Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Kim, Jul 10, 2003.

  1. Kim

    Kim New Member

    I've done much research on Atkins and much research on seratonin and depression. I would like to lose 5 pounds, keep my energy (actually GET some energy) and not mess up my brain chemistry more than it is now. I'm on an antidepressant (remeron) and I've played with Atkins. My only concern is that a diet so low in carbs might deplete my seratonin (I know seratonin is in turkey, dairy, etc) but there is also a CARB component to raising seratonin, that's why people who are depressed crave carbs, some research says.

    I'm talking about clinical depression, brain chemistry disorder, not just feeling down in the dumps and blue. Of course, as we all know, most doctors are clueless regarding nutrition so I'm not even going there with my neurologist or psychopharmacist.

    Any comments?

  2. jadibeler

    jadibeler New Member

    Well, when I read the strict diet for controlling the Hg, which one has to do to go on guai, it seems to be totally carb & sugar free. The liberal Hg diet lets you have a some.

    Many here seem to be on the Hg diet and I'm about to go on it. It can't be harmful if so many here are doing it. (Hg, not specifically Atkins)

  3. dd

    dd New Member

    I've been on the Atkin's Diet for almost 2 years now. I went on it to control my Hypoglycemia and it has been wonderful for me. I have not only lost weight...which I needed to anyway...but I no longer have the ups and downs with glucose levels.

    I have a history of clinical depression and have actually felt better since going on this diet...don't know if it's related to the diet or not but I haven't experienced any depression.

    Good Luck,

  4. AnnetteP

    AnnetteP New Member

    I've found that eating low carb is the best way for me to live. I feel better emotionally as well as physically, and I have suffered with depression for as long as I can remember. I've tried prozac and it didn't help me nearly as well as fish oil capsules have. If I run out of fish oil I can feel the difference, but once I get back on them, they are quick work. There is an article in the library here about fish oil...I will post it if I find it. Also, not all fish oil is created equally. The oil can spoil rather quickly so its best to find one with a good coating, one that won't dissolve before it gets deep in your system (otherwise you will burp it and its nasty). My favorite is by metagenics and is caled epa/dha.

    Hope this helps,
  5. AnnetteP

    AnnetteP New Member

    Article Entitled: Research Indicates EPA Successfully Treats Depression

    10-23-2002 Daily supplements of an omega-3 fatty acid found in fish and fish oil may help alleviate the symptoms of depression in patients who do not respond to standard antidepressant medications, new research findings suggest.
    Dr. Malcolm Peet of the Swallownest Court Hospital in Sheffield, England and his colleague found that depressed patients who received a daily dose of 1 gram of an omega-3 fatty acid for 12 weeks experienced a decrease in their symptoms, such as sadness, anxiety and sleeping problems.

    The only side effect of the treatment appeared to be gastrointestinal problems, which Peet and his co-author Dr. David F. Horrobin of Laxdale Research, Ltd. in Stirling, Scotland, deemed "mild."

    All of the patients had tried other medications before enrolling in the current study, including selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac and medications from an older family of drugs called tricyclic antidepressants. Both types of drug are considered standard treatments for depression.

    This is not the first study to suggest that omega-3 fatty acids, such as the form of eicosapenaenoic acid (EPA) used in this report, may help patients with psychiatric disorders. Previous researchers have suggested that the balance of omega-3 fatty acids in the brain may become skewed in people with depression, and earlier studies have shown that fish oil supplements can help alleviate the symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, or manic depression.

    In addition, researchers have found that people who are depressed, as well as those diagnosed with cardiovascular diseases and other conditions associated with depression, have relatively low levels of omega-3 fatty acids in their blood.


    Authors: Malcolm Peet, MB, ChB, FRCPsych; David F. Horrobin, DPhil, BM, BCh


    In depressed patients, low blood levels of eicosapentaenoic [EPA - an omega-3 fatty acid--found in fish and fish oil] acid are seen. We tested the antidepressive effect of ethyl-eicosapentaenoate in these patients.


    We included 70 patients with persistant depression despite ongoing treatment with an adequate dose of a standard antidepressant. Patients were randomized on a double-blind basis to placebo or ethyl-eicosapentaenoate at dosages of 1, 2, or 4 g/d for 12 weeks in addition to unchanged background medication. Patients underwent assessment using the 17-item Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, the Montgomery-Asberg Depression Rating Scale, and the Beck Depression Inventory.


    Forty-six (88%) of 52 patients receiving ethyl-eicosapentaenoate and 14 (78%) of 18 patients receiving placebo completed the 12-week study with no serious adverse events. The 1-g/d group showed a significantly better outcome than the placebo group on all 3 rating scales. In the intention-to-treat group, 5 (29%) of 17 patients receiving placebo and 9 (53%) of 17 patients receiving 1 g/d of ethyl-eicosapentaenoate achieved a 50% reduction on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale score. In the per-protocol group, the corresponding figures were 3 (25%) of 12 patients for placebo and 9 (69%) of 13 patients for the 1-g/d group. The 2-g/d group showed little evidence of efficacy, whereas the 4-g/d group showed nonsignificant trends toward improvement. All of the individual items on all 3 rating scales improved with the 1-g/d dosage of ethyl-eicosapentaenoate vs placebo, with strong beneficial effects on items rating depression, anxiety, sleep, lassitude, libido, and suicidality.


    Treatment with ethyl-eicosapentaenoate at a dosage of 1 g/d was effective in treating depression in patients who remained depressed despite adequate standard therapy.

    Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2002;59:913-919
  6. ssMarilyn

    ssMarilyn New Member

    I've eaten Atkins-style since the 70's, but have occasional bouts where I "jump off" the wagon. I don't fall off, I jump off. When I do jump off and turn to carbs, especially sweets, I get really bummed out, discouraged, testy, moody, tired, etc... When I go back to Atkins, within 3 days or so I am alert, energetic and happy. I still have mood swings, from PMS and perimenopause, but even those aren't as bad as they would be if I was ingesting all the carbs I used to. Healthy carbs won't hurt you, and those are in vegy's and fruits, it's the bad carbs, the glazed donuts, white bread, candy, pretzels, etc...those are the bad carbs. Try the Sommers diet, she's quite similar to Atkins, but incorporates fruit in right from the start, plus she teaches us what food to eat together, and what foods are to be eaten alone. You need to trust in nature more, and man less. Nature and God have provided us with a bounty of wonderful natural foods, so enjoy them! Just don't trust the man-made foods full of chemicals and fillers.

    I forgot to ask if you take selenium? Selenium is nature's anti-depressant. I suffered frum dysthymic depression since my teens, (almost 40 years) and it disappeared about 2 weeks after taking 200 mcg's of selenium daily.

    Marilyn :)
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  7. tansy

    tansy New Member

    are both on the Atkins diet. As a result they no longer have mood swings and don't suffer periods when they feel depressed.

    I believe low carb diets suit most of us, there are a few for whom threy're less suitable in which case the metabolic typing, as described by Klutzo, will no doubt help to identify the right food group balance.


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  8. Kim

    Kim New Member

    SSM, yep, I do selenium (I'd hate to tell you all the supplements I do.

    Fish oil, Flax oil, borage oil - every day

    I've mainly eaten organic, whole foods and with Atkins, I was a bit scared to do cheese, beef, etc. but I did them and my cholestrol didn't move!!!! My HDL stayed around 80, my LDL stayed at about 70 and my triglicerides stated in the 40s. That was about a month with modified Atkins.

    Now (Marilyn, you'll love this) I'm addicted to Atkins bars! They're better than candy.

    So, starting tomorrow, I'm going to try two weeks of less than 60 net carbs and see how that works. I'd really like to get rid of this 5 pounds just to prove that I can lose weight. Excess weight is new to me, I've always had to try to gain weight.

    Thank you all so much. You are all so supportive. God bless each of you.

  9. ssMarilyn

    ssMarilyn New Member

    I've never tried them, but will pick one up. They're kind of expensive aren't they?

    Marilyn :)
  10. dsames

    dsames New Member

    I just went off the Atkins diet, after 4 weeks, lost 10 lbs during the induction phase. I didn't notice it causing depression, but I did have GI problems, All the salads really set my IBS off, After 3 weeks, I am beginning to get it straightened out.
    Had to see Dr. as my Levsin was not working anymore, he put me on Bentyl to stop the diarehhea (sp) and the horrific abdominal cramps and also asked me why I would do a foolish thing like that, referring to going on the Atkins diet.

    He also mentioned that there are some reports out that indicate Flax oil causes gastrointestinal problems.
    Has anyone heard about that. Anyway I'm off the flax oil, because I never want to have a flare up of IBS like the one I just had.
    Good luck with your diet.
  11. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    Kim - I am SO jealous of your great lipid numbers! Want to take an average? The High protein diet has lowered my triglycerids a great deal, but has raised my LDL to a very dangerous place. The diet has improved my mood, by taking away all those sugar rollercoaster rides.

    Marilyn - Yes, the bars are expensive, but the chocolate fudge brownie ones are so good, they make you feel like you are getting away with something.

    Shirley - I had the most awful cramping and diarreha both times I tried to take even a tiny amt. (1/8 tsp.) of flaxseed oil. It went on for 24 hrs. both times, so I gave up. Various people tried to tell me I must have a leaky gut problem, but I had already been thoroughly treated for that. I think some of us just have an intolerance to some of these things. My husband is now taking it with no problems. If you do try it, take a teensy-weensy dose at first, and stay near a bathroom. You might also try taking a fat digesting enzyme like lipase or pancreatin with it....I never thought of that at the time but it makes sense.

  12. lucky

    lucky New Member

    I am sure that my doctor would have reacted the same way as yours to the Atkins diet. If the American Heart Association has issued a warning that it poses a health risk, I am sure that they know what they are talking about.
    Kind regards, Lucky
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  13. ssMarilyn

    ssMarilyn New Member

    The American Heart Association's stand on the Atkins diet is you will see in the New England Journal of Medicine that they now agree with Dr. Atkins and the AHA was wrong. About 3 weeks ago this was all over the national news that Dr. Atkins was right all along and the other studies done were inaccurate and are now in the garbage cans.

    Marilyn :)
  14. AnnetteP

    AnnetteP New Member

    she kept telling me how great I looked and she was amazed at my lab results: good cholesterol was up, bad cholesterol was down, and hypoglycemia was gone.

    This was the first time since I was 16 (I'm now 39) that I didn't have hypoglycemia, and the first time since my 20's that my lipid panel was flawless! Of course, my dr. is integrative and goes against the mainstream way of thinking, unlike my primary, but then again she is the ONLY one who has affected a positive change in so profound that my lupus is in remission, my IBS is gone, my depression is gone, my energy is up, my anxiety is a thing of the past, etc. My primary argued diet with me once before, but 1: he never cured anything I had and 2: he never got my lab values where they are now.

    Knowing what I know now, after three years of reading and researching, I'm of the mind that if any medical association backs something, I'm gonna go the other way! Call me a rebel, but again I point to the multivitamin issue: for years they have said the SAD (standard american diet) was nutritionaly adequate and that supplementing it with vitamins and minerals wasn't necessary. Within the past year they have changed their position on this and now recommend a multi. What's next? I'm not going to wait for them to change their minds on something I know to be true, before I incorporate it into my routine.

  15. ChiaPet

    ChiaPet New Member

    correctly "Dateline" said that people who were on the Atkins diets cholesterol was lowered.

    I was on the Atkins diet for 3 years and lost a lot of weight.But my FMS or depression hadnt improved and it didnt give me a whole bunch of energy like everyone else here.

    I let myself eat grains and potatoes now but I dont eat sugar.I love those fifty/50 chocolate bars.I know they are for diabetics but it works for Atkins as well.I didnt like those Advantage bars.They are over priced and not that apetizing.Also is great is Breyers No sugar added Neopolotin ice cream.It tastes like the real thing.

    I might go completely carb free again somewhere down the line.But it gets really boring.
  16. ssMarilyn

    ssMarilyn New Member

    Annette, congratulations on improving your health so much! You must be absolutely thrilled! It just seems common sense that if we eat the foods God provided for us, we'd be alright.

    ChiaPet, you're right about the Dateline show. I don't recall when it was, but the Atkins diet was all over the tv and papers a little while back. I can't remember the name of the guy on Dateline that did the ATkins story, but he's a pretty funny guy and cute too.(I hope it's the one I'm thinking of) He talked about eating big, thick steaks and butter, etc.. Even my husband is now conceding.

    Marilyn :)
  17. lucky

    lucky New Member

    for yet another note on the Atkins diet. However, I do not understand why it is so important on how accepted this diet is. I am not one to follow a diet which my gut feelings tell me that the balance is not right and unhealthy, even if I have to loose a few pounds. Every Heart and Stroke organization here or the U.S. or Europe warn of high cholestrol foods, and again, I just read the opposite of your message a few days ago.
    Pls. no more Dr. Atkins, I shudder if I had to eat bacon and eggs in the morning.

    Kind regards, Lucky

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  18. dmflynn8

    dmflynn8 New Member

    I tried Atkins for 2 weeks---I lost 3 lbs. the first week and actually felt my energy level rise. I had no carb cravings after the first week. I had to stop, as I was found to have a stomach polyp and acid reflux during an endoscopy I had scheduled during this time. I had to go back on a low-fat diet. But I could definitely feel my metabolism speed up. It just requires a lot of fat in the diet to keep up the burning up of the carbs for the first couple of months. Good Luck---Atkins does work---and I was a major skeptic.
  19. ssMarilyn

    ssMarilyn New Member

    This is a thread about Atkins...that's why we're talking about it so much. :) If you don't like it, don't eat it....plain and simple. :)

    Marilyn :)
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  20. AnnetteP

    AnnetteP New Member

    religion and politics and some people get bent out of shape if others don't agree with them. Your health is in your make your own choices...some good some bad...but do NOT start belittling others because their views are not shared by you.

    Nuff said,