cfs from hep. b vaccination.

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by ERICK33, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. ERICK33

    ERICK33 New Member

    A few questions for the more knowledgeable cfs/fm victims. in 1997 I recieved a series of hepatitis b vaccinations.
    Due to my occupation as a police officer I thought it would be a good idea to protect myself from the possible exposure to this disease. Aproximately six month after the third innoculation, i began to feel symtoms including pain without swelling centering around areas of lymph node clusters(armpits,neck and behind knees)i also began having low grade fever at night and a difficulty in swallowing. a short stint in the hospital followed up by several visits to my pcp and ent specialist could find no problem or abnormalities. Since then I have been given the diagnosis of fibromyalgia. In the years to follow I began experiencing frequent muscle twitching, migratory joint and muscle pains without swelling or redness, visual disturbances (diplopia) when tired, dysphagia, coated tongue and pins and needle sensations, acid reflux disease and occasional lymph node pain (no swelling)
    I could accept the diagnosis of fibro but do not experience any of the called for tender spots. the cdc definition of cfs does not fit due to the fact that I would clasify my fatigue as mild and not causing a 50 percent reduction in activity. lyme, lupus and other metabolic conditions have been tested and ruled out.
    My question is, does this sound familiar to any of you out there. if so please respond. I also plan to have M.S. or any other nerve demlylination disease ruled out in the futer. I really believe that this is all due to the hep.b vaccination.
  2. jadibeler

    jadibeler New Member

    One of my best friends got something much worse than either CFS or FM from the Hepatitis shots (she feels sure). She has Polymyositis. Basically all the same symptoms, with one major difference - her muscles are actually disintegrating. What she loses she can never get back. She has been fighting this for years and going to one specialist after another, trying all kinds of treatments (some of them pretty off-the-wall, believe me). She's gone the holistic route and has also had chemotherapy. She's had to be hospitalized several times.

    Yes, this connection is being looked into, but not extensively enough. I believe Julie belongs to some sort of internet group which is trying to push for more research. I can find out about it if anyone is interested.
    She may have more information on what has already been discovered. I probably won't hear back from her right away, though, as she is often too ill to sit up and she gets ulcers on her fingertips and can't type.

    By the way, this possible connection is well known enough that many GI's refuse to take the vaccinations and are punished for it. The entire force sent from Australia to Iraq refused to take it.

  3. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I've read about many here who believe it was vaccinations which triggered their illnesses. The criteria for diagnosis of our illnesses is arbitrary and cannot be considered the gold standard by which to diagnose. My fatigue wasn't severe for years and the tender points didn't show up til about two to three years ago. I've been sick almost 13 years now.

    I got sick while living next to a military facility where the soldiers were being vaccinated prior to being deployed to the Gulf for the first war. I believe the mycoplasma infection which triggered my illness came from exposure in the Christmas shopping crowds where I must have come in contact with a soldier with an active infection. Mycoplasma contamination of vaccines is well documented.

    Take good care of yourself to ensure that your illness doesn't progress. Learn all you can about FMS and CFIDS. This is a good place to start.

    Love, Mikie
  4. dojomo

    dojomo New Member

    I have read that many people feel vaccinations esp hep b caused their illness .........there are several studies at the pubmed site disputing a casual relationship. But most studies today are "check book" science..designed to protect vaccine makers from liability. Chemical and pharmacuetical companies are notorious for funding studies to protect,, Dow and silicone breast implants. Its' crimminal..but the truth is, vaccines contain toxic additives, mercury and aluminum...not to mention contaminated with mycoplasmas and monkey viruses. THIS IS PROVEN. So how they decided that they are harmless still blows my mind.............dojomo
  5. dojomo

    dojomo New Member

    Dr. Hyde testified as an expert witness on behalf of Dr. Guylaine Lanctot MD, a Quebec physician and author of The Medical Mafia, who was persecuted by the Quebec College of Physicians for writing and speaking about vaccine induced health injuries.

    U.S. House of Representatives
    Submitted by Jane Orient, M.D


    March 25, 1996.

    Excerpt of testimony given by Dr. Byron Hyde before the Quebec College of Physicians Medical Board Tribunal

    Dr. Hyde, a medical doctor. after listing his credentials, is recognized as an expert in the field of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).

    Dr. Hyde begins his testimony by recalling his twelve years of research into CFS and brain dysfunctions as well as his work as Chairman of the non-profit Nightingale Research Foundation. The latter generates awareness and disseminates information on little known diseases as such as post-polio, fibromyalgia and CFS. He tells the Committee that he got involved in this research after his daughter fell ill with a disease process which was only subsequently recognized as being infectious and which became known as CFS. His search for answers, he adds, has taken him around the world.

    He defines CFS as an epidemic illness, one which occurs primarily in the late summer and fall. It is typified by an acute onset of symptoms which vary from malaise to severe non-stop headaches and body pains now known in the US as fibromyalgia or myalgias. It is also accompanied by muscle weakness which develop alongside the pain symptoms and changes in brain function. The change in brain function is in several areas with one, a measurable decrease in the expected IQ, and, two, major cognitive losses that is, loss of sensory abilities to define one’s environment. which is very traumatic for the patients. Physicians have found very few physical modalities of the disease to help them to further diagnose the disease.

    The disease process, he adds, very much resembles poliomyelitis in its incubation period. Prior to 1962, before polio immunization became generalized. epidemics of CFS like disease occurred concurrently with polio epidemics. A lot of people at that time felt that there may be a type of poliomyelitis-type injury without the paralytic dysfunction.

    "My supposed expertise with hep B immunisation. And I say "supposed" because we know almost nothing….We know very little about hep B disease. We have no statistics in Canada, serious statistics. We don’t know, for instance, how many children in Canada die of it every year. There are no statistics. We don’t know who the people who fall ill with hep B are. Are they Haitian immigrants? Are they people who have just arrived from China? There are no government statistics on this information….

    Why are we, in a time of major economic, medical and financial difficulty, spending literally a billion dollars, because that is what it would cost to immunise everybody in Canada against hepatitis B, for something in which we have the lowest risk in the world, for which we have no statistics, and for which there is no serious investigation on the side effects?

    I would not for a minute say not to take hep B immunisation if you work in a hospital dealing with blood products….We have to know what we are doing in medicine before we go and immunise tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of children…Because if they develop brain dysfunction after hep B immunisation when they’re in kindergarten, who in the world will know the reason if they fail grades one, two, three and four? Was it because they were stupid, not motivated, not intellectually able, or on drugs? Who is going to know if it is that or if they were brain dysfunctions due to immunisations that, we know, occur to minor degrees in many types of immunisations?

    I did have a chance to spend a couple of evenings with the man in charge of getting the American soldiers ready for the Gulf (in Baton Rouge). He was in charge of anti-chemical, anti-germ warfare. He told me that many of the Gulf War Syndrom people were hospitalised immediately after massive immunisations and never got to the Gulf. I have never seen that written up. It is very interesting to note that hep B immunisation was only given to those people sent to the Gulf who were mediacl personnel, because they did not feel there was a risk for the regular soldier. Now, if the American government did not feel it was a risk to people in combat, it makes us wonder why we are giving it to our children today.

    We looked at hep B immunisation in Quebec province because one nurse phoned us saying she had CFS after having hep B immunization.....About a month later the same nurse called again, she now had 5 other nurses in the area who had fallen ill with CFS-like symptoms after the vaccine, all were unable to return to work. I told her to phone the maker, Merck. She told me she did and they said the 6 nurses were the only persons in the whole world that had ever had a serious side effect and therefore there couldn't possibly be a link. And, they told her that she was the only person who had ever phoned....she said that when her doctor phoned, he too was told he was the only person in the world that had ever called, and when each of the doctors of the other nurses called in, each was told the same thing.

    I also called Merck...and they said.."Oh Dr Hyde, you are the only doctor in all of Canada that has ever contacted us with such a complaint."

    This same nurse....(had) amassed 20 or 30 names of individuals, all post hep B immunisation cases...We received close to 120 calls from nurses and health care workers in the Quebec area with problems...many were severely disabled."

    Dr Hyde mentioned that the investigation into the hep B vaccine raised after his efforts was funded, organised and run by a pharmaceutical company. He was not invited.

    "Nor was Dr. Phaneuf who has over 100 cases of post-hepatitis B immunisation in Quebec…Nobody who had ever published a paper on post-hepatitis immunisation adverse reaction was invited (to the Toronto conference on hepatitis B). So it was a very one sided meeting."

    All paid for by Merck. When he asked the government for a copy of the research they said they had completed using the list of hepatitis B "victims" he had provided, he was told that it had been destroyed for lack of space!

  6. ERICK33

    ERICK33 New Member

    I am new to this message board and just want to say thanks to all that have and will respond to my original posting. Being new here I did not want to create a lengthy posting but since reading the others that have followed, I believe that I should give a little more info that I have discovered since I made the connection of cfs and the hep.b vaccination. After doing several internet searches I have discovered numerous web sites that claim relationship to vaccines and cfs. the problem is that these sites are all downplayed by mainstream medicine as being fringe and lacking scientific backing.
    One good book that I have read and recommend by DR Charles Shepherd director M.E. association of the united kingdom. living with M.E. (U.K. NAME FOR CFS)this doctor list vaccination as a definite cause and states that the hep.b vaccine is the most implicated of all vaccines. I have also read of others claiming the vaccine is a direct cause of multiple sclerosis and other nerve disorders. the claim is that the hepatitis b antigen looks so simular to the mylin nerve sheath that when the body produces antibodies to the hep.b antigen, the antibodies also attack the nerve causing autoimmune multiple sclerosis.
    the second hypothosis is the toxicity of the mercury and formalyn (formeldahyde) additives that are included in the vaccine.
    this vaccine has had unproven and downplayed links to autism, guillian barre syndrome, ms and lupus to go along with the cfs.
    With all the information out there, i still believe that the best way to judge this information is to hear from others that have had the same causation or may have knowledge gained from personal investigation. after stating all the above, I still don't believe that I have ruled out enough to definitly claim to have cfs but it sure is starting to look that way. And the vaccination would be my first choice as to where it came from. by the way are there any other men out there.