Cold sores anyone?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by fibrobutterfly, Apr 20, 2007.

  1. I don't know if it is proper to put this on the fibro board. BUT anyone know of something OC that really helps the pain/itching/burning of cold sores. I hate them. UGH!
  2. jennbug

    jennbug New Member

    I have had them since childhood. I now use lysine
    cold stick from the health food store. I have been cold sore free for years.
    jenn.
  3. Hmmm I will have to check it out, thanks. I have been taking lysine supplements, but they didn't work this time.
  4. wyattsmom

    wyattsmom New Member

    I have cold sores right now and they are driving me crazy! Any suggestions are very welcomed! Thank you for starting this post!

    What works for you?
  5. Bailey-smom

    Bailey-smom New Member

    I get them when stressed - I take Lyposene suppliments in the vitamin isle at the drug store. It usually helps over night for me but it may take a couple days. I think it is the same as what others have suggested above:)

    It is worth a try!
  6. Me again, I started this thread, but I forgot to add I was using zilactin but it was burning so bad I quit. It seems to dry it up but OMG! Now I am using carmex which is only about 1.50 a tube it slightly helps but wanted to know other ideas. Thanks!

    By the way I have been taking alka seltzer plus for the cold I had before these horrible things.

    I have gotten these nasty things all my life as far back as I remember.
  7. poeticbobbi

    poeticbobbi New Member

    I usually get them inside my bottom lip.I was told by the doctor it was from yeast. But she didn't say what to do other rinsing with warm salt water several times a day.Phooey!!!!
  8. What is weird it says people low in B 12 are more susceptible to cold sores and I am low , getting injections. Plus people low in calcium being more susceptable, I take a high dose of calcium. And I was surprised to see the high dosage of lysine.


    Cold Sores
    A.K.A. Fever Blisters
    (See also: remedies for canker sores)


    Cold sores (fever blisters) are small red blisters that usually appear on the lips and outer edges of the mouth. They often weep a clear liquid and form scabs after a few days. They are sometimes confused with impetigo, which usually develops between the nose and upper lip. Fluid that weeps from impetigo is cloudy and honey-colored.

    Causes
    Cold sores are usually caused by herpes virus, which can lay dormant in the body and becomes active later when something triggers it. There is no cure for cold sores, but there are remedies you can use that will reduce the severity and frequency of them. Cold sores may appear after colds, fevers, exposure to the sun, stress, during menstruation, or for no apparent reason. Generally it is felt that anything that compromises the immune system may trigger the cold sores, such as infection, cancer or any illness.

    Medical research in England found that many people with cold sores were low in B12, and that by adding 250 mcg. of B12 the condition improved rapidly. This research also suggested taking B complex supplements with emphasis on the B12 and folic acid. Without some of the treatments listed below cold sores may last from 10-14 days. If the sores last longer than two weeks or occur frequently, it is advisable to see your healthcare provider.

    Diet may be another culprit. Researchers have found that the ratio of the amino acids arginine and lysine plays an important part in controlling (not curing!) cold sores. Arginine aids the growth and reproduction of the herpes virus, while lysine inhibits it. Foods containing chocolate, peanuts and other nuts, grains, peas, seeds, oatmeal and whole-wheat products should be cut out or reduced from the diet. These foods are high in arginine. Check with your nutritionist for foods that contain these amino acids. Brewer's yeast is beneficial. See remedy below for recommendations on taking lysine. Coffee can increase the frequency of cold sore flare-ups in individuals who are already infected with the virus.

    Cold sores may indicate a deficiency in calcium. One sign of a calcium deficiency is biting your nails. Take a calcium supplement and see if the problem improves.

    Many people can generally feel a cold sore coming on as they are aware of a tingling, burning or itching sensation. They may also have a fever, enlargement of lymph nodes close to the sores, or a general feeling of malaise.

    If you have a cold sore already, pop the sore so it will drain and be able to dry out and heal faster.

    Wellness Program
    Prevention
    Prevention of cold sores is advisable. Herpes simplex is highly contagious! Avoid kissing someone with cold sores or having sex with someone who has genital herpes. Exposure to sun triggers one in four cases of cold sores. Use a sunscreen of at least 15 SPF on your lips and other susceptible areas. If stress triggers them, practice relaxation techniques. Don't use the same towels, razors or utensils as someone with cold sores. Replace your toothbrush when you feel the tingling sensation at the outbreak of an attack, after the blister breaks and when the sore is gone and be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after touching the sores.

    As part of a preventive program for people who get cold sores frequently it is a good idea to boost your immune system. Try taking the herbs echinacea and goldenseal to boost immune system. See Immune System in our Ailments section for other products and information.


    Supplements
    Vitamin C Take 200-500 mg. of vitamin C along with 200-500 mg. of citrus bioflavonoids three times a day. This remedy will greatly reduce the duration of the sores.

    Vitamin E, applied topically, will provide pain relief.

    Yogurt Eating plain yogurt (with acidophilus) with live cultures is a good preventive measure. Heat-treated yogurt won't work. People who have added yogurt to their daily diet have discovered that they don't get cold sores, or very few. Yogurt seems to stimulate the immune system.

    Zinc Using zinc has been reported to reduce the duration of cold sores. Applied topically, it speeds healing. Zinc tablets may also help, but don't take more than 15 mg for more than a week or so without medical supervision. Take up to 60 mg a day for the first week.

    Traditional Treatment
    Traditional treatments using antibiotics can cause headaches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and worse yet, prolonged use can cause drug-resistant strains of the herpes virus!

    Remedies
    Folk
    Acidophilus Take four acidophilus capsules three or four times a day with milk. The milk is an activating culture medium for the bacilli. This will soothe the sore and speed up healing. If you do this when you feel a burning or itching at the onset of the cold sore, this remedy may inhibit the formation of the lesion.

    Aloe When the tingling starts, try rubbing juice from an aloe plant on the affected area. If you are traveling, take a bottle of aloe gel with you just in case a sore begins. This remedy is especially effective if used at the first sign of a cold sore, but will also stop it later on, too, and will begin the healing process immediately and keep the sore from "blossoming."

    Chaparral Native Americans used the herb chaparral (Larrea tridentata) as a remedy for colds and viruses, arthritis, burns, sores and other problems. Recently a company has patented a product called Larreastat derived from chaparral that has proven very effective in deactivating certain viruses, relieving inflammation and clearing up certain skin conditions. The product comes in capsules and a spray, which provides almost instant relief from cold sore pain.

    Cornstarch Apply a cornstarch paste.

    Camphor Have your pharmacist mix up some spirits of camphor and dab it on the sore with a cotton ball.

    DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) Dab it on the sores twice daily with your fingers or a cotton ball. It stops the growth of the virus by penetrating right to the center of the herpes infection.

    Grapefruit seed extract (GSE) - mix a few drops of GSE with aloe or another liquid, such as olive oil, and dab it on to the sore. GSE is very strong, so use sparingly!

    Ice Another method to ease the pain is to rub an ice cube on the sore for a few minutes. This is especially good to do at the onset of a cold sore. Apply ice every ten minutes for an hour. This process may prevent the movement of the virus from the nerve to the skin.

    Lemon balm (Melissa officinalis) German studies indicated that an extract of lemon balm reduced symptoms and sped the healing process. See mint remedy below.

    Lomatium (Lomatium dissectum) has a long history of use by Native Americans. Research suggests that it may be effective against viruses and is a prime infection fighter. Use an extract instead of a tincture to avoid getting a full-body rash.

    Combine equal parts of tinctures of echinacea, calendula, oats, burdock, and lomatium and take 1/2 teaspoon four or five times a day. This combination of herbs will boost the immune system, soothe inflamed tissues, remove toxins from the body, and kill viruses and bacteria.
    Lysine Many people have reported that taking the amino acid L-lysine has prevented or lessened the duration of their cold sores. Apparently, the herpes virus uses another amino acid, arginine, to grow and replicate while lysine inhibits the virus' ability to replicate itself. Reduce your intake of arginine-containing foods as mentioned above. If you get sores frequently take 1,500 to 3,000 mg. daily as a preventive measure. When you feel a sore coming on, take 3,000 mg daily until the sore crusts over. Experiment with the dosage until you find one that inhibits recurrence by reducing the amount until you find the optimal maintenance dosage, perhaps to 300-600 mg. Lysine may also be applied topically to the sores. If you get a cold sore, taking lysine should shorten the time you have it considerably, generally within five days. Consult your medical practitioner regarding your intake of lysine, especially if you are pregnant or nursing. No amino acid in large doses should be taken for long periods of time. Take the lysine between meals, preferably on an empty stomach.

    Mint A topical application of an extract of the mint family herb Melissa officinalis will speed healing of the sore, often within five days.

    Myrrh Try a tincture of myrrh to relieve the pain.

    Sage Make a tea by adding two or three leaves to a cup of boiling water; steep; add one teaspoon of powdered ginger. Drink several cups a day until the sores are cleared up.

    Tea Steep an ordinary tea bag (preferably Earl Grey) in boiling water for a few minutes; cool; then apply to lesions. Within four or five days the lesions should crust over and disappear.

    Vaseline Vaseline will help ease cracking and dryness.

    Yogurt Yogurt is high in lysine. Most commercial yogurts however have gelatin (may induce a cold sore outbreak) as a thickener, so make sure you read the label! Natural food stores carry gelatin-free yogurts

    Homeopathic
    Natrum muriaticum (Nat mur) This is the first choice for cold sores around the lips and mouth, nose and chin. It's especially useful in the early stages of herpes when the upper lip is swollen but no vesicle - or fluid-containing sac such as a blister - has appeared. You may also have dry, chapped lips, your mouth may be dry and you may be thirsty. Nat mur is indicated if the person is emotionally upset.

    Rhus toxicodendron (poison ivy) The herpes that are relieved by Rhus tox usually burns and itches, and acrid fluid may seep from yellow vesicles. Rhus tox is effective for the tissue crusting that occurs with herpes. Can be used after Nat mur to finish off the cold sore.

    Sepia (cuttlefish ink) People needing sepia have herpatic eruptions around the lips, corners of the mouth and particularly around the nasal area with crusty eruptions inside and on the nose. People needing sepia often have dark circles under their eyes and are exhausted and depressed. Sepia is appropriate for cold sores that occur during pregnancy, before menses or in menopause.

    Dulcamara (bittersweet) People needing this remedy can have thick, brown herpatic crusts with reddish borders. These crusts can bleed when scratched. Dulcamara is appropriate for blisters that appear in clusters and ooze watery fluid. Glandular swelling, burning, stinging and itching sensations may be present. For people needing dulcamara, eruptions of herpes may occur after rain or sudden changes from warm to cold or damp weather. Eruptions are also more likely to appear around menses.

    Hepar sulphuris calcareum (calcium sulphide) This remedy is suitable for eruptions around mouth and lips, occasionally following the path of the nerves across the face or even around or into the eyes. Hepar sulph is needed particularly when herpes vesicles have become infected, indicated by formation of yellow pus. Hepar sulph is the main remedy for painful boils, pimples or abscesses. Hepar sulph can quickly control infection in most cases, averting the need for antibiotics.

  9. Catseye

    Catseye Member

    Whenever you have an outbreak, get some rose oil or rose otto oil. Mix it with lysine (open up a capsule) into a paste and apply a hefty glob over it. Even just rose oil will help if you're not going to be alone and don't want a whitish glob on your face (or anywhere else). The sooner you apply it, the quicker it will go away. Also, taking about 500 mg lysine 3x per day will also help to fend it off quickly. Lysine inhibits herpes viral replication.

    And make sure you don't eat foods with a high arginine to lysine ratio while you're waiting for it to go away. Things like chocolate and nuts are high in arginine. Herpes dot com has a list of foods and the ratio of lysine to arginine. Stick to the foods at the top of the list and avoid those at the bottom while you are having an outbreak.

    The rose oil and lysine is simple and it will also stop the horrible burning and itching although it may aggravate it at first if you don't treat it soon enough. Eventually, it will stop burning and will go away much more quickly than without treatment or even with the old, expensive and useless standby, zovirax.

    best wishes,

    karen
  10. Me again. I saw at the drugstore today they now have an ointment with Lysine in it. I didn't buy any as right now mine has dried up, now to get rid of it.
  11. pspatnode

    pspatnode New Member

    I don't get cold sores but I do get canker sores very frequently. How about anyone else and are they related to cold sores?
  12. I don't think they are related. I do know that cold sores are a virus and have something to do with the chicken pox I think.
    I heard milk of magnesia is good for canker sores.
  13. bobbycat

    bobbycat New Member

    I read up on cold sores on the web and this works like you would not believe. As soon as you start feeling a tingle of one comming on get a Q-tip and put some figure nail polish remover on it and put it on the cold sore and do this until it is gone. Presto gone cold sore. I never have tried this for exterior of the mouth only exterior of the skin. Look it up on the web they have great ideas.
  14. kellyamos

    kellyamos New Member

    Hi Fibro.

    Oh yes, I get the horrible cold sores.. I take 20 MGs of Methotrexate a week for RA and cold sores are the most common side affect. I also have Fibromyalgia and a lot of people posted recommended taking B12, calcium, etc... to help.

    I take mega doses daily of B12, calcium, magnesium, folic acid and on and on but I still get the ole cold sores. I have tried pretty much all of the OTC remedies and none of them work. The absolute best remedy I have found is an ointment called Zovirax. Unfortunately it is by prescription only, but I am willing to bet that your doc would call this in to the pharmacy for you to give it a try. It has worked wonders for me.

    Good luck to you and I do hope you do try this opintment. They also have it in pill form.

    Kelly
  15. thanks for all your replies. OUCH fingernail polish remover sounds like it would BURN! My fil uses BLEACH! OW!
    I did read where if you were low in B12 you are more suseptable to them and I am.
  16. Empower

    Empower New Member

    Hubby gets them bad....brought on by direct sunlight and if he drinks alcohol

    He did take Lysine for awhile

    I have heard that at first appearance of one, put ice on it
  17. richvank

    richvank New Member

    Hi all.

    In CFS, cold sores are common. They are caused by reactivation of latent herpes simplex viruses, usually herpes simplex type 1.

    This is not the only latent virus that reactivates in CFS. Epstein--Barr, cytomegalovirus, and HHV-6 are also common, among the herpes family viruses, and there are also others, such as Coxsackie B and Parvovirus.

    It is possible to use various treatments to control Herpes simplex type 1, such as lysine (3 grams per day or so), and N-acetylcysteine (NAC). It's important not to overdo the latter, though, if you have a high mercury body burden, because it can move mercury into the brain. Something like 300 mg per day should be the limit if you have a lot of mercury. Otherwise, you can go somewhat higher.

    If you want to get to the root cause of these viral reactivations in CFS, though, I think you have to restore the methylation cycle to normal operation. This in turn will get the folate cycle running properly and will also restore the glutathione levels to normal. All of these are important in preventing viral reactivation and in defeeating viral infections if they start.

    If you want to know more about this, I suggest that you click on my name, go to my bio, and check out the urls to the papers I have written about glutathione depletion, methylation cycle block and treatment.

    If you want to track the people on this board who are trying this treaqtment, click on the threads that have "mehtyl" or "methylation" in their titles. These extend back about two months now.

    The treatment I'm suggesting does not involve prescription drugs. It is not very expensive. I am not selling it. I'm not exaggerating. This is not a hoax.

    Rich
  18. puffy1

    puffy1 New Member

    I have recently been getting cold sores frequently not sure why I have not had a problem with cold sores in years and now suddenly I am getting them.

    I hate them and have not had anything to put on them. guess I need to get something and keep it handy now.

    I don't have one now but I could get another one any time.

    Puffy
  19. puffy1

    puffy1 New Member

    is there a difference? mine are on the out side of my lip the last couple of times
  20. bobbycat

    bobbycat New Member

    It stings a little when you first apply it but believe me it is big on the cold sore web site and it works GREAT111. Try it I am not kidding. I do not use anything else now. And if you type in cold sores in your browser and check out some sites you will see Finger nail polish all over the place. I just used it prior to going to Arizona on vacation.