dental question, need info and advice: root canal, or extraction?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Shannonsparkles, Jan 15, 2007.

  1. Shannonsparkles

    Shannonsparkles New Member

    My tooth (back left, bottom) has been aching on and off for about two and a half years. Getting worse. None of the dentists I've seen have seen anything wrong with it on the x-rays.

    I wonder if some bacteria got in there when the filling was broken years ago, because that seems to be when this started. I got the filling replaced. But it still hurts. This year it's been getting more sore at times, and even the gum is tender. I need to decide what to do about it. I appreciate any information that could help.

    The last dentist did a test that showed the tooth was still alive. She gave me the name of an endodontist - a root canal specialist. What should I do? I don't want to have to decide this in the dentist's office when I know so little.

    How dangerous are root canals? Why are they dangerous? Has anyone proved whether root canals are bad for us? Does having a root canal take the infection away? Or does it gave the bacteria an enamel hideout to live in? Does extraction take the infection away? Or does it give further problems? Is there a way to preserve the tooth? Which is better in the long run? I'm 24, so I'll have a lot of years of either having a root canal tooth or no tooth at all.

    A dead tooth packed with stuff is a weird thing to carry around, even if it looks normal and chews. And I read that it's fairly common for root canals to have to be redone. (I'm housebound and can't get to the dentist often enough.) But what about having a permanant blank stretch of gum there? How would I chew? Would the other teeth move out of place? What about how somebody mentioned that even extraction site can harbor bacteria, even - I know this may be rare - gangreene in the pocket where the tooth used to be.

    Has anyone here had a tooth extracted? Can you tell me what it's like to not have it there? Has anyone here had a dental implant, or knows about how they are for us? (If I had an extraction, I suppose I could eventually get an implant, though I can't count on being well enough or having the funds. I'd probably stay toothless for a long time, maybe till old age.)

    Is there something I can do to make the tooth better while it's still alive? Anyone have some advice about how to stop it from being infected, in case I have to go without dental care for some time? (I can only manage a trip out a few times a year - even for something as urgent as a painful tooth.) Anything for pain? I heard that diluted clove oil mixed with activated charcoal helps, but I haven't gotten to try it yet.

    Thanks so much for sharing your info and experiences.
    ((teeth are SO important)) Shannon

    P.S. I have a lot of other fillings, and my teeth don't seem to fit together well when I close my mouth, and my jaw opens in a crooked, bumpy movement with grinding and clicking noises.

    I'm also sensitive to chemicals.[This Message was Edited on 01/16/2007]
  2. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    shannon,

    I know all about root canals and dentists.

    Your questions are what all dentists expect to be asked. You will always have the chance to think over what the replies are before committing yourself. No dentist is going to say that you must decide there and then. More time is needed for a root canal procedure than a check up, so you would never get an appointment to have it done on the same day as the initial consultation anyway, unless perhaps it was a dire emergence.

    You say that x-rays do not show an infection. Does the tooth have a crown? If so, then x-rays would not pass through the metal, so infection could be hidden from view.

    You don’t say why you are housebound. I certainly have had some pains, such as in the shins, that if it was in my mouth I would be convinced I needed all my teeth pulled out. From what you have said, it’s possible that even if you have the tooth out, you may still have the pain, even after recovering from the extraction.

    I read somewhere that the bone of the lower jaw has special properties to resist infection.

    One possibility is that the last filling you had to that tooth is in contact with the nerve inside the tooth. This could happen when you drink or eat something hot and the filling expands, if it’s metal. Depending how long ago it was done, your dentist might redo it free of charge. Otherwise, maybe its sitting proud of the tooth and the corresponding upper tooth is pressing down on it when you bite. If this is the case, then your dentist could just grind a bit of the filling surface away so that the upper tooth fits better. Then again, you say that your gum is sore. Maybe you have a gum problem, and your dentist could recommend a mouthwash?

    One solution is to get a crown on the tooth, and this can be possible without a root canal procedure. Not everyone is suitable for implants, so you will need professional advice on that question.
  3. mejlee

    mejlee New Member

    I am not an expert in this field so I am obviously not qualified to give an profession opinion. But this is my opinion based on experience.

    Keep in mind that just because a tooth is root canaled does not always mean an end to the pain. You may need to get a crown after the root canal is done. This is something I would suggest you ask your dentist about. (I found this out the hard way.) The tooth I had root canaled had a small virtually undetectable crack. I acts up about 3 or 4 times a yr. I have been told that the only way to "fix" it would be to get a crown. It took several dentist apointments to find the crack. Yes, the crack was that small.

    Personally, I think if you can save a tooth, you should do anything financially possible, but bad teeth run in my family. (I understand that root-canals and crowns are not financially possible for everyone, but not all dentists get that. Do not let anyone bully you.) I have stayed on top of things and still have a mouth full of beautiful teeth. This ment 4 root canals, 2 crowns, and 2 vinners. The last root canal is the one that needs to be crowned. My sister didn't and has had to have 8 teeth pulled in the last 3 yrs. If you asked just the two of us. We would both go with the root canal even if it meant a crown later on.

    I also want to add. Check the side effects listed on any medications. I know for a fact that both Cyclobenzaprine/Flexeril and Gabapentin/Neurontin list dental problems as a side effect. I do have to remind my dentist everytime I go in. This could be adding to your issue.[This Message was Edited on 01/16/2007]
  4. Kimba4318

    Kimba4318 New Member

    Have been having problems for a while now with my teeth. Just last week had to have yet another root canal on an emergency basis due to infection and pain. 6 months ago I went in and had a problem with a tooth that had a root canal already and next thing I knew, they removed it and put a post in there and I am due to get the implant/tooth put in soon.

    YOu need to have a consult with all of these questions real soon, before you get to the "emergency" pain point. I made that mistake several times and I am not sure I made all of the right decisions.

    Also, regarding your uneven bite.. when you go in for the consult, they need to shave your teeth down a bit to correct your bite. THat ALONE can cause referred pain in several areas of your mouth that may not even need work. MOuth pain is very tricky. I went in one time just KNOWING I needed a root canal....and all it was is that my bite needed adjusted. I hope that is the case for you.

    Let us know how you are doing...
    Hugs
    Kim
  5. bunnyfluff

    bunnyfluff Member

    Kim gave good advice.

    A new filling that has a "high" spot can give all sorts of horrible pain. They can check with the blue paper when you tap your teeth. They can pull it out of occlusion by grinding it down. I had a new crown that was giving me all kinds of grief for this very reason!!

    I have had massive amounts of dental & orthodontic work done, most recently I had all of the silver removed, and either crowned or replaced with the composite fillings. They are not always right, but can be modified to fit your bite if they are bothering you.

    Also, you may grind your teeth in your sleep, and put undue pressure in that area without realizing it.

    I am cetainly not a dental expert, but I have had lots of work done, so I hope this helps.
  6. TKE

    TKE New Member

    >My tooth (back left, bottom) <
    Are you talking "molar". Is this a "Wisdom tooth"? If so & it were me I'd have it pulled. A root canal in that area, that would be under constant pressure from chewing will not last the rest of your life. If it were a side or front tooth then I'd have the root canal done. The choice must be yours tho. A root canal may require a couple to several trips to the dentist to have it completed. Allot depends on how much you have to have done.

    This site:

    http://www.animated-teeth.com/root_canal/t1_root_canal.htm

    explains all about root canals in detail with animated pics on the whole procedure. It will answer all of your questions, i.e. infection/crowns/pulling vs root canal, teeth shifting, cost, etc. There's lots of pages, but I found the info very easy to understand & the font was easy on the eyes too.

    Dental Implants are very expensive & they can take many visits to complete.

    Also I would NOT let any dentist shave or file your teeth down. I had my bottom front ones done, as they kept hitting my upper front teeth all the time. I regreted it ever since, as I can no longer bite some foods. You loose that natural beveled edge your teeth have when they shave/file them. One thing they could do is change/alter your bite with bite plates. They're sort of like a retainer you'd wear after braces.

    If you have no jaw pain when you chew then don't go let them talk you into surgery. Many people have this, my Huz included. His jaw pops/cracks/etc with each chew, I can hear & see it, but he has no pain. Our dentist told us as long as you can eat pain free then avoid surgery.

    Make sure you list all of your health problems, medications, etc, when you see the dentist.

  7. Daisys

    Daisys Member

    Hoo, boy. I have one tooth extracted, several crowns, one implant, two root canals--both crowned. One of the root canalled, crowned teeth will soon be extracted and replaced with an implant. (Thanks, Mom, Dad never had a cavity in his live, but do I get his teeth?)

    The one tooth that was extracted was at the very end, and the tooth next to it keeps the opposing tooth in line, so it's worked out well. I can chew on that side of the mouth fine.

    One implant is because the root broke, so the entire tooth had to come out, and it's in the middle of a major chewing area. I don't notice it being different from my real teeth, except it collects more stuff to be flossed out.

    The other implant is a tooth that died because the roots are too short, and there may be infection up in the unfilled area.

    As you can see, it's on a case by case basis, and the only way to know what to do in your case is by consultation with your dentist.

    My insurance is pretty good, but still, I have a very expensive mouth! I have a great dentist, and he spends a lot of time with the blue paper to get the bite just so. Hope you find a good, reasonable solution.
  8. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    wakemeup,

    You would originally have had four #6 teeth, and you may well still have all four!

    In the UK, and maybe the same in the US, teeth are numbered from the front, left and right, upper and lower jaw. So with respect to the top front two teeth, the one on the left (your left) is UL1, the one on the right (your right) is UR1. And the one on the bottom left is LL1, and on the right is LR1, and so on. So the tooth left of UL1 is UL2, and so on. And the one right of LR1 is LR2, if you see what I mean.

    So anyone with the complete set of 32 will have: on the upper jaw, UL1 through UL8, and UR1 through UR8; and on the lower jaw, LL1 through LL8 and LR1 through LR8.

    So now you know how to impress a dentist!
  9. pam_d

    pam_d New Member

    You've gotten some good advice from experts here. I'm NOT one, just someone who's had a couple of root canals. My last one was done at a time when my resistence was very low, my immune system awful---I had leukemia, but didn't know it yet (I ended up getting diagnosed with that I think 3-4 days later). But even with all that, the root canal itself ended going OK, not too much pain or discomfort afterward. I had to wait awhile for a permanent crown while I was dealing with the leukemia and chemo, etc.

    Part of the reason, though, that I chose a root canal was that even though this was a back tooth, I did use it to chew on...I may have been able to get by without it, but my dentist did bring up the fact that without this tooth, my other teeth would probably shift around, both the ones on the bottom where this tooth is, but also the one on the top that it rests against when I chew.

    Bring up all your concerns to the endodontist---as someone said, they deal with this all the time, and are well versed in explaining all your options.

    Good luck---I hate making decisions about teeth, too, and it's all so expensive!

    (((Hugs)))
    Pam
  10. darude

    darude New Member

    Root Canals Dangerous 12/15/06 04:55 PM

    An Interview with George Meinig, D.D.S.

    Dr. Meinig brings a most curious perspective to an expose of latent dangers of root canal therapy - fifty years ago he was one of the founders of the American Association of Endodontists (root canal specialists)! So he's filled his share of root canals. And when he wasn't filling canals himself, he was teaching the technique to dentists across the country at weekend seminars and clinics.

    About two years ago, having recently retired, he decided to read all 1174 pages of the detailed research of Dr. Weston Price, (D.D.S). Dr. Meinig was startled and shocked. Here was valid documentation of systemic illnesses resulting from latent infections lingering in filled roots. He has since written a book, Root Canal Cover Up Exposed - Many Illnesses Result", and is devoting himself to radio, TV, and personal appearances before groups in an attempt to blow the whistle and alert the public.

    MJ Please explain what the problem is with root canal therapy.

    GM First, let me note that my book is based on Dr. Weston Price's twenty-five years of careful, impeccable research. He led a 60-man team of researchers whose findings - suppressed until now rank right up there with the greatest medical discoveries of all time. This is not the usual medical story of a prolonged search for the difficult-to-find causative agent of some devastating disease. Rather, it's the story of how a "cast of millions" (of bacteria) become entrenched inside the structure of teeth and end up causing the largest number of diseases ever traced to a single source.

    MJ What diseases? Can you give us some examples?

    GM Yes, a high percentage of chronic degenerative diseases can originate from root filled teeth. The most frequent were heart and circulatory diseases and he found 16 different causative agents for these. The next most common diseases were those of the joints, arthritis and rheumatism. In third place - but almost tied for second - were diseases of the brain and nervous system. After that, any disease you can name might (and in some cases has) come from root filled teeth.

    Let me tell you about the research itself. Dr. Price undertook his investigations in 1900. He continued until 1925, and published his work in two volumes in 1923. In 1915 the National Dental Association (which changed its name a few years later to The American Dental Association) was so impressed with his work that they appointed Dr. Price their first Research Director. His Advisory Board read like a Who's Who in medicine and dentistry for that era. They represented the fields of bacteriology, pathology, rheumatology, surgery, chemistry, and cardiology.

    At one point in his writings Dr. Price made this observation: "Dr. Frank Billings (M.D.), probably more than any other American internist, is due credit for the early recognition of the importance of streptococcal focal infections in systemic involvements."

    What's really unfortunate here is that very valuable information was covered up and totally buried some 70 years ago by a minority group of autocratic doctors who just didn't believe or couldn't grasp - the focal infection theory.

    MJ What is the "focal infection" theory?

    GM This states that germs from a central focal infection - such as teeth, teeth roots, inflamed gum tissues, or maybe tonsils - metastasize to hearts, eyes, lungs, kidneys, or other organs, glands and tissues, establishing new areas of the same infection. Hardly theory any more, this has been proven and demonstrated many times over. It's 100% accepted today. But it was revolutionary thinking during World War I days, and the early 1920's!

    Today, both patients and physicians have been "brain washed" to think that infections are less serious because we now have antibiotics. Well, yes and no. In the case of root-filled teeth, the no longer-living tooth lacks a blood supply to its interior. So circulating antibiotics don't faze the bacteria living there because they can't get at them.

    MJ You're assuming that ALL root-filled teeth harbor bacteria and/or other infective agents?

    GM Yes. No matter what material or technique is used - and this is just as true today - the root filling shrinks minutely, perhaps microscopically. Further and this is key - the bulk of solid appearing teeth, called the dentin, actually consists of miles of tiny tubules. Microscopic organisms lurking in the maze of tubules simply migrate into the interior of the tooth and set up housekeeping. A filled root seems to be a favorite spot to start a new colony.

    One of the things that makes this difficult to understand is that large, relatively harmless bacteria common to the mouth, change and adapt to new conditions. They shrink in size to fit the cramped quarters and even learn how to exist (and thrive!) on very little food. Those that need oxygen mutate and become able to get along without it. In the process of adaptation these formerly friendly "normal" organisms become pathogenic (capable of producing disease) and more virulent (stronger) and they produce much more potent toxins.

    Today's bacteriologists are confirming the discoveries of the Price team of bacteriologists. Both isolated in root canals the same strains of streptococcus, staphylococcus and spirochetes.

    MJ Is everyone who has ever had a root canal filled made ill by it?

    GM No. We believe now that every root canal filling does leak and bacteria do invade the structure. But the variable factor is the strength of the person's immune system. Some healthy people are able to control the germs that escape from their teeth into other areas of the body. We think this happens because their immune system lymphocytes (white blood cells) and other disease fighters aren't constantly compromised by other ailments. In other words, they are able to prevent those new colonies from taking hold in other tissues throughout the body. But over time, most people with root filled teeth do seem to develop some kinds of systemic symptoms they didn't have before.

    MJ It's really difficult to grasp that bacteria are imbedded deep in the structure of seemingly-hard, solid looking teeth.

    GM I know. Physicians and dentists have that same problem, too. You really have to visualize the tooth structure - all of those microscopic tubules running through the dentin. In a healthy tooth, those tubules transport a fluid that carries nourishment to the inside. For perspective, if the tubules of a front single-root tooth, were stretched out on the ground they'd stretch for three miles!

    A root filled tooth no longer has any fluid circulating through it, but the maze of tubules remains. The anaerobic bacteria that live there seem remarkably safe from antibiotics. The bacteria can migrate out into surrounding tissue where they can "hitch hike" to other locations in the body via the bloodstream. The new location can be any organ or gland or tissue, and the new colony will be the next focus of infection in a body plagued by recurrent or chronic infections.

    All of the "building up" done to try to enhance the patient's ability to fight infections - to strengthen their immune system - is only a holding action. Many patients won't be well until the source of infection - the root canal tooth - is removed.

    MJ I don't doubt what you're saying, but can you tell us more about how Dr. Price could be sure that arthritis or other systemic conditions and illnesses really originated in the teeth - or in a single tooth?

    GM Yes. Many investigations start with the researcher just being curious about something - and then being scientifically careful enough to discover an answer, and then prove it's so, many times over. Dr. Price's first case is very well documented. He removed an infected tooth from a woman who suffered from severe arthritis. As soon as he finished with the patient, he implanted the tooth beneath the skin of a healthy rabbit. Within 48 hours the rabbit was crippled with arthritis!

    Further, once the tooth was removed the patient's arthritis improved dramatically. This clearly suggested that the presence of the infected tooth was a causative agent for both that patient's and the rabbit's - arthritis.

    [Editor's Note - Here's the story of that first patient from Dr. Meinig's book: "(Dr. Price) had a sense that, even when (root canal therapy) appeared successful, teeth containing root fillings remained infected. That thought kept prying on his mind, haunting him each time a patient consulted him for relief from some severe debilitating disease for which the medical profession could find no answer. Then one day while treating a woman who had been confined to a wheelchair for six years from severe arthritis, he recalled how bacterial cultures were taken from patients who were ill and then inoculated into animals in an effort to reproduce the disease and test the effectiveness of drugs on the disease.

    With this thought in mind, although her (root filled) tooth looked fine, he advised this arthritic patient, to have it extracted. He told her he was going to find out what it was about this root filled tooth that was responsible for her suffering. "All dentists know that sometimes arthritis and other illnesses clear up if bad teeth are extracted. However, in this case, all of her teeth appeared in satisfactory condition and the one containing this rootcanal filling showed no evidence or symptoms of infection. Besides, it looked normal on x-ray pictures.

    "Immediately after Dr. Price extracted the tooth he dismissed the patient and embedded her tooth under the skin of a rabbit. In two days the rabbit developed the same kind of crippling arthritis as the patient - and in ten days it died.

    "..The patient made a successful recovery after the tooth's removal! She could then walk without a cane and could even do fine needlework again. That success led Dr. Price to advise other patients, afflicted with a wide variety of treatment defying illnesses, to have any root filled teeth out."]

    In the years that followed, he repeated this procedure many hundreds of times. He later implanted only a portion of the tooth to see if that produced the same results. It did. He then dried the tooth, ground it into powder and injected a tiny bit into several rabbits. Same results, this time producing the same symptoms in multiple animals.

    Dr. Price eventually grew cultures of the bacteria and injected them into the animals. Then he went a step further. He put the solution containing the bacteria through a filter small enough to catch the bacteria. So when he injected the resulting liquid it was free of any infecting bacteria. Did the test animals develop the illness? Yes. The only explanation was that the liquid had to contain toxins from the bacteria, and the toxins were also capable of causing disease.

    Dr. Price became curious about which was the more potent infective agent, the bacteria or the toxin. He repeated that last experiment, injecting half the animals with the toxin-containing liquid and half of them with the bacteria from the filter. Both groups became ill, but the group injected with the toxins got sicker and died sooner than the bacteria injected animals.

    MJ That's amazing. Did the rabbits always develop the same disease the patient had?

    GM Mostly, yes. If the patient had heart disease the rabbit got heart disease. If the patient had kidney disease the rabbit got kidney disease, and so on. Only occasionally did a rabbit develop a different disease - and then the pathology would be quite similar, in a different location.

    MJ If extraction proves necessary for anyone reading this, do you want to summarize what's special about the extraction technique?

    GM Just pulling the tooth is not enough when removal proves necessary. Dr. Price found bacteria in the tissues and bone just adjacent to the tooth's root. So we now recommend slow-speed drilling with a burr, to remove one millimeter of the entire bony socket. The purpose is to remove the periodontal ligament (which is always infected with toxins produced by streptococcus bacteria living in the dentin tubules) and the first millimeter of bone that lines the socket (which is usually infected).

    There's a whole protocol involved, including irrigating with sterile saline to assure removal of the contaminated bone chips, and treating the socket to stimulate and encourage infection-free healing. I describe the procedure in detail, step by step, in my book [pages 185 and 186].

    MJ Perhaps we should back up and talk about oral health - to PREVENT needing an extraction. Caries or inflamed gums seem much more common than root canals. Do they pose any threat?

    GM Yes, they absolutely do. But let me point out that we can't talk about oral health apart from total health. The problem is that patients and dentists alike haven't come around to seeing that dental caries reflect systemic - meaning "whole body" - illness. Dentists have learned to restore teeth so expertly that both they and their patients have come to regard tooth decay as a trivial matter. It isn't.

    Small cavities too often become big cavities. Big cavities too often lead to further destruction and the eventual need for root canal treatment.

    MJ Then talk to us about prevention.

    GM The only scientific way to prevent tooth decay is through diet and nutrition. Dr. Ralph Steinman did some outstanding, landmark research at Loma Linda University. He injected a glucose solutioninto mice - into their bodies, so the glucose didn't even touch their teeth. Then he observed the teeth for any changes. What he found was truly astonishing. The glucose reversed the normal flow of fluid in the dentin tubules, resulting in all of the test animals developing severe tooth decay! Dr. Steinman demonstrated dramatically what I said a minute ago: Dental caries reflect systemic illness.

    Let's take a closer look to see how this might happen. Once a tooth gets infected and the cavity gets into the nerve and blood vessels, bacteria find their way into those tiny tubules of the dentin. Then no matter what we do by way of treatment, we're never going to completely eradicate the bacteria hiding in the miles of tubules. In time the bacteria can migrate through lateral canals into the surrounding bony socket that supports the tooth. Now the host not only has a cavity in a tooth, plus an underlying infection of supporting tissue to deal with, but the bacteria also exude potent systemic toxins. These toxins circulate throughout the body triggering activity by the immune system - and probably causing the host to feel less well. This host response can vary from just dragging around and feeling less energetic, to overt illness - of almost any kind. Certainly, such a person will be more vulnerable to whatever "bugs" are going around, because his/her body is already under constant challenge and the immune system continues to be "turned on" by either the infective agent or its toxins - or both.

    MJ What a fascinating concept. Can you tell us more about the protective nutrition you mentioned?

    GM Yes. Dr. Price traveled all over the world doing his research on primitive peoples who still lived in their native ways. He found fourteen cultural pockets scattered all over the globe where the natives had no access to "civilization" - and ate no refined foods.

    Dr. Price studied their diets carefully. He found they varied greatly, but the one thing they had in common was that they ate whole, unrefined foods. With absolutely no access to tooth brushes, floss, fluoridated water or tooth paste, the primitive peoples studied were almost 100% free of tooth decay. Further - and not unrelated - they were also almost 100% free of all the degenerative diseases we suffer - problems with the heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, joints, skin (allergies), and the whole gamut of illnesses that plague Mankind. No one food proved to be magic as a preventive food. I believe we can thrive best by eating a wide variety of whole foods.

    MJ Amazing. So by "diet and nutrition" for oral (and total) health you meant eating a pretty basic diet of whole foods?

    GM Exactly. And no sugar or white flour. These are (and always have been) the first culprits. Tragically, when the primitives were introduced to sugar and white flour their superior level of health deteriorated rapidly. This has been demonstrated time and again. During the last sixty or more years we have added in increasing amounts, highly refined and fabricated cereals and boxed mixes of all kinds, soft drinks, refined vegetable oils and a whole host of other foodless "foods". It is also during those same years that we as a nation have installed more and more root canal fillings - and degenerative diseases have become rampant. I believe - and Dr. Price certainly proved to my satisfaction - that these simultaneous factors are NOT coincidences.

    MJ I certainly understand what you are saying. But I'm still a little shocked to talk with a dentist who doesn't stress oral hygiene.

    GM Well, I'm not against oral hygiene. Of course, hygiene practices are preventive, and help minimize the destructive effect of our "civilized", refined diet. But the real issue is still diet. The natives Dr. Price tracked down and studied weren't free of cavities, inflamed gums, and degenerative diseases because they had better tooth brushes!

    It's so easy to lose sight of the significance of what Dr. Price discovered. We tend to sweep it under the rug - we'd actually prefer to hear that if we would just brush better, longer, or more often, we too could be free of dental problems.

    Certainly, part of the purpose of my book is to stimulate dental research into finding a way to sterilize dentin tubules. Only then can dentists really learn to save teeth for a lifetime. But the bottom line remains: A primitive diet of whole unrefined foods is the only thing that has been found to actually prevent both tooth decay and degenerative




  11. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    darude,

    A very interesting post!
  12. JLH

    JLH New Member

    I personally would do the root canal. If the tooth is alive and well, then I would always choose to save the tooth rather than an extraction.

    jlh
  13. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    "I personally would do the root canal. If the tooth is alive and well, then I would always choose to save the tooth rather than an extraction." jlh

    jlh,

    If a tooth is root canal treated then, if it was alive before, it will be dead afterwards since the nerves and blood vessels are completely removed.

    A tooth can sometimes be capped without the root canal being treated. So this is a way to save a live tooth, if the existing filling is compromised.
  14. Shannonsparkles

    Shannonsparkles New Member

    that I am WAY too panicky! lol

    You guys are right. I should just book an appointment and talk to the endodontist about this stuff. Thanks for being so knowledgeable about it all and sharing your experiences.

    Thanks to each one of you who responded! Thanks for saying that the dentist can answer questions and I won't have to decide right then what to do. Thanks for saying how all your own dental stuff went. Also, I didn't know that the other teeth would shift if a back tooth was gone, or that all that other stuff can make teeth hurt.

    It's hard to go out because I am bedridden and very foggy and weak, and I get too exhausted to talk and think and I have major sensory overload and it takes about three weeks to get back to where I was before going out sometimes... I wish there was anything I could do to be less sick so that I could go out easilly when I need to. (pity... pity... pity... okay, done now!)

    Thanks, all.
    ((hugs)) Shannon
    P.S. I did get all my wisdom teeth out. My jaw is so small that it barely fits the remaining ones anyway, so I don't notice the wisdom teeth are gone.

  15. claudiaw

    claudiaw New Member

    I had root canal about 5 yrs. ago. It has never felt "right".

    X-ray's and exam showednothing.

    Now a small area around the base of that toothnis swollen, I asume infection.

    I have no dental ins., and don't know what to do.

    don't wan tit pulled, both for vanity and the fact that my other teeth will move out of place.

    But infection is not good, so I'm waiting to see if I can treat it with supplement's. anti-biotics make me sick, plus increase yeast.

    I hope the best for you. i think these teeth problem's may add to our CFS/Fm isues.

    claudia

    Sorry I'm no help, just my experieince right now with my teeth.
  16. swedeboy

    swedeboy Member

    I am 31 and I have had 5 root canals in the past 5 years. After my root canals the teeth are no longer in pain. On 4 of the 5 root canals there was no detected infection.

    They were just so sensitive and nothing would relieve the pain, so the endodontist said root canals would end the pain and sensitivity. If all that you can afford is an extraction then I would do that.

    But if you wanna keep the tooth and can afford the root canal, then go for it. I think either one will stop it from hurting anymore.

    Despite the expensive root canals, I am glad I got them because those teeth are no longer in pain.

    I have also had my wisdom teeth extracted. I was put under general anasteshia so I dont rememer a thing. The anasteshia made me very nauseous afterwards, but other than that it was fine.

    Just today I had my 4 remaining amalgam fillings replaced with white composite fillings. And now those teeth are so sore, I hope the pain starts to eaze up soon.

    Any suggestions on how to calm the pain from recently filled teeth? I am happy that my mouth is now mercury free, but when will my new fillings stop aching. OUCH!

  17. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    You will likely get different answers from, "Root canals are dangerous and should never be done," to "One should always try to save one's original teeth."

    I've had a bunch of root canals and have never had a problem with them; however, I have read some of the info from the naysayers and a lot of it makes sense. I tend to belong to the group which is in favor of saving teeth when possible. Still, I wonder--could these root canals be contributing to my health problems? The only way to know is to pull them out and I'm just not ready to go down that road and probably never will be.

    I had the amalgam fillings removed a few years back and it made no difference. When I had this last root canal done at Thanksgiving, the endodontist mistakenly filled the crown with an amalgam. He was supposed to use a temp. filling material so I could have my dentist fill it with composite. I've decided to keep the amalgam because it's way in the back and in an upper tooth. I can always have the filling removed and replaced but that could cause even more problems.

    Some people feel that even teeth with cavaties should be pulled because all the filling materials can cause health problems. I do find it interesting that so many of us here have a lot of dental problems, me included.

    I agree that talking to the endodontist is a good idea. Mine is excellent and I've never had any pain from the procedures nor problems afterward. Good luck to you.

    Love, Mikie
  18. enjoysue

    enjoysue New Member

    Wow, what an interesting article. Thanks for sharing it Shannonsparkles.

    About 8 years ago I had no root canals or crowns. Now I've had so many of both that I've lost count. I will have to ask my doctor but I'm guessing I don't have any more than 5 or 6 of my own teeth.

    This fall I told my dentist and pointed to right side of my nose and told him it hurt whenever I touched it. Like big time!! He didn't think anything of it. It had been that way since this summer. Well it kept growing larger and since I just keep on taking more pain I let it go cuz I had another appointment in December. He asked me why i waited so long! I bit my tongue and didn't tell him I told you so!

    Anyway it's slightly better with a root canal but there is still a bump there and pain when I touch it. I'm grossed out to think what's lurking in my tooth and body! ICK!!

    I don't know if it is coincidence or not that I have gotten extremely worse the last 8-10 years.

    I'm gonna gross my mom and sisters by sending this. LOL Thanks a bunch!! My oldest sister has always had tremendous teeth problems of which she does not attend to until she can afford it and isn't it amazing that has had both knees replaced and her hips are next and she has it all through her body and she's only 10 1/2 months older than me?