CFS: Experiences Taking Hawthorn

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Forebearance, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    What has been your experience so far with taking hawthorn in any form?

    What have been the good effects, if any?

    What have been the bad effects, if any?

    What dose of what hawthorn product is right for you?

  2. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    Hi, everyone,

    I decided to approach hawthorn very cautiously. I began by drinking some Celestial Seasonings Sleepytime tea. It just has a few hawthorn berries in it. It is not meant to be medicinal. Nothing bad happened.

    So I moved on to tea made of pure hawthorn berries. From my research I know that hawthorn berries contain the same active substances as the leaves and flowers, in smaller amounts. So they are the weakest form of hawthorn.

    I began by slowly sipping half a cup of the tea. I could feel it kick in as I drank it. Duuuuude! (That's my high school stoner impression) lol

    It made my mind and eyesight clearer and sharper. And my sense of smell and hearing, too. I felt more circulation in my hands and feet. It felt good. I also felt pleasantly sleepy.

    But then I also felt slightly dizzy. I'm not going to take this before driving, that's for sure. I had ringing in my ears. And later on, my stomach hurt.

    I remember from Dr. Cheney's DVD lecture that he decreased his patients' dosage of hawthorn if it bothered their stomachs. So I'm going to try to find a dose that gives me the good effects without the bad side effects.

    Tonight I made a cup of tea and took a spoonful of it. That was better. Still got a stomach ache, but it hasn't lasted too long and wasn't as bad. I wonder if I will get used to hawthorn in time.

    A good effect: today I had more energy. I felt like cleaning the kitchen, which is unusual for me. I am feeling positive about hawthorn in general.

    Yes, I realize I am more sensitive to drugs/herbs than most people. :) I make a good canary to try new things.

  3. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I take Enzymatic brand hawthorn leaf and flower. Dr. Cheney said not to use the berries.

    I take 1 a day. Haven't noticed anything specific at that dose.

    Good luck.

  4. Slayadragon

    Slayadragon New Member

    That's good to hear. Maybe there's something to this stuff.

    Did you have something in your stomach when you drank the tea?

  5. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    CherylSue -- I was going to work up to the leaves & flowers, if I can. Wow, you haven't felt anything? That is good, I think. You could probably take it for a long time and help your heart a lot.

    Lisa -- I drank the tea on a fairly empty stomach. I will try taking it on a full stomach, or maybe with some peppermint tea. Peppermint is supposed to be good for stomach aches. I wonder if anyone has figured out something that counteracts hawthorn's stomach hurting properties.

    [This Message was Edited on 02/24/2007]
  6. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    Hi everyone!

    After my initial overdose on hawthorn berry tea, I began over with one spoonful of tea a day. That worked well. My stomach got used to it. I didn't feel dizzy, just sleepy.

    After a while I was used to that amount with no stomach cramps, so I increased to 2 spoonfuls of tea a day.

    Yesterday I increased my dose to 3 spoonfuls of tea a day.

    I do have hope now that some day I will be able to work up to taking a tiny piece of the pill that is the "real stuff" that has been studied. I just have to begin every new thing very gradually.

    My heart feels SO much better! It almost never hurts now, and when it does, the feeling is much milder. I really feel like hawthorn has helped my heart.

  7. springrose22

    springrose22 New Member

    What do you mean your heart feels better now? You say your heart was hurting. Did you have any palpitations? Were you diagnosed with a specific heart problem? I have high BP and I think I read somewhere that hawthorne was good for that. Have been thinking about taking it. Occasionally, I get palpitations, too. Marie
  8. spacee

    spacee Member

    I am working through Cheney's DVD's now. Transcribing (as much as possible) the first one now. I need something to take to these docs who, by nature of the name of the DD, think I have "a little chronic fatigue" and want to "fix it"/

    Anyway hope to get to the treatment part this week. I have significant heart problems. So, I have started the D-Ribose. It has become one the "can't live without" supplements. It helps the flutters and the sob in the am and the feeling of heaviness in my chest.

    So thanks for posting! Wishing you well!


    Anyone who reads this would probably suggest that I see a cardiologist. I think I am headed that way. I just need to watch the DVD's first and try to figure out if I can find one in this rural area or go to Orlando. I find that getting a good doc is half the battle.

  9. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    Hi, Marie!

    Sorry I didn't see your post right away!

    I have not had palpitations. When I said my heart was hurting, I meant that it felt like a muscle that was overtaxed and cramping a bit. I could feel an achey feeling in my heart, and it radiated down my left arm and up into the left side of my neck.

    I had an impedance cardiogram done, and it showed that my heart is not pumping a lot in terms of volume. So you could say it's weak, and somewhat impaired. It's doing exactly what Dr. Cheney described on his DVD. It's weak and uncoordinated and is trying its best to get the blood out there.

    I'll bump the research thread on hawthorn for you. It is recommended for a number of different heart conditions, apparently.

    Hi, Spacee!

    Oh yeah, the treatment part is great! I'm a big fan of D-ribose, also. Although, it takes three scoops a day for me to feel an effect from it.

    I like Dr. Cheney's suggestion to find a cardiologist that specializes in women's hearts. The heart problem that CFS patients have is diastolic dysfunction, which happens mainly to women and wasn't even figured out until recently. (Can you believe it?) So a regular, especially an older, cardiologist might be unhelpful.

    The one I saw was singularly unhelpful and ignorant. I couldn't even see myself working with him. But there is ONE women's heart specialist in my town, so I may see her at some point.

    Lisa, here's this thread again!


  10. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I take Enzymatic Therapy Brand Hawthorn (leaf and flower) capsule once a day. I haven't noticed anything, good or bad, but will continue to take it.


  11. ephemera

    ephemera New Member

    I've been taking Hawthorn Extract for 1.5 yrs now ever since my accupuncturist recommended it for my keeping my cholesterol under control.

    I no longer see the accupuncturist for needles, but do continue with the Hawthorn & other Chinese herbs she recommended.

    I take 6 100mg pills daily.
  12. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    Hey, Spacee, that is great to hear! I hope you don't have the bad side effects. Some people, like CherylSue, don't get any.

    I'm glad you stopped the D-ribose for a while since it was bothering you so much! What it did to you sounded really uncomfortable.

    Thank you for the report, ephemera! Did it affect your cholesterol level? It sounds like you can tolerate hawthorn with no problem.

    I have more good effects to add to my list! My abdomen is less bloated, and my hair isn't falling out as much. Plus, it seems to increase blood circulation to my private parts, which is always a good thing. I'm amazed at how many things are affected by circulation.


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