Chemtrails in Northern California and Southern Oregon

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Missizzy, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. Missizzy

    Missizzy New Member

    You cannot live in Oregon or California and NOT hear constantly about the conspiracy theories concerning "chemtrails". I have not formed a personal theory although the issue concerns me greatly. I found this article today to be particularly interesting. It comes from the Redding Record Searchlight (the primary newspaper for far Northern California). The Shasta they refer to is Mt. Shasta and the surrounding county which is approximately 75 miles north of Redding (and 75 miles south of me). There's been quite a lot of buzz recently concerning the incredible number of lightning strikes we suffered in June. I just read in our local paper that there were another 1,100 last night south of us. I post this for everyone's consideration:


    'Chemtrails' conspiracy: Shasta board to talk about jets' metal dumping

    By Ryan Sabalow (Contact)
    Tuesday, August 5, 2008

    A conspiracy theory that says government agencies are using jets to dump poisonous heavy metals into the atmosphere moves today from the realm of late-night talk radio call-in shows to the Shasta County supervisors chambers.

    The Shasta County Board of Supervisors, acting as the Air Pollution Control Board, will hear at its 1:30 p.m. meeting a presentation by Dane Wigington and others about "heavy metal contamination" -- referred to by some as the "chemtrails" conspiracy.

    Wigington, a 46-year-old renewable energy consultant from Bella Vista, like a growing number of conspiracy theorists, thinks a government cabal is using jets to dump metals into the atmosphere to combat global warming -- or for other, more nefarious purposes.

    The theorists say the contrails of the jets provide the most visible evidence of the dumping, since on clear days, the vapor trails are unnaturally slow to dissipate and often appear in gridlike patterns. But the proof locally is in soil and snow samples, Wigington said.

    Area scientists have taken more than 40 samples in the north state, including on the sides of Mt. Shasta, and all of them showed abnormally high levels of heavy metals like aluminum, he said. The metals are new and in places where they shouldn’t be, he said. The dumping may also be contributing to disastrous weather patterns, Wigington said.

    “It’s tough not to connect to that with what happened in June with the 3,000-plus lightning strikes we had,” he said, adding that it’s important the public hear more about the alleged dumpings’ detrimental effects on the environment. “This is certainly a public health hazard.”

    Shasta County Supervisor Mark Cibula said he requested that the board discuss the matter after receiving requests from community members. Other board members also have expressed interest on the topic, he said.

    Although he’s not sold on the conspiracy, Cibula said, he thinks it’s appropriate to hear what Wigington’s group has to say. “Let’s look at the information and see what we’ve got there,” Cibula said.

    Reporter Ryan Sabalow can be reached at 225-8344 or at

  2. willruthie1965

    willruthie1965 New Member

    I have video and pictures of chemtrails.I believe something is going on. Ruthie
  3. EricaCFIDS

    EricaCFIDS New Member

    Thank you for sharing this. I've heard some talk as well about how these white trails we often see after a jet airpline flies through, never actually existed years ago. I'd like to learn more and if that is indeed true. I'll be interested to hear the outcome of this story.

    Thank you!

  4. MamaDove

    MamaDove New Member

    Quite real and quite detrimental to our health...
    Especially 'sensitives'...

    Nuff said...

    Peace to all~MamaDove
  5. sleepyinlalaland

    sleepyinlalaland New Member

    opinion about the theorists interviewed for this article. It is interesting and I will say that considering the state of our union today, I'm less resistant to conspiracy theories than I once was!

    However, to those who say chemtrails (visible trails from jets high in the atmosphere) did not used to be there, well....I'm over 60 and they were a very common sight in my youth.

    while not a conspiracy theory, it is true that some scientists are worried about pollution of the upper atmosphere from jet travel.
  6. jasminetee

    jasminetee Member

    and I think there is something suspicious going on. I know there are more planes than ever in our skies, but I think something else is also going on in regards to chemtrails.

    Thankfully we were able to stop the low-altitude spraying of a moth pheromone over urbanized areas in the Bay Area this year, called LBAM spray but I hear they're still going to spray it over forests and farmland now. This spray goes by the ominous name "Checkmate".

    Look up "LBAM Spray" if you're interested and you'll see why we feel that we are being targeted by some kind of governmental "cabal". Unfortunately, we found out just how bad the LBAM spray is for human health last summer when Santa Cruz and Monterey were sprayed with it. I know of one PWC for instance who had to move to another state due to ill health effects from the LBAM spray.

    Type in "Chemtrails" on YouTube if you want to see more info on them. What I find really odd are the number of UFOs surrounding the chemtrails and sometimes seeming to be creating them.

    Now, I'm not saying I believe everything I see and hear, but having CFS and FMS has taught me to view things with more of an open mind and I also find some of the evidence inarguable, like for instance, scientists finding large amounts of Barium in the soil after chemtrail spraying.

    I was wondering why we've had so many fires this year and the last few years and I think it's very possible that it's from the metals and chemicals being sprayed from airplanes over us now that you've mentioned it. The newsreporters were saying that we've been having a lot of strange "dry lightning" this summer. That is very scary.

    Btw, this is my favorite LBAM Spray video:

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  7. Missizzy

    Missizzy New Member

    Hi All--I thought I'd post concerning the update on Shasta County's (CA) inquiry into the issue of chemtrails:


    "Board to Forward Contrail Fears"

    Supervisors listen to concerned residents, send DVD to officials

    Kimberly Ross, Record Searchlight
    Wednesday, August 6, 2008

    Residents who suspect plane contrails are showering harmful metal particulates on Shasta County made their plea for local testing Tuesday, but instead their concerns will be sent to state and federal officials.

    The Shasta County Board of Supervisors, acting as the county's Air Pollution Control Board, heard from 13 speakers at their Tuesday meeting. About 40 people attended.

    Residents who addressed the board said they've recorded high levels of metals like aluminum, barium and strontium in various parts of the county. They fear a public health threat from the contrails, which some call "chemtrails."

    Several said they resent being dubbed "conspiracy theorists," including Francis Mangels, a retired biological scientist who worked for the U.S. Forest Service.

    "I don't want to be labeled with a bunch of wild-eyed hippies. I am a scientist. The duty of a scientist is to call to attention the potential dangers to society," he said.

    Some speakers said testing would cost the county about $21 per test. Mangels said after the meeting that he estimates a study would cost the county a couple thousand dollars.

    Resource Management Director Russ Mull told the board it could approve adequate testing of contrails' effects, which he estimated would cost $500,000 to $1 million.

    But "jelly jar" experiments aren't enough to be scientifically acceptable and exclude external contaminates, he said.

    “If you want to take samples out in your backyard by your swing set that can’t be used for anything, that’s probably going to cost you 20 to 30 bucks,” he said.

    Furthermore, Mull said state and federal agencies already are aware of fears about jet contrails, and those agencies would be the ones to watch for dangers.

    “The state of California has a standard response that they give” to the issue, which it doesn’t consider a threat, he said.

    During the meeting, Dane Wigington made a presentation and showed a news report KTVU aired recently in the San Francisco Bay area. It discussed cloud seeding and weather modification and included an interview with a Pacific Gas and Electric Co. meteorologist.

    Reached by phone later Tuesday, PG&E’s supervising meteorologist Byron Marler said there is no connection between the contrails issue and the cloud seeding conducted every winter along the Sierra Nevada range by PG&E, water districts and irrigation districts.

    “I would not say that (metals claimed in contrails) is a founded concern, but you can read about it on the Internet,” he said.

    Cloud seeding technology was discovered in the late 1940s and PG&E has used it since the early ’50s, he said.

    Although aircraft sometimes are used, PG&E uses burning devices on stands 8 to 10 feet tall to release silver iodide in a solution of acetone into the air. The devices affect the area around Lassen Peak and southeast to Lake Almanor.

    The outdoor-barbecue-sized propane burners are used for 30 to 50 days a year, from Nov. 1 to May 31, and only during snowstorms, Marler said. The goal is to encourage more snow and build up the annual snowpack, he said.

    The process doesn’t form a contrail, nor does it release the heavy metals some Shasta County residents are concerned about, Marler said.

    After Tuesday’s meeting, Wigington called Mull’s high-dollar estimate “ridiculous.”

    He thinks it was the main reason the air pollution board gave little or no consideration Tuesday to conducting air, soil or water tests, he said.

    “I think they did what they could, based on an absolute lie,” said Wigington, a 46-year-old renewable energy consultant from Bella Vista.

    Instead, board members voted 4-0 to send DVD copies of Tuesday’s videotaped meeting to state and federal agencies to illustrate the concerns of some residents. Chairwoman Linda Hartman was absent.

    Supervisor Mark Cibula had asked that the issue be put on the agenda at the request of its proponents, but said in Tuesday’s meeting that he didn’t think it warranted further action, such as in a letter supporting testing.

    “I don’t think we’re in a position to state advocacy,” he said.

    Reporter Kimberly Ross can be reached at 225-8339 or at

  8. jasminetee

    jasminetee Member

    It's a worldwide phenomenon I know that much. I've read about pilots who have disclosed that they have seen x-tra tanks going on planes and that they suspect it might contain the material being sprayed in our skies but they were told to mind their own business.

    I read about this topic from time to time. I'm interested in seeing what comes of it.


    BILLCAMO New Member

    Vapor trails have "followed" airplanes for many years. What we can see is the water vapor/ice crystals.

    BUT , planes burn fossil fuels. So there is more in the trail than meets the eye.

    If you don't believe me , start up your car and take a big whiff from the tail pipe.

    Blessings ,

  10. jasminetee

    jasminetee Member

    normal contrails right next to planes that are making abnormal chemtrails. Look it up on YouTube if you don't believe me. People always say, show me a video of this. Well there's like 10,000 (slight exaggeration) videos of this phenomenon on YouTube with more being posted every day.

    Even large news stations cover it and they're baffled too.

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