****CFS/FM/MS et al AND THE MYCOPLASMA (shocking rpt)*****

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Jeanne-in-Canada, Jul 30, 2005.

  1. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    This is big and I'm still reading it, so I'll give it in sections.



    (Plus other health disorders, including auto-immune disorders)
    by: Scott, Donald W., M.Sc.

    Donald Scott is a retired high school teacher and university professor who is currently president of the Common Cause Medical Research Foundation and adjunct professor of the Institute of Molecular Medicine. He has extensively researched neurosystemic degenerative diseases over the past five years and has authored many documents on the relationship between degenerative diseases and a pathogenic mycoplasma called Mycoplasma fermentans. His research is based upon solid government evidence. Donald Scott is a veteran of WWII and was awarded the North Atlantic Star, the Burma Star with Clasp, the 1939-1945 Volunteer Service Medal and the Victory Medal.


    A COMMON PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA There are 200 species of mycoplasmas. Most are innocuous and do no harm; only four or five are pathogenic. The Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) probably comes from the nucleus of the brucellosis bacteria. This disease agent is not a bacteria, and not a virus; it is a mutated form of the brucellosis bacteria, mutated with a visna virus, from which the mycoplasma, is extracted. Dr. Maurice Hilleman, chief virologist for the pharmaceutical company of Merck, Sharp and Dohme, stated that this disease agent is now carried by everybody in North America and possibly most people throughout the world. The mycoplasma used to be very innocuous. Only one person out of 500,000 would get multiple sclerosis; one out of 300,000 would develop Alzheimer's; one out of 1,000,000 would develop Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Before the early 1980's, nobody ever died of AIDS because it didn't exist. The mycoplasma is also the disease agent in AIDS, and I have all the documentation to prove it.

    BIOWARFARE RESEARCH Between 1942 and the present time, biological warfare research has resulted in a more deadly and infectious form of the mycoplasma. They extracted this mycoplasma from the brucellosis bacteria, weaponized it and actually reduced the disease to a crystalline form. According to Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, one of America's top, top researchers, this disease agent, the mycoplasma, causes among other things, AIDS, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's. The mycoplasma enters into the individual cells of the body depending upon your genetic predisposition. You may develop neurological diseases if the pathogen destroys certain cells in your brain, or you may develop Crohn's colitis if the pathogen invades and destroys cells in the lower bowel. Once it gets into the cell, it can lie there doing nothing sometimes for 10, 20 or 30 years, but if a trauma occurs like an accident, or a vaccination that doesn't take, the mycoplasma can become triggered. Because it is only the DNA particle of the bacteria, it doesn't have any organelles to process its own nutrients, so it grows by uptaking preformed sterols from its host cell, literally kills the cell, and the cell ruptures and what is left gets dumped into the blood stream.

    DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE My conclusions are entirely based upon official documents: 80% are United States or Canadian official government documents, and 20% are articles from peer-reviewed journals, such as the Journal of the American Medical Association, The New England Journal of Medicine, and The Canadian Medical Association Journal. The journal articles and government documents complement each other. We also have a document from Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo which names the mycoplasma as a cause of cancer. Dr. Charles Engel who is with the National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, stated at an NIH meeting on February 7, 2000, "I am now of the view that the probable cause of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and fibromyalgia is the mycoplasma".
  2. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    BIOLOGICAL WARFARE RESEARCH AGREEMENT All the countries at war were experimenting with biological weapons. In 1942, the governments of the United States, Canada and Great Britain entered into a secret agreement to create two types of biological weapons (one that would kill and one that was disabling) for use in the war against Germany and Japan, who were also developing biological weapons. They primarily focused on brucellosis, and they began to weaponize the brucellosis bacteria.

    CRYSTALLINE BRUCELLOSIS In a genuine U.S. Senate Study unclassified on February 24, 1977, the title page of this government record reports that George Merck, of the pharmaceutical company, Merck, Sharp and Dohme (which now makes cures for diseases they at one time created), in 1946, reported to the Secretary of War in the United States that his researchers had produced in isolation for the first time, a crystalline bacterial toxin extracted from brucellosis bacteria. The bacterial toxin could be removed in crystalline form and delivered by other vectors (in nature they are delivered within the bacteria). But the factor that is working in the brucellosis is the mycoplasma. Brucellosis is a disease agent that doesn't kill people; it disables them. But they found that if they had mycoplasma at a certain strength, actually ten to the tenth power, it would develop into AIDS, and the person would die from it within a reasonable period of time because it could bypass our natural human defences. If it was 108, the person would manifest with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia. If it was 107, they would present as wasting; they wouldn't die, and they wouldn't be disabled, but they would not be that interested in life, they would waste away (ref. Dr. Donald MacArthur of the Pentagon appearing before a Congressional Committee, June 9, 1969, Department of Defence Appropriations, p.114, 129). Most of us have never heard of brucellosis because it largely disappeared when they began pasteurizing milk, which was the carrier. One salt shaker of this pure disease in a crystalline form could sicken the entire population of Canada. It is absolutely deadly, not in terms of killing the body, but in terms of disabling the body. The advantage of this crystalline disease agent is that it does not show up in blood and tissue tests because the bacteria has disappeared and only the pure disease agent remains. So the doctor thinks that it's all in your head.

    CRYSTALLINE BRUCELLOSIS AND MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS About three years ago in Rochester, New York, a gentleman gave me a document and told me, "I was in the U.S. Army, and I was trained in bacteriological warfare. We were handling a bomb filled with brucellosis, only it wasn't brucellosis; it was a brucellosis toxin in crystalline form. We were spraying it on the Chinese and North Koreans." He showed me his certificate listing his training in chemical, biological, and radiological warfare. Then he showed me 16 pages of documents given to him by the U.S. military when he was discharged from the service. It linked brucellosis with multiple sclerosis and stated: "Veterans with multiple sclerosis, a kind of creeping paralysis developing to a degree of 10% or more disability within two years after separation from active service may be presumed to be service-connected for disability compensation. Compensation is payable to eligible veterans whose disabilities are due to service." In other words, "If you become ill with multiple sclerosis, it is because you were handling this brucellosis and we will give you a pension. Don't go raising any fuss about it." The government of the United States, in this official document revealed evidence of the cause of multiple sclerosis, but they didn't make it known to the public, or to your doctor. In a 1958 report, Drs. Kyger and Haden suggest "?the possibility that multiple sclerosis might be a central nervous system manifestation of chronic brucellosis". Testing approximately 113 MS patients, they found that almost 95% also tested positive for brucellosis. We have a document from a medical journal which concludes that one out of 500 people who had brucellosis would develop what they called neurobrucellosis, in other words, brucellosis in the brain which settles in the lateral ventricles where the disease multiple sclerosis is basically located.

    CONTAMINATION OF CAMP DETRICK LAB WORKERS A report from the New England Journal of Medicine, 1948, Vol.236, p.741 called "Acute Brucellosis Among Laboratory Workers" shows us how actively dangerous this agent is. The laboratory workers were from Camp Detrick, Frederick, Maryland where they were developing biological weapons. Even though these laboratory workers had been vaccinated, wore rubberized suits and masks, and worked through holes in the compartment, many of them came down with this awful disease because it is so absolutely and terrifyingly infectious. The article was written by Lt. Calderone Howell, Marine Corps, Captain Edward Miller, Marine Corps, Lt. Emily Kelly, United States Naval Reserve and Captain Henry Bookman. They were all military personnel engaged in making the disease agent brucellosis into a more effective biological weapon.
  3. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member



    Documented evidence proves that the biological weapons they were developing were tested on the public in various communities without their knowledge or consent. The government knew that crystalline brucellosis would cause disease in humans. Now they needed to determine how it spread, and the best way to disperse it. They tested dispersal methods for Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis at Dugway Proving Ground, Utah, June and September 1952. Probably, 100% of us now are infected with Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis. (ref. p.135, table 4 of Special Virus Cancer Program: Progress Report 8) . Another government document recommended the genesis of open air vulnerability tests, and covert research and development programs to be conducted by the army and supported by the Central Intelligence Agency. At that time, the government of Canada was asked by the government of the United States to cooperate in testing weaponized brucellosis, and Canada cooperated fully with the government of the United States. They wanted to determine (i) if mosquitoes will carry the disease and (ii) if the air will carry it. A government report stated that "?open air testing of infectious biological agents is considered essential to an ultimate understanding of biological warfare potentialities because of the many unknown factors affecting the degradation of micro-organisms in the atmosphere".


    A report from The New England Journal of Medicine, August 22, 1957, p.362 reveals that one of the first outbreaks of chronic fatigue syndrome was in Punta Gorda, Florida, back in 1957. It was a strange coincidence that a week before these people came down with chronic fatigue syndrome, there was a huge influx of mosquitoes. The National Institutes of Health claimed that the mosquitoes came from a forest fire 30 miles away. When the forest fire broke out, the mosquitoes all said, "Well, let's go over to Punta Gorda - there will be a bunch of people over there, we can have a picnic, and then we will go home". The truth is that those mosquitoes were infected in Canada by Dr. J.B. Reed at Queen's University. They were bred in Belleville, Ontario, and taken down and released in Punta Gorda. Within a week, the first five cases ever of chronic fatigue syndrome were reported to the local clinic in Punta Gorda, and it continued until finally 450 people were ill with the disease.

    TESTING BRUCELLOSIS VIA MOSQUITO VECTOR IN ONTARIO The government of Canada established the Dominion Parasite Laboratory in Belleville, Ontario, and raised 100 million mosquitoes a month which were shipped to Queen's University and certain other facilities to be infected with this disease agent. The mosquitoes were then let loose in certain communities in the middle of the night so they could determine how many people would become ill with chronic fatigue syndrome, or fibromyalgia, which was the first disease to show. One of the communities they tested it on was the St. Lawrence Seaway valley all the way from Kingston to Cornwall in 1984. They let out absolutely hundreds of millions of infected mosquitoes. Over 700 people in the next four or five weeks developed myalgic encephalomyelitis, or chronic fatigue syndrome.

    It has been noted by frustrated doctors, and FM/CFS support groups that the Ottawa area has a remarkably high incidence the these syndromes. I started symptoms only a year after I moved here.

  4. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member



    Information is not generally available about this agent, because first of all, the mycoplasma is such an infinitely small disease agent. A hundred years ago certain medical theoreticians conceived that there must be something smaller than the bacteria and the virus, which are the most common living forms of disease agents. This pathogenic organism is so infinitely small that normal blood and tissue tests will not reveal the source of the disease. Your doctor may diagnose you with Alzheimer's and he will say, "Golly, we don't know where Alzheimer's comes from. All we know is that your brain begins to deteriorate, cells rupture, the myelin sheath around the nerves dissolves, and so on." Or if you have chronic fatigue syndrome, the doctor will not be able to find any cause for your illness with ordinary blood and tissue tests. This mycoplasma couldn't be detected until about 30 years ago when they developed the polymerase chain reaction test in which they examine a sample of your blood, remove damaged particles, and subject that damaged particle to a polymerase chain reaction. This causes the DNA in the particle to break down. Then they place it in a nutrient which causes the DNA to grow back into its original form. If they get enough of it they can recognize what it is, and determine whether brucellosis or another kind of agent is behind that particular mycoplasma.


    If anybody in your family has myalgic encephalomyelitis, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, or Alzheimer's, you can send a blood test to Dr. Les Simpson in New Zealand. If you are ill with these diseases, your red blood cells will not be normal donut-shaped blood cells capable of being compressed and squeezed through the capillaries, but will swell up like cherry-filled donuts, which cannot be compressed. The blood cells become enlarged and distended because the only way the mycoplasma can exist is by uptaking preformed sterols from the host cell. One of the best sources of preformed sterols is cholesterol, and cholesterol is what gives your blood cells flexibility. If the cholesterol is taken out by the mycoplasma, the red blood cell swells up, doesn't go through and the person begins to feel all the aches and pains, and all the damage it causes to the brain, the heart, the stomach, the feet and the whole body because blood and oxygen is cut off. And that is why people with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome have such a terrible time. When the blood is cut off from the brain, punctate lesions appear, because those parts of the brain die. It will get into portions of the heart muscle, especially the left ventricle, and those cells will die. Certain people have cells in the lateral ventricles of the brain that have a genetic predisposition to admit the mycoplasma, and it causes the lateral ventricles to deteriorate and die and this leads to multiple sclerosis which will progress until they are totally disabled and frequently die prematurely. It will get into the lower bowel and parts of the lower bowel will die and cause colitis. All of these diseases are caused by the degenerating properties of the mycoplasma.

    About two months ago a gentleman in Sudbury phoned me and told me he had fibromyalgia. He applied for Canada Pension and was turned down because his doctor said it was all in his head and there was no external evidence. I gave him the proper form and a vial, and he sent his blood to Dr. Les Simpson of New Zealand to be tested. He did this with his family doctor's approval, and the results from Dr. Simpson showed that only 4% of his red blood cells were functioning normally and carrying the appropriate amount of oxygen to his poor body, whereas 83% were distended, enlarged and hardened, and wouldn't go through the capillaries without an awful lot of pressure and trouble. This is the physical evidence of the damage that is done.


    You can also ask your doctor to give you a 24-hour Holter ECG. You know, of course, that an electrocardiogram is a measure of your heart beat, which shows what is going on in the right ventricle, the left ventricle, and so on. Tests show that 100% of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia have an irregular heart beat. At various periods of time, during the 24 hours, the heart, instead of working happily away, going "bump-BUMP, bump-BUMP", every now and again, it will go "buhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuh". The T-wave (the waves are called P, Q, R, S, and the last one is T) is normally a peak, and then the wave levels off and starts with the P-wave again. In chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia patients, the T-wave flattens off, or actually inverts. That means the blood in the left ventricle is not being squeezed up through the aorta and around through the body. My client did this test, and lo and behold, the test results stated: "The shape of T and S-T suggest left ventricle strain pattern, although voltage and so on is normal". The doctor had no clue as to why the T-wave was not working properly. I analyzed the report of the patient who had been turned down by Canada Pension and sent it back to them. They wrote back and said, "It looks like we may have made a mistake. We are going to give you a hearing and you can explain this to us in more detail." So it is not all in your imagination. There is actual physical damage to the heart. The left ventricle muscles do show scarring. That is why many people are diagnosed with a heart condition when they first develop fibromyalgia, but it's only one of several problems because the mycoplasma can do all kinds of damage.


    You can also ask your doctor for a blood volume test. Every human being requires a certain amount of blood per pound of body weight, and it has been observed that people with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis and others do not have the normal blood volume their body needs to function properly. Doctors aren't normally aware of this. This test measures the amount of blood in the human body by taking out five cc, putting a tracer in it, and then putting it back in the body. One hour later take out five cc again and look for the tracer. The thicker the blood and the lower the blood volume, the more tracer you will find. The analysis of one of my clients stated: "This patient was referred for red cell mass study. The red cell volume is 16.9 ml per kg of body weight. The normal range is 25 to 35 ml. per kg." This guy has 36% less blood in his body than the body needs to function". And the doctor hadn't even known the test existed. If you lost 36% of your blood in an accident, do you think your doctor would tell you that you are all right, just take up line dancing and you will get over it? They would rush you to the nearest hospital and start infusing you with blood transfusions. These tragic people with these awful diseases are functioning with anywhere from 7 to 50% less blood than their bodies need to function.

  5. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    Tansy? Stormy? Lamotta, your reply has gotta be interesting.

    there is a bit more, he gives several contact's addresses, Garth Nicholson, who many of us have heard of is one.

  6. kbak

    kbak Member

    with Don Scotts work. He's not someone with an ax to grind. He has just done his homework, and has the documents to back it up.
  7. suzetal

    suzetal New Member

    I would like more info for My doctors .
    Thank you.
  8. JenniferAnn539

    JenniferAnn539 New Member


    Thanks for posting this interesting information.

    I am not up to reading it all today, but will save it and read through it when I can.

    Where did you locate this information and was there a date that this was written?

    Thanks much,

    ANNXYZ New Member

    do a search on the origins of Lyme disease and the govern-
    ment's role in this disabling bacteria . Search :

    " Lyme disease " and " Plum Island " . It will make the most patriotic American realize we CAN NOT blindly
    trust the spin our government projects to cover up their blunders . HHV 6 is also reputed to be a manmade and toxic
    virus that the government formulated and this is not a big secret .

    Related to that is the story about contamintaed vaccines that have been produced by Merck in the past and the government's role in REFUSING to hold them accountable .
    Their is a strong link between the vaccines and diseases like autism ( AND OTHERS!) because of thimerosol ,
    which causes mercury poisoning .

    Here we are today with big drug companies lobbying to prevent Americans from buying drugs from Canada to save money . Many of these folks are seniors with health problems , or folks with no health insurance . Bush allies with the drug companies , who do not want their profit margins cut into . Following this , the government DOES allow the drug companies to save $$$$ testing their new products in India ! We can not buy our drugs from a foreign country , but we must accept that they can be tested in a foreign country . Of course , our legislators will say we must do this to be competitive in a global economy , while Americans who work for these drug companies
    find less job security and eroding benefits .

    I used to consider myself a Republican , but I have come to realize that we are governed by lobbyists and weak people who are lackeys for big business .
  10. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member


    I'm curious what else you know about Don Scott's work and why you are so familiar w/ it? Also good to know you don't think he has his own hidden agenda.

    I've seen similar drifts of this type of info., but it seemed too incredible. Esp. given some of the radical sources I've seen it from. this guy is different though, I'm not familiar w/ him, but starting w/ the fact he's a celebrated veteran w/ 2 teaching careers and a researcher, what he says smacks of truth. Anyone can claim to have documents, but he cites published rpts. and other whistleblower type articles from respected sources.


    I know professionals can get killed for knowing too much, but they can't kill them all. This is leaking out like a pinpricked water baloon. And it's catching up w/ them. If movies like the true "Cassandra Crossing" can be made, this will be blown wide open eventually too. Like the other true, "The Insider", about the whistleblower against the tobacco ind.

    Herbs will be around forever for sure. Don't you worry about that. We have 5 acres w/ so called weeds that are medicinally prized, thriving nicely, and no matter what else happens, they'll be there w/ our organic little garden. There ain't going to be any weed police coming anytime soon.

  11. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    If I do and you wonder if Valley fever m. is related to this nasty modified m., then I'm not sure.

    My first guess was no, apparently there are hundreds of m., but most are innocuous in people. but then I thought, if they were nasty enough to test these m. on us, then maybe this vaccine they offered you was another little experiement to see if they could control it and keep their own people well while using it against an enemy. Or maybe just a way to clean up the mess they'd made.

    It may not have been Valley fever, but the vaccination that made you sick. You know for some it's a vaccine that starts them off the road to sickandtiredville.

  12. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    I'll have you know Canada is already interesting, sniff.

    We have polar bears, West Nile, SARRS, thousands of miles of unusable arctic tundra, ice diamonds, and the infamous gay marriage.

    We seem to have a few things in common, recent renewed intest in crochet, I've been in a poncho craze. and I was alot of dictaphone in my 9 yr secretarial career, legal at first then medical at the end when I did my Med. Language course.

  13. karinaxx

    karinaxx New Member

    I came over this articles just a few days ago and somewhere was the question poping up of : could that be the reason why research money for Cfids just disapeared ?
    Could it be that some people in the goverment dont want this topic to be reseached ?
    Intresting question!!!

    Mycoplasma and CFIDS

    In 1975, the first reported epidemic of CFIDS occurred which
    involved health care workers at the Mercy San Juan Hospital in
    Carmichael, CA. Most of those cases are still being treated by Dr.
    Erich Ryll of Sacramento, CA.
    In 1984, the second, third and fourth epidemics occurred in the same
    year. The first epidemic occurred in teachers and students at
    Truckee High School (near Incline Village, Nevada); the second at an
    elementary school in Lyndonville, New York; and the third in New
    Zealand. Three of the physicians who were involved in those
    outbreaks are still very much involved with research and treatment
    today (Dr’s Dan Peterson and Paul Cheney from NV and Dr. David Bell
    from NY)
    In the three USA epidemics, the CDC became involved in the
    investigation. Blood studies were done on the victims. Cultures were
    taken for all known viruses, bacteria, mycoplasmas and rickettsiae,
    and all were reported to be negative. From the outset, the new
    disease was discounted by the government agencies.
    Most of the children from the NY outbreak were treated with
    antibiotics. It was not prescribed for the new disease, but rather
    for infections that occurred because of their deficient immune
    systems; (i.e., the usual things that children experience—strep
    throat, ear infections, etc.—occurred more frequently and with more
    serious complications). Perhaps, as a result, a majority of the
    children in the NY outbreak have recovered. Most of the adults from
    the NV and NZ outbreaks did not receive antibiotic treatment as a
    routine, however, and most are still very ill.
    In 1985, the physicians in NV began to see a change in the antibody
    response to the Epstein Barr Virus (EBV) in their patients. The test
    (called a titer) indicated that they had a reactivation of an old
    infection. At first, they thought they had found the cause of their
    new disease and called it Chronic EBV. But, they witnessed the EBV
    come and go, and the disease remains. It was soon evident that the
    Epstein Barr infection was only one of many viruses and fungi that
    would occur in their severely immune deficient patients.
    In 1986, the National Cancer Institute of the NIH discovered a new
    human virus that they first named HBLV, and then renamed HHV6 for
    Human Herpes Virus number 6. Most recently, this virus has been
    split into variant type A and B. There was another flurry of
    activity and claims that this virus was the cause of our disease.
    But, this has not proved to be the case, however, studies still
    In 1988, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) convened a symposium
    featuring many prominent researchers of this disease from across the
    country. The name Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was officially coined and
    criteria for diagnosis were formulated.
    In 1994, CFS and Fibromyalgia support groups were merging, and
    research was indicating that the two diseases had similar laboratory
    In 1995, the CDC announced that CFS had been added to their list of
    Priority-1 New and Emerging Infectious Diseases.
    In 1996, many troops who came home sick from the Gulf War, were said
    to also exhibit the same (but, more severe) symptoms of CFIDS. Since
    the war, approximately 70,000 veterans have become ill and 8,000
    have died!
    In 1998, ten years after the first case definition was published and
    accepted by the CDC, there has been little change in the
    government’s approach to the disease. In the ten years since the
    official designation of CFS, most of the research regarding our
    disease has been funded with private money. If any government
    funding was done, it was allocated for study of the epidemiology,
    immunology of CFS, and/or the psychological aspects the disease.
    But, virtually no federal funds have been granted to independent
    researchers for the etiology of the disease.
    Even though funding for the cause and cure has been absent, the CDC
    still maintains that CFIDS is a severe and life-altering disease.
    It has recently been revealed that money appropriated by congress,
    specifically earmarked for CFIDS research, was diverted into other
    programs. Dr. William Reeves, in charge of CFIDS research at the CDC
    (and, at one time, thought to be part of the problem), invoked the
    protection of the Whistle-Blower’s Act. This scandal exposes the
    knowledge that the CDC has intentionally misrepresented monies
    allocated to CFS research. The misrepresentations involve
    systematically diverting between $1-2 million between 1995-97. Now,
    the task begins to restore the lost funding, allocate new
    funding—for appropriate etiology studies—and help the government
    recognize the seriousness of this disease and their obligation to
    more than a half a million Americans who suffer with it every day.

    Since I had a positive test for a new stealth pathogen named Mycoplasma
    fermentans incognitus five years ago, I have been curious as to how, why,
    and when I contracted it. Having been on antibiotics for four years, I am
    nearly well!!! Could this pathogen have been the cause for CFIDS in my
    case? I believe so. My research into this new pathogen has led me to some
    interesting revelations.
    Recent research has lead me to conclude that our disease is relatively new
    and emerging along with many others like Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis,
    Reactive Arthritis, Post Viral Syndrome, Lyme Disease, etc.
    My research has led me to the term "STEALTH PATHOGEN". A stealth pathogen
    is one that can cause infection by invading the cells, thus hiding from
    the body’s immune system. Since the organism hides inside the cells,
    laboratory tests to determine their presence is difficult. Usual antibody
    tests are worthless. The only way to diagnose the problem is by culture
    and/or PCR. Often special body fluids or tissue samples are necessary
    (i.e., cerebral spinal fluid, synovial or joint fluid, bone marrow,
    glandular biopsies, muscle biopsies, etc.) The disease process develops
    slowly and the progress is marked with remissions and exacerbations.
    Along with Mycoplasma, other pathogens may fall into this group. Most of
    these are the cell wall deficient forms (also called L-forms or
    spheroblasts) of common bacteria that can cause a serious disease state.
    Lida Mattman, Ph.D. of Wayne State University, writes about these
    pathogens in her book entitled Cell Wall Deficient Forms: Stealth
    Pathogens. She explains that ordinary bacteria and fungi are capable of
    mutating to a form that lacks a cell wall. When mutated to this state,
    they are more invasive (entering cells) and more pathogenic. She explains
    that the majority of unexplained negative lab cultures concern infection
    with these cell wall deficient variants of common bacteria.
    In my research, I have also been interested in the autoimmune aspect of
    our disease (and others). This is easily explained if one understands how
    cell wall deficient organisms operate. Once they enter a cell they
    incorporate the cells energy source and food as their own. They are hidden
    from the body’s immune system at this time. While in the cell, they then
    multiply. They leave the dead cell in search of another. In leaving they
    take a piece of the cells membrane with it. During the brief time out of
    the cell, the immune system recognizes both the pathogen and the body’s
    own cell membrane and sets up a defense against them both. After the
    pathogen enters another cell, it is not affected by the immune system, but
    the reaction against the cell membrane sets into motion an attack on other
    cells of that type. Hence, we often have auto antibodies against our own
    tissues like thyroid, heart, muscles, joints, etc, which complicates the
    clinical course of the disease.
    In comparing the diseases caused by these "stealth pathogens", I found
    many correlation's with CFS. There are many overlapping symptoms, many of
    he same abnormal laboratory tests, and if they are treated with the
    appropriate antibiotic—the same recovery rate. Another comparison is that
    they all "emerged" into the medical world at about the same time
    period—the past 20 years (i.e., Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Lyme,
    Fibromyalgia, Gulf War Syndrome).

    Suspicion by a noted researcher Garth Nicolson, Ph.D. (originally of the M
    D Anderson Cancer Research Center in Texas and lately of the Institute for
    Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, CA) that the Mycoplasma fermentans
    incognitus was bioengineered in order to make it more virulent and useful
    for germ warfare was another revelation I was unable to handle, at first.
    Dr. Nicolson explained that he identified an alteration in the molecular
    structure of the Mycoplasmas he had found in Gulf War Veterans who were
    ill. The Mycoplasmas were found to have had an envelope gene from an HIV
    organism inserted into its nucleus (GP 120). This would make the organism
    more invasive and harder to treat. He explained that this insertion does
    not occur naturally, but can be "forced" using specialized laboratory
    techniques. (A mutation caused within a laboratory setting.)
    While germ warfare is certainly not a subject that is pleasant or easy to
    think about, we cannot afford to bury our heads in the sand, either.
    There are several books/sources that helped to shed light on this
    global problem:
    Emerging Viruses: Aides & Ebola—-Nature, Accident, or
    Intentional? By Leonard Horowitz
    The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident, by Donald &
    William Scott (1996) Chelmsford Pub,
    ISBN # 0-9692622-1-3 (705)670-0180.
    The Eleventh Plague: Politics of Biological Warfare, by
    Leonard Cole. ISBN #E 0-7167-2950-4

    Now that Dr. William Reeves has openly admitted that funds, earmarked by
    Congress for the study of CFIDS, were misappropriated by the CDC, the next
    question is WHY? Why has the CDC and NIH not funded any studies of
    suspected pathogens? Why was the diversion of funds used for psychological
    studies as the only explanation of CFIDS? Is there a hidden agenda? Could
    the diversion of CFIDS research funds be part of a larger governmental
    "cover-up" pertaining to germs engineered for war? Is there a connection
    between the testing of potential wargerms (such as Mycoplasmas &/or other
    intracellular "stealth pathogens") on civilian populations and CFIDS?
    Consider the following information supplied by Elizabeth Naugle of
    the Candida & Dysbiosis Information Foundation:
    It has been legal for the last two decades for the Department
    of Defense (DOD) to test chemical and biological warfare
    agents on civilian populations without their knowledge.
    [United States Code Annotated, Title 50, War and National
    Defense, Chapter 32, Section 1520. Passed into public law on
    July 30, 1977; quietly repealed on Nov. 18, 1997 as part of
    the DOD 1998-99 appropriations bill, after outrage voiced by
    Gulf War Vets.]
    Prior to 1977, the University of Maryland conducted mycoplasma
    vaccine testing on prison inmates. [JAMA 199:353-58, Feb. 6,
    In the early 1970’s, Mycoplasma vaccines and many viral agents
    were tested on inmates of the Texas prison system by doctors
    affiliated with the University of Texas, in Houston. [Ref:
    "Medical Research, Experimentation and Pharmaceutical Testing
    in the Texas Department of Corrections" by Robert Russell
    Bozzelli, 1974 Master’s Thesis, Sam Houston State University.]

    Research done by a fellow sufferers, Sean and Leslee Dudley from the
    Mycoplasma Registry, led me to the possible connection between Mycoplasma
    and CFIDS. They led me to a researcher by the name of Shyh-Ching Lo. Lo
    originally filed a patent on Mycoplasma, with the US Patent Office in
    1986. His laboratory research has taken him to Texas and to Maryland.
    Studies continued until 1996 when four patents were finally granted. The
    patents involved discovery of two Mycoplasmas with unique morphological
    and pathobiological properties. It explained that these Mycoplasmas did
    not appear to be related to any other species of human or animal
    Mycoplasma. These novel Mycoplasmas were called Mycoplasma penetrans and
    Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus.
    The patents further explain that:
    "These extraordinary pathogens are capable of causing chronic
    debilitating diseases and producing a variety of clinical
    manifestations and suppressing host immune defense
    "Some patients who are infected with M. penetrans or M.
    fermentans incognitus can possibly be patients who have been
    diagnosed as having HIV infection, AIDS Related Complex,
    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Wegener’s Disease, Sarcoidosis,
    respiratory distress syndrome, Kibuchi’s Disease, and
    autoimmune diseases such as collagen vascular disease and
    Lupus and chronic debilitating diseases such as Alzheimer's

    (Especially since the name Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
    had not even been coined until 1988!!!)
    These Unique Mycoplasmas were deposited with the American Type Culture
    Collection in Rockville, MD (Otherwise known as the DOD depository for
    biological warfare.)
    In addition I think that it is very interesting that Dr. Lo used one main
    method—the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) to detect the organisms studied
    in his patents. He did not utilize antibody tests. His patents explain the
    pathogen's ability to reside within human tissue cells and evade the
    detection of the immune system. However, when he corroborated in a CFIDS
    study with Anthony Komaroff, MD, David Bell, MD and Paul Cheney, MD (three
    noted CFIDS researchers), it was concluded that CFIDS patients DID NOT
    have Mycoplasmal infections based on an antibody test. [Absence of
    Antibody to Mycoplasma fermentans in patients with Chronic Fatigue
    Syndrome, Clinical Infectious Disease, 17(6): 1074-75 Dec, 1993.] Were the
    CFIDS doctors bamboozled? Those three independent labs that are reporting
    high positive results know that antibody tests are worthless on these
    strains of Mycoplasma because they are intracellular. Perhaps that is
    precisely why Lo corroborated with the CFIDS researchers——to falsely
    confirm that Mycoplasmas were not present in CFS patients so they would
    look elsewhere for a cause. Consequently, the results of the CFIDS/Lo
    corroborated study have left it difficult to convince the CFIDS
    researchers to look for Mycoplasmas in their patients. They refuse to
    believe, as valid, the high percentage of positives (by PCR) that those
    three different independent labs are reporting. (Reported: Institute for
    Molecular Medicine=75%, University of California-Irvine=70%,
    Immunosciences Lab=55%.)

    How can we be so sure that CFIDS is not infectious if the government does
    not fund independent researchers to investigate any pathogenic organisms
    that might be present?
    Many of us with CFIDS, especially after reading the historical chronicle
    Osler’s Web by Hillary Johnson, are beginning to suspect a "cover-up" by
    the CDC, DOD and NIH regarding the CFS epidemic.
    After 25 years since the first reported epidemic, we still don’t know much
    about CFIDS. Questions remain. What causes it? How is it transmitted? What
    tests can diagnose it? Who is at risk? How can it be treated? How can it
    be cured? How can it be prevented? How many people have it? How large is
    the public health threat it poses. Why does it continue to spread? How can
    it be stopped? Why does it occur in clusters within households and
    workplaces? Can the disease be passed from a woman to her unborn child?
    Can it be transmitted through breast milk? Can it be transmitted to or
    from household pets? Should persons with CFIDS avoid donating blood, blood
    products, or organs? These are just some of the questions we should demand
    an answer to from our government.

    There is a growing network of support groups who are combining
    information and forces to try to unravel the origin of our diseases.
    The one’s who are most active are:
    The Mycoplasma Registry, 303 47th Street, No. J-10, San Diego,
    CA 92102-4801, (619)266-1116
    Candida & Dysbiosis Information Foundation, PO Drawer JF,
    College Station, TX, 77841-5146, (409) 694-8687
    The Road Back Foundation, 4985 N. Lake Hill Road, Delaware,
    OH, 43015-9249, www.roadback.org
    Keep Hope Alive, PO Box 27041, West Allis, WI 53227

    Being ill since 1981 with CFIDS affords one a unique perspective. I have a
    been able to watch the chronology of CFIDS unfold firsthand. I have met
    many of the top researchers and my own blood has been sent to numerous
    research labs all over the world. My personal specialist is Dan Peterson,
    MD of Incline Village, NV. I have researched books and journal articles,
    attended medical conferences, talked with others who have the disease and
    are also support group leaders in a network that extends around the world.
    My research has not been limited to CFS, but includes Fibromyalgia,
    Multiple Chemical Sensitivities, Gulf War Illness, Lyme Disease, Lupus,
    Multiple Sclerosis, and others. I have viewed my illness as a unique
    opportunity to expand my knowledge base in an area of which I have extreme
    interest. I attempt to give you an account of my understanding of major
    events in hopes that you will also have a better perspective.
    I would hope that this perspective has, at least, piqued your interest. I
    would also hope that you begin to do your own research, keep your mind
    open to new ideas and theories, and think for yourself. I encourage you to
    subscribe to several journals from national support groups and keep
    abreast of changes regarding your disease. I would also encourage you to
    develop your own network of knowledgeable CFIDS advocates. Do not rely
    upon your personal physician to answer all your questions. S/he cannot
    possibly know the answers if it is not common knowledge in the medical
    community. Do not play ostrich by sticking your head in the sand. If I had
    done that, I wouldn't be as well as I am today!

    Written by Sharon Briggs

    Webmaster: cybermom@shasta.com
    Copyright © 2003 Shasta CFIDS
    Last modified: August 23, 2003

  14. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    A few years back when I was desperately researching mycoplasmas. I have seen a copy of one of the patents held by Dr. Lo for a mycoplasma bacterium. Dr. Lo has strong ties to the Dept. of Defense. This is highly irregular. When someone does work for the govt., any patents are the property of the govt. It appears that the govt. did not want any public ties to this patent nor Dr. Lo's work.

    As most of you know, it was a mycoplasma infection which triggered my CFIDS full blown. I lived next to a military installation when I got sick. It was only because the infection was active at the time that it showed up in my bloodwork. The two cycles of ABX I was given was woefully inadequate and the infection went stealth and chronic in my system. I never really recoverd and was crippled for months following the active stage.

    Dr. Garth Nicolson discovered the connection between mycoplasmas and Gulf War Illness. There were many attempts to shut him up including what he felt were physical threats to him and his wife. His story is a fascinating read. He now downplays this aspect of his history but I read quite a bit about it several years back.

    There is quite a bit of documentation of experiments on prisoners in Texas involving mycoplasmas. The govt. personnel involved in these experiments got sick as well as some of the guards.

    I broke down and cried when I discovered that my illnesses were likely at least partly due to my own govt.

    Love, Mikie
  15. Wasabi

    Wasabi New Member

    I think it's always good to consider the source, and being a healthy skeptic, I'm just curious about the credibility of those like Donald Scott et al who are suggesting that the government tested mycoplasma on people.

    Do we know who these people are? Are they credible sources? Or are they conspiracy theorists? Is there some kind of hidden agenda? Or do they really have some bombshell information that somehow hasn't gotten to the mainstream media?

    I'm not trying to be difficult, but just because it's "in print" doesn't mean that it's true. I'm actually very interested in this theory, but I just want to be able to analyze the credibility of these people before I accept this whole theory, hook, line, and sinker.

    It is, after all, a pretty incredible concept. If it is true, then this is HUGE. If it's an elaborate conspiracy theory built to scare us, then these people have way too much time on their hands. :) It's just hard to know which it is, in my opinion.

    Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I believe there are certain tactics that are successfully--and manipulatively--used to sway opinions: fear, hype, and hope. These are especially useful on people who are desperate for something--such as pain relief, or a longer life. They have a certain tone, such as this:

    "You MUST do this, or your bones will crumble in five years." (Fear.)

    "You must act now! This is the breakthrough discovery of the century! Hailed by scientists worldwide." (Hype)

    "This is THE answer to your problems! The best and ONLY product to cure your illness!" (Hope)

    Truly credible theories can stand on their own without this kind of emotional manipulation. Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. I consider myself open-minded. However, I really need to be able to trust the source before I believe it.

    Is this a breakthrough in understanding our illness? Or is it hype? If it's credible, why hasn't the mainstream media picked it up? (Just a few months ago, the mainstream media reported on the government sterilizing people decades ago, so it's not like it wouldn't interest them.) I would love to hear other people's opinion on this.
  16. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member

    This guy definitely doesn't have the tone of shrill extremism that I've noted in others who have talked about this. I've been seeing this info. for awhile and had the same healthy scepticism as you, because the sources seemed less than credible.

    this guy states his credentials at the top of his article, and he's not selling a thing. He actually has helped some w/ their Cdn dis. claims, he's not a lawyer so he has no personal gain in this. Really he has everything to lose, like his life and rep. because the powers that be will discredit him 50 ways from Sunday. They always do that w/ whistleblowers.

    It's alot of info to absorb, but he does cite other published studies, from med. journals and est. media and documents previous locked to the public.

    Why wouldn't we hear of this? it's obvious, the govt. and powers taht did this, would stop at nothing to keep us from hearing of it, or at the least, believing it. Look at all the bogus reporting coming from the CDC on CFS and Lyme, it contradicts many, many other credible placebo controlled studies. They are actively and obviously (in my eyes) trying to hide something.

  17. Jeanne-in-Canada

    Jeanne-in-Canada New Member


    The body undoes the damage itself. The scarring in the brain of people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia will be repaired. There is cellular repair going on all the time. But the mycoplasma has moved on to the next cell. In the early stages of a disease, doxycycline may reverse the disease. It is one of the tetracycline antibiotics, but it is not bactericidal; it is bacteriostatic. It stops the growth of the mycoplasma, and if it is stopped long enough, then the immune system takes over. (Nicholson, G.L., Doxycycline treatment and Desert Storm, JAMA, 1995, 273: 618-619),


    Professor Garth Nicholson, Ph.D., of the Institute for Molecular Medicine is one of the top experts on mycoplasma. He has been given an $8 million grant to study 450 Gulf War veterans, because Gulf War illness is caused by the mycoplasma. Dr. Les Simpson has done most of the research in detecting the disease by the polymerase chain reaction blood test. You may contact Dr. Nicholson at 15162 Triton Lane, Huntington Beach, Ca, 92649-1401, tel 714-903-2900.

    In summary, there is a disease agent that is called a mycoplasma. All of these neurodegenerative systemic diseases are caused by a particle of a bacterial DNA, a mycoplasma, that enters into the cells of living organisms and takes the cells apart, sterol by sterol, leaving scar tissue, and causing all the range of symptoms that you see in people with these diseases. The military and the National Institutes of Health and the government are all dedicated to keeping this mycoplasma as covert as they possibly can.

    For more information and references, please refer to The Brucellosis Triangle and The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident by Don Scott and William Scott, both available at Consumer Health Organization.
    Other recommended reading is Osler's Web by Hillary Johnson and Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola by Leonard Horowitz. Don Scott also produces The Journal of Degenerative Diseases.

    You may contact Donald Scott at: 190 Mountain St., Ste. 405, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada P3B 4G2. 705-670-0180. Note: Dr. David Webster at Sudbury General Hospital, a wonderful person, with whom I have had conversations about these awful diseases can tell your doctor about the Blood Volume test.
  18. hubby

    hubby New Member

    Thank you Jeanne, we are in Manitoba, just moved here a year ago tomorrow. I have cfs and Fibor so far, diagnosed, but I swear to God I have had a stroke with the symtoms that I manifest.

    I will read this post again when I can digest most of it. I did an over view, and conincidentally I was raised in South San Francisco and California all my life.

    Thanks for all the information, the people on this board are so sharp and inteligent, it is so gratifying to know that they too have the same symtoms I do, having trouble talking, not remembering things, not remembering words and having to use another word, no spelling techinique and I have always been in the top of the class throughout my life and then to not be able to take care of business get organized, or any of the above, get sick at the drop of a dime and then in bed.

    again thanks for the post I will get into it when I am a little sharper. I am a nurse and had a lot of extra training as I was going to be a PA but oh well, permanently disabled 11 yrs ago, with Fibro,and other things. Went through the first time and did not have to get a lawyer. It sounds like boasting, but believe me I would much rather be well than be diabled, I miss my work, and getting out, but there are so many things I have learned I am having that are normal with Fibro, like not tolerating heat I thought it was menapausal, but it would happen even with my estrogen.

    have a good day Hubby
  19. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Some of the info on govt. studies using citizens as Guinnea Pigs is not credible and some of it is sensationalized. Dr. Nicolson is a highly respected person and his studies have opened the door for many doctors who treat mycoplasma infections.

    The real clincher for me was when I saw the copy of the much discussed patent held by Dr. Lo on a credible website. This is not an urban legend. There are many, many sources online if one cares to investigate.

    BTW, even though I had been sick for longer than 10 years when I started the Doxy, after 2 1/2 years on it, the infection appears to be under control or gone, Unfortunately, in the meantime, some viral infections of opportunity seem to have reactivated and cause me problems from time to time. The transfer factors are doing a good job and when I feel my immune system really needs a rest, I have an antiviral I can pulse for a week or 10 days.

    These tiny cell-wall-deficient bacteria with viral characteristics are very virulent. I believe it is impossible to heal as long as one's body is playing host to these pathogens.

    Love, Mikie
  20. pepper

    pepper New Member

    and have lived here for 57 yrs. This is very distressing but very informative. Thanks so much for posting it, Jeanne. I will have to save it to digest since there is so much info here.


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