cheney research website

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by consuegra, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. consuegra

    consuegra New Member

    I am not sure if someone else has posted this, but the cheneyresearch.com website is up and running. Access to this site is provided for a fee.

    Chris
  2. street129

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  3. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    You can probably access this information if you do a search, however it may be copyrighted.

    If he is such a great human being fighting for out cause, he would not charge a fee.

    I think Cheney has really gone off the deep end since his heart transplant.

    Sad to think when these doctors who are the "supposed experts" become money hungry.

    I agree, no thanks!!!

    gap

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  4. Ben Dipic

    Ben Dipic New Member

    To be fair, I have heard (from a source that I very much trust and respect) that Dr.Cheney lives most modestly; the large fees he charges allow him to maintain doing what he is doing. I don't think it's fair to just assume that he is "in it for the money".

    I'd also have to agree with another poster's sentiment (in a thread not to far back) that no one is forcing you to see him (or in this case, pay a fee to receive certain benefits from his site). And regardless of whether or not you do, we (the entire ME/CFS community) still benefit from the research he does.

    -Ben
  5. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    This is not cynicism. It is my opinion which I have a right to express. If someone does not agree, that's fine.

    gap

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  6. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    Dr. Cheney's research is breathtaking and way ahead of the curve in this field I might add, but I suppose one wouldn't know that devoid of access (and he has been somewhat forced by the "hallowed" medical institution towards an unorthodox approach anyhow - if many of you only knew what a force of advocacy this guy has been behind the scenes). In time, his research will, as it always has, disseminate out into the public, and I can feel with some degree of confidence that my "contributions" to his practice are a form of charitable donation insomuch as this happens with the passing of time.

    Dr. Cheney does not know how many years he has left on this earth in the wake of his heart transplant, and he could easily hang it up. But he is on a personal crusade, and I believe he feels that it is this very mission that keeps him alive. In fact, it was that very heart transplant that cultivated his "eureka" moment, in terms of both recognizing the cardiomyopathy in CFIDS (diastolic dysfunction) and the fact that a very sensitive, high resolution echo could be used DIAGNOSTICALLY to assess the degree of the disability and the impact of various modalities on "free energy" and the efficiency of energy utilization directly.

    As far as effectiveness, I can say with certainty that Dr. Cheney has REVERSED my diastolic dysfunction completely and it is a FUNCTIONAL cure, not just a diagnostic one. If his theory is correct, he has also reversed my methylation block (which he perceives to be a DEFENSIVE, compensatory response in this disease NOT TO BE FORCEFULLY unhinged).

    He is one of the most brilliant men I have ever met (he has a PhD in atomic physics which has also helped him unravel his notion of the redox state and free energy physics in the body). He has adopted a Russian orphan girl, who he is raising with his wife. He is in constant contact with the very HIGHEST acclaimed physicians and scientists in his field, and frankly, I believe he is THE epicenter, or at least his work will explain the peripheral findings coming from some esteemed institutions.

    But even if none of this were true, God forbid a highly-skilled capitalist should levy a fee for his work, relative to the degree of value offered. God forbid that a physician who got a "late start" on his career would attempt to run a for-profit practice (especially when his echo machine alone probably cost as much as the median upper middle class home). How easily we forget the notion that we were endowed with the rights to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, and feel entitled to a home, a job for life, a guaranteed pension, and a lifetime of statins or insulin or anti-depressants for FREE. Presto - it's magic, just like "cheap" Canadian medicines (subsidized by profit centers elsewhere), and no money down homes backed by the full faith and credit of the federal government (the taxpayer). Big Ben Bernanke can just keep printing money out of thin air and monetizing the debt. No ramifications whatsoever. Nope. And the circus goes on. Incredulous. Those greedy, evil innovators. Without them, we'd still be living in the dark ages.

    Anyway, I'm done with my rant. I am frequenting this board less and less because of the level of misunderstanding and misdirection. And it's a shame for those who may actually want to listen. Frankly, this board offers very little of actual substance anyway. But then again, I can't blame people for ignorance.



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  7. Ben Dipic

    Ben Dipic New Member

    "It is my opinion which I have a right to express."

    No, absolutely. Perhaps I shouldn't have called you cynical. I didn't mean that as an attack, but I just wanted to offer a different perspective on the matter. And I see the person whom I was referring to in my post (RunningAntelope) has posted himself.

    "Thanks for bumping the moderator's thread. Good information."

    Er, I have no idea what you're talking about. :p
  8. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    There is nothing wrong about bumping a post. I have done it myself. I was just thanking you.

    gap
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  9. Ben Dipic

    Ben Dipic New Member

    I don't believe so either. In any case, I can't blame you for wanting to come here less (no, really, I actually completely understand where you're coming from) but I want you to know that I truly value and appreciate the knowledge and insight you have brought to these boards. gap too, as well as a handful of others included are the reason I continue to come to here (even after being, er... prohibited... once). I... think it's a shame differences in opinion or misunderstandings are taken personal because I know you are all well intentioned, and as I said, have truly brought a lot (...the substance that there /is/) to this place.

    I hope that neither you nor any of the other people I'm referring to become /completely/ deterred from visiting.

    edit: gap, I have to admit, I was being facetious there. Check your messages on cort's forum. :)

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  10. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    Uh okay. I just hope it is funny. My brain is also fried, LOL!!

    gap
  11. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    Ben, I appreciate the nice repost, though I don't need any adulation, as it were. But there is a huge difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed one. Opinions are like you know what as they say...

    I simply hope we all find meaning and insight in our suffering without the uninvited libeling of others.
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  12. Ben Dipic

    Ben Dipic New Member

    Heh, no worries; I definitely hear ya. I've practically been in constant a state of delirium lately. (Not quite but it's been pretty bad...)

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  13. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    Cort Johnson at Phoenix Rising said that to access Cheney's Website it costs $50. A month!!

    Conseula, thanks for providing this information.

    gap
  14. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    The horror! Well, that's not what I paid. Anyway, you get what you pay for as they say. And if it's free, there's probably a good reason. As I posted above, his echo machine alone probably cost a lot more than your house. Who knows what his malpractice insurance costs? He has two staff members and a specialized echocardiographer (it took two years to refine the technique). He pays rent and his office/lab is enormous. Shameful that he doesn't give his services for free. Oh, and did I mention that he's disabled himself and still works tirelessly to solve this puzzle?

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  15. gapsych

    gapsych New Member


    I am not talking about what Cheney charges for his medical services but the cost of being able to access the information on his website.

    Websites where you can access medical journals don't charge this much.

    BTW, I don't own a house anymore.

    gap
  16. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    It should've been obvious from the tenor of my reply that I knew you were referring to the website, but believe it or not, you almost get more from the website than seeing him in person, simply because there's SO much information overload (though the echo terrain map done at his office is the crux of it all). We have ALL lost much, but the point, as I made in my first post here, is that he has exorbitant costs and liabilities to address, not the least of which is a WEBSITE ADMINISTRATOR. His echo machine alone probably cost more than the average upper-middle class home in the US, regardless of whether or not that applies to you or me.



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  17. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    You really FELT the need to post that and in the manner you did, eh? I mean, REALLY? Wow.

    Well I guess it's the same sentiment I feel toward any and all "advice" and "legitimate skepticism" you've ever posted here. Kudos.

    Tis true that you can't help those who don't want to help themselves.
  18. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    Ironically enough yesfool, you'd probably find a kindred spirit in Dr. Cheney if you only knew that he ACTUALLY posts some of his ruminations/debate with his "peers" (including the standard methylation protocol, mold toxicity, and anti-viral approaches), frequently challenging their theories and treatment protocols to the extent they are potentially incorrect, incomplete, or based on a false premise. And I am grateful, because one gets to see ALL SIDES of the argument and the scientific nuancing.


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  19. Slayadragon

    Slayadragon New Member

    Consuegra, thanks much for posting the info about Dr. Cheney's site. I most certainly am looking forward to reading or hearing whatever he has to say.

    I would imagine it takes Dr. Cheney a good bit of time to organize this material and put it up on the web. There certainly are lots of other things he has to do with his time.

    Considering how often I've gone back to the informal write-ups that some of his patients have posted (e.g. the info on the Th1/Th2 shift), I'm really grateful that more of his work will be available for all of us to access.

    While some patients obviously will access the site, my real hope is that other doctors will subscribe to it and start to use some of Dr. Cheney's newer treatments in their own practices. Thus, those CFS sufferers who cannot afford to become patients of Dr. Cheney will be able to benefit from his work.

    Like it or not, top U.S. physicians in their fields usually earn substantial incomes as a result of their affiliations with hospitals and prominent practices. An unusual exception to this rule are doctors who specialize in CFS, which is not an illness that many (or actually any) top-rated healthcare institutions recognize as legitimate. That being the case, I think that we're lucky that a physician of Dr. Cheney's caliber has chosen to take CFS on as his life's work.

    While I have no direct knowledge of how much money he takes from his practice for his own use, I sincerely doubt that his personal income is as high as that of prominent doctors in other fields. And while I've heard a good many patients complain about the large amount of money they've spent on other CFS specialists (particularly the FFC's), I've yet to hear any of Dr. Cheney's patients express that sort of unhappiness with his care. I tend to think he must be providing them with something worthwhile, therefore.

    RunningAntelope, thanks much for continuing to contribute to this board.


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  20. RunningAntelope

    RunningAntelope New Member

    I have family in town and am juggling my kids right now, so I will post more later. And, frankly, I'm really not sure what I'm at liberty to discuss (Cheney has rleased DVDs in the past with tons of useful information, including treatment protocol). In the meantime, go back and do a search by my user name over the past two or three years. It goes over some of the protocol. But, yes, the cell-signaling factors have been a huge part of the therapy (they are like very robust forms of nexavir but more systemic), which, along with hawthorn, seemed to help initially in the beginning. Acetyl-L-carnitine gives a negative energy flashback and is not recommended, but I believe the reduced form of C0Q10 (idebenone?) is.

    As to nofool, the coment about name calling is a tad bit ironic, since you've been in the business of disparaging Dr. Cheney for some time now, this thread included. The "SSRis fry brain cells" comment really irked you it seems, since Goldstein's approach of throwing a bunch of medicine at the wall to see what sticks seemed to have worked for you. As far as I know, you don't even have CFIDS. Maybe you have an environmental or depressive-illness, devoid of all the AIDS-like immune suppression that I myself experienced. Nevermind that there is a whole body of literature out there that does, in fact, show, that some brain drugs do, in fact, FRY brain cells. Nevermind the fact that Cheney evolves, and he has not, EVEN ONCE, ever mentioned to me that brain drugs fry brain cells (I am even on three different ones).

    As for the amalgams comment, we all know that mercury poisoning can have huge repercussions in biochemistry and ROS perptuation, and as to the stem cells comment, there is also medical literature (I have read it) suggesting major brain and gut repair in illnesses like Crohns, MS, parkinsons, and autism from the administration of both umbilical derived and autologous fat derived stem cells. But it seems that the cell signaling factors and the nascent CSFs the stem cells themselves utilize are major drivers in this process. I have enough education in immunology, virology, bacteriology, and cardiology to evaluate all of this stuff for myself. And I have WITNESSED the results myself. You need to check your "holier than thou" attitude, and not everyone on the board has assigned you the role of "lone board cynic judge and jury" and you might just keep that in mind.

    Forgive me for not editing this post. I am in a hurry.