Best Natural Replacement for Valium Xanax or Ativan

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia and ME & Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' started by Elisa, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    Hi All,

    When thing go poorly with this DD my anxiety skyrockets - I feel huge fear...

    So my question is what works best for you...You can just type your favotite, like GABA or l-theanine and dose.

    This could help a lot!

    God Bless,

    Elisabeth

  2. mbofov

    mbofov Active Member

    l-theanine is very good - it helps the brain produce GABA and crosses the blood-brain barrier more easily than GABA. Start with 100 mg., go up to 200 if needed.

    Also, someone just e-mailed me today about magnolia bark. It's supposed to be very good for stress and anxiety. I've never taken it, but it's an ingredient in CortiSlim, which my sister took, and she liked the way it made her feel - calmer, but not drugged. I know there are some concerns about safety, but here's an article re that:
    http://www.itmonline.org/arts/magsafe.htm -

    One last thing - have you had your cortisol levels checked? If they're high, you'll have a lot more anxiety. The adrenal stress index test uses 4 saliva samples taken during a 24-hour period to check how your cortisol levels fluctuate. I think everyone on this board should have this test done. My levels were rather high a few years ago, I was given Seriphos (phosphorylated serine) to take, and it helped enormously. However, you shouldn't take Seriphos if your levels are low, they may go too low. Any doctor or naturopath can order this test. I just think it's more accurate and gives more information than a simple blood test.

    Mary
  3. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    I will try higher doses of l-theanine - I tried 50 mg and it has helped - but I need more help.

    God Bless you Mary - I am so grateful for your help.

    I feel so much fear/terror - not like my normal anxiety...that I am beside myself just crying my eyes out - just so so frustrated.

    My thyroid test (low TSH .10) were extremely abnornal twice than went way up (normal-high) and no specialist seems to want to work with me.

    So I am so so appreciative of your kindness and suggestions.

    God Bless,

    Elisabeth
    [This Message was Edited on 09/25/2008]
  4. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    THANKS...

    You're the second for l-theanine - good to know.

    Thanks so much for your imput and help!!!!

    God Bless,

    Elisabeth
  5. tansy

    tansy New Member

    Hi Elisabeth

    I found l theanine a godsend; unlike meds for anxiety etc it increased my mental alertness whilst inducing a feeling of calm. I used it to treat my neuropathic pain and sleep deprivation originally so was delighted to experience these benefits.

    The supp I took was 100mg; I would take one or two several times during the day according to what I felt I needed; at night I would take 200mg.

    I could take l theanine whenever I felt I needed it since there was no rebound or withdrawal Sx.

    Good luck if you decide to try it.

    tc, Tansy
  6. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    Hi Tansy,

    This is really great to hear. The best news today...three votes for l-theanine.

    I think I have been taking too low of a dose (50 mg or less) - I will slowly increase to see how it goes.

    Thanks so much for helping me today - I am smiling and thankful!!!!

    God Bless,

    Elisabeth
  7. mbofov

    mbofov Active Member

    My TSH is also low (around 0.18). My doctor just recently ordered an MRI of my brain to check my pituitary and nothing showed up. She also had more blood work done which also checked out okay. But my regular thyroid tests are on the low side, even though I'm taking 120 mg. of Armour thyroid.

    I don't know if you saw Wolverine's current post about methylation and the autonomic nervous system but you might want to take a look at it. The autonomic nervous system regulates TSH. So you (and I) and probably many here have a dysfunctional autonomic nervous system, and the problem may lie in malfunctioning methylation.

    I've been off and on Rich's protocol for a little over a year, and my CFIDS crashes have gotten lighter, but I need to do more - I still crash way too easily and get sick way too easily. But I've had to stop the protocol too many times and probably would have made more progress if I could have kept at it.

    So you may want to investigate the methylation protocol, if you haven't already. It might be the key and I'm not at all surprised if most docs know nothing about this.

    Mary
  8. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    Hi Mary,

    Wonderful and helpful info - thanks!!!!

    I do take B12 shots twice a week - but have problems with the tinest amount of folate...

    What do you take of the methylation supplements?

    I always think of B12 and folate as the batman and robin of methylation - but I know there are other constituents. I have done some of Dr Amy's program for over a year - mainly the foundation supplements and B12.

    I do agree that my ANS is effected - I have been told this a number of times - actually since I was young. I was a fainter starting at age 3-4 yrs.

    Thanks again for your kindness,

    Elisabeth

  9. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    Hi All,

    I took a full 100 mgs of l-theanine and it worked - my severe anxiety went down to normal!!!!

    Thanks so so much - what a gift!

    God Bless,

    Elisabeth
  10. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    Here's an article:

    New Study Shows Tea (L-Theanine) Boosts the Body's Defenses

    http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4536/t/CFIDS_FM

  11. tansy

    tansy New Member

    and thanks for adding that important additional info on l theanine to this thread so others can see it.

    tc, Tansy
  12. mlrarr

    mlrarr New Member

    I just posted before reading yours. I have been having anxiety like crazy!! I feel like something bad is going to happen at anytime!!
    Im going out to the health food store and getting L-theanine!!
    Thanks
    Melinda
  13. Gumbo

    Gumbo New Member

    I would like to read the article, but I can't get it to come up. Any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Jenny
  14. simonedb

    simonedb Member

    mmuneSupport.com

    04-23-2003


    A new study finds that tea boosts the body's defenses against infection and contains a substance that might be turned into a drug to protect against disease, researchers say. Coffee does not have the same effect, they say.
    A component in tea was found in laboratory experiments to prime the immune system to attack invading bacteria, viruses and fungi, according to a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences released Monday.

    A second experiment, using human volunteers, showed that immune system blood cells from tea drinkers responded five times faster to germs than did the blood cells of coffee drinkers.

    "We worked out the molecular aspects of this tea component in the test tube and then tested it on a small number of people to see if it actually worked in human beings," said Dr. Jack F. Bukowski, a researcher at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston and Harvard Medical School. The results, he said, gave clear proof that five cups of tea a day sharpened the body's disease defenses.

    Penny Kris-Etherton, a nutrition specialist at Penn State University, a nutrition expert, said Bukowski's study adds to a growing body of evidence that tea is an effective disease fighter.

    "This is potentially a very significant finding," she said. "We're seeing multiple benefits from tea."

    But she said the work needs to be confirmed in a much larger study, involving more people.

    In the study, Bukowski and his co-authors isolated from ordinary black tea a substance called L-theanine.

    Bukowski said L-theanine is broken down in the liver to ethylamine, a molecule that primes the response of an immune system element called the gamma-delta T cell.

    "We know from other studies that these gamma-delta T cells in the blood are the first line of defense against many types of bacteria, viral, fungal and parasitic infections," he said. "They even have some anti-tumor activity."

    The T cells prompt the secretion of interferon, a key part of the body's chemical defense against infection, Bukowski said.

    "We know from mouse studies that if you boost this part of the immune system it can protect against infection," he said.

    To further test the finding, the researchers had 11 volunteers drink five cups a day of tea, and 10 others drink coffee. Before the test began, they drew blood samples from all 21 test subjects.

    After four weeks, they took more blood from the tea drinkers and then exposed that blood to the bacteria called E-coli. Bukowski said the immune cells in the specimens secreted five times more interferon than did blood cells from the same subjects before the weeks of tea drinking. Blood tests and bacteria challenges showed there was no change in the interferon levels of the coffee drinkers, he said.

    Bukowski said it may be possible to further isolate and refine L-theanine from tea and use that as a drug to boost the infection defense of the body.

    The health effects of tea have been extensively studied. It has been linked to lower heart disease and cancer risk through the action of flavonoids, a type of antioxidant. Other studies have linked tea to helping combat osteoporosis, the brittle bone disease, and to relieving some allergy symptoms.

    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: www.pnas.org


  15. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    supplementation can really help with anxiety/ depression etc...maybe worth a go...?
    Sorry about the green icon...I just wanted to see what it does....it looks very much like I feel right now! LOL Shell :)
  16. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

  17. mbofov

    mbofov Active Member

    That is fantastic - I'm so glad the l-theanine worked so well for you! And it's safe, no bad side effects, I'm so glad it's out there. And your temperature went down too - that is amazing. I hadn't been aware of l-theanine's benefits for the immune system, but am not too surprised.

    Re the methylation supplements: When I'm on the protocol, every other day I take 1/4 tablet each of the folapro and IntrinsiB12, also recently added 1/4 tablet of the Neurological Health Formula. But I've been sick so much this summer, that I just haven't been able to stand detoxing on top of it. But just took some meth. supplements this morning.

    Also, I do B12 shots (5,000 mcg. of hydroxocobalamin) two to three times a week.

    I also take molybdenum, I think that helps with the detox.

    Interesting that you've had ANS symptoms since you were very little. It will be very interesting to see what continuing use of l-theanine may do for you -- keep us posted!

    Mary
  18. cfsgeorge

    cfsgeorge New Member

    I've found that supplementing with 200mg magnesium glycinate every 4-5hours works well for my CFS anxiety. I also use l-theanine, valerian root, and 5-htp.
  19. greatgran

    greatgran Member

    Some good suggestions, if you try any and they work please let me know. I sure can relate to the huge FEAR and anxiety, 24/7.

    Don't mean to discourage you as this was not your question but I haven't found a natural replacement that worked and would I love to but for now sticking with xanax.

    Good Luck and Please let me know if you find a good natural replacement.

    Hugs,
    gg
  20. kbak

    kbak Member

    Hi,
    The one multi supplement that I have found that really works extremely well is from futurebiotics called "chill pill". We just recently went through the week from hell and I needed something that would calm my anxiety level fairly fast. My health food store recommened chill pill. It worked so much better than anything else I've ever used. Hope this helps.

    Take Care,
    kbak