Diane et al about bread and pasta for border line diabetes !

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Granniluvsu, Jan 4, 2014.

  1. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Hi Diane - Et al,

    I know you make so much by scratch but not sure I am up to that but I am getting confused about whole wheat bread and pasta and whole grain. Do I have to use whole wheat flour specifically or is wheat flour in the bread OK too? I have tried some of the whole wheat pastas and the ones I tasted didn't takes very good. I have gotten some whole grains which may be OK but not completely.

    Finding whole wheat bread isn't to hard but whole wheat pasta is and some tastes gross. I may have to go to the health food store nearby that has lots of stuff even though more expensive. I know that you are not supposed to eat anything white . I bought who whole grain pastas today but not sur eif they are the best. I have also seen some no sugar bread in the stores which we have used. It is also confusing when they say it is who wheat and still has sugar and most breads turn to sugar anyway so I am trying to find out more info. They did the yearly glucose test on Dh and it was up to 108 I think, the year before it was 105 I believe. They didn't do the A1c test or whatever it is this time.

    Do you make all of Kevin's breads? Would hate to do that. Not that we both eat lot of bread but with soup and sometimes spaghetti it is good.

    Looking for clues and brands if any of both pastas and breads and rules to follow that might make it easier to follow.

    Hope you both are nice and warm and safe with the bad weather you have gotten lately. We are supposed to get another blast tomorrow or Monday again. It is cold today but much warmer. Most breads seems to have wheat flour as at least one of the ingredients but does it have to say whole wheat flour?? Yep, I am confused and am off t eat lunch and make some split pea soup- - yummy !

    If anyone else has this problem I would be happy to listen ! :confused:

    Granni :)

  2. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    I just got a report from my GF yesterday after she met with a diabetes "coach"....she eats way too many carbs and NOT ENOUGH protein, but don't overdose on meats as she often does, eats 8 oz steak, not necessary, coach said 4 oz and greens....

    I grew up on pasta and breads and when I do eat some pasta, why eat breads too, double carbs going into body....one has to change their mindset eating habits, getting older everything is changing....

    There are sprouted breads out there at trader joes and the heath food stores.... your husband's numbers are not high, but could go higher if not controlled.....staying at 100 as we get older is best....

    As much as we love pasta and I do, I steer clear of it.....may break down now and then and eat it out, but hardly anymore....

    Diabetes is not a pretty picture, but Type II sure can be controlled....some walking and other exercise too....

    I'm sure Diane will shed her vast info on diabetes.....jam
  3. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    My friend went to this "coach" as her numbers often go to 200+ and her endo said it was OK as long as they don't stay up there....she is a Type II, and then the numbers will come down to 130 etc....

    She had a hard time believing the endo, but the "coach" said it was OK to go to 200 and especially as one gets older, she's 82....getting too low for a Type II can cause dizzy issues and one can fall when too low... just NOT staying up way to 200....again cutting back on carbs can make a HUGE difference in all this.
  4. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Hi Jam,

    Thanks for responding. Yes, I know some of what you were already saying. Also the way some of the breads and pastas are labeled in the ingredients is a bit confusing. I know that is a good reminder on double carbs but somehow it is just in the head about eating garlic bread and pasta, not that we always have it and when we do I am trying to eat the right bread. We are having bread tonight or some anyway with my split pea soup with ham. I forget the bread we bought. Trying to buy whole wheat in like a loaf similar to garlic French or Italian bread. It has different grains in it I know and was on sale. It is one of those long breads you put in the oven to bake for a very short while.

    Also does it have to say WHOLE WHEAT on the label or ingredients instead of just WHEAT or WHOLE GRAIN?? I have tasted some whole wheat pasta that is awful tasting. Most pastas seems to be either regular or whole grain and not whole wheat. The only whole wheat I found today was the store brand that I had tasted before and really doesn't taste that great. May have to go to another store or the health food store nearby. Already gave away our bread maker that I used not very often, I did in the beginning . Then it sat there and I gave it to one of our DD's.

    No I don't think either of us wants to go to 200 for sure on our glucose level. It surely doesn't sound very healthy I know about the symptoms or should I say the problems that can happen when one has diabetes, lots of adverse effects and symptoms, like neuropathy for just one. Portion control is a problem for DH on some foods including meats. I think that is why he had some problems with cholesterol but has been doing better with the Polichosanol . He can eat a lot more meat than I do. I try the portion control with him , sometimes it works and other times not :)!! He is not particularly a big sweet eater but he does like some at times and when I buy desserts I try and get the low or no sugar. Most of the time we don't eat much bread wither. For breakfast it is usually Cheerios with blueberries or fruit. We try and eat healthy but as you know sometimes old habits are not to easy to break :)!!

    Thanks for posting. TTYL !
  5. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Member

    Granni, portion control is very important. My brother was able to get his numbers back in the normal range by cutting back on what he ate and by getting more exercise. Once he started losing weight his cholesterol and blood sugar numbers went back into the normal range.

    Whole wheat pasta takes a little getting used to. I still use white pasta for mac and cheese as whole wheat just doesn't work. When buying bread you want to look for the words "100% Whole Grain". Believe it or not, whole wheat is NOT 100% whole grain. o_O A friend of mine has a hubbie who is now in the pre-diabetic range and he was told that he couldn't have more than 1/3 cup of cooked rice or pasta.
  6. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Hi Tiger Lilea,

    That is what I was looking for, at least part of it. I needed to know whether to look for whole wheat or whole grain. Is it the same for pasta too? That is pretty much what they had there, Whole Grain or the regular. Not much whole wheat in the pasta and it was the store brand and not to tasty. Yes, it has a different texture.

    I know about portion control but it is hard to get through the head of DH. He is doing better though :)!! We do exercise some and he is not overweight at all.

    I can use all the info I can get and some of it is a bit confusing. The whole grain tastes better than the whole wheat at least the ones that I have tried (pastas). The breads are even more confusing :)!! No matter what the ingredients say on the label of the bread we know that it turns into sugar, depending on the flour, etc. Wow 1/3 of pasta or rice sure isn't much. Don't know what his A1C is but his glucose went up to 108. So need to keep a watch and go again to check in 6 months.

    Thanks again for your information !

    Granni :confused::)
  7. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Granni, maybe incorporate some cinammon powder or caps into your daily routine....I am taking some and had to back off for a while, of the caps at least, as my 90 level went down to 73....too low, so I only use some powder in my green drink and 2 cups of coffee daily.

    Back in 2010 when I saw 110, I got nervous and took control...since I took control my glucose has been 90's and 100 and recently 73... Changing habits is easy once you find some potential danger could be lurking....food intake is something we can control. In the last few years since eliminating bread, I look at bread as "dead" foods and like a sponge in our bodies. Cooking for someone else can be a challenge and I don't have that to deal with....do your best and keep on eye on things....we have enough issues and don't need more.
  8. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Hi TigerLilea and Jam,

    Both of us have been taking cinnamon caps, at night( 2 500 mg caps at night for awhile now).. Maybe he should take some during the day too. I will maybe try one 500 mg caps for him in the morning. We have been doing that for a few year. My sugar has always been pretty good and am not as big of an eater as he. He is tall and not overweight, all things considered. I think he is usually in the 180s and is about 6 ft or so.

    Thanks to you both for posting. Just was mostly confused between the whole wheat and whole grain and which is best. I thought it was the opposite of what you said Tiger, that whole wheat was better than whole grain. Also on the package it tells you how much actual sugar is in it but thee is always more than they say since the starch or carbs turn to sugar. He was also a big white potato eater but we cut back on that a lot and once in awhile we eat sweet potatoes.

    Granni :)
  9. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Member

    Granni, 100% whole grain includes the entire grain, however, whole wheat has the bran and germ removed. I learned this from watching Oprah many years ago. :)
  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Just watched a program on PBS. According to the neurologist/nutritionist, we should not be eating gluten at all. Whole wheat bread is worse for us than plain sugar or a candy bar! He says we should all be eating gluten free. Carbs cause inflammation in the body and can lead to diabetes and, according to him, Alzheimer's disease. He wants us to eat healthy fats, such as those in salmon and eggs, plus healthy veggies and lower glycemic fruit. He has a book, "Grain Brain," which I believe is the brain counterpart to "Wheat Belly," for the stomach. According to both books, whole grains in wheat, barley and rye are the worst thing we can eat.

    I've eating gluten-free pasta and it is delicious. Gluten-free flour is widely available. I'd say, give it a try.

    Love, Mikie
  11. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Mikie - et al,
    How do you feel since you started eating gluten free? any different? Do you buy gluten free breads . Doubt if I will make it but might try some if already made. I know I have seen lots of gleuten free foods in stores. I guess it is OK for those diabetics too or those on the border line. Wondering how much more expensive the gluten free foods are. Haven't really stop to look. Do you get your GF pasta in the regular store or do you have to go to the health food store, any special brand??

    Thanks for answering. Hope you are feeling better fter your fall.

    Granni :)
  12. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    I don't put a price on health, Granni....I feel better eating gluten free but I'm not fanatic...there is gluten in so much....my friend's grandson thru marriage is Type I and he is totally gluten free and it's been lifechanging for him....he is so much healthier....now he has to keep on top of the diabetes as he is known to go into shock on the diabetes.....his wife works hard to keep him on track with his health. He is Celiac....

    On the MD Mikie talks about, I saw him too on PBS, Dr. Perlmutter if it's the same MD.....things I knew, he so reinforced..... Just yesterday, Newsmax sent thru an email that pasta and breads are a death sentence....pretty strong, but SO MUCH of our population is addicted to these food things..... as a kid I could do it, but not today.

    I live on a very limited income and do so little other things to take care of my health and maybe a little more higher priced foods.....trader joe's is large in gluten free foods.

    For me, I've done a great full life, and don't feel I'm missing a thing out there, so that's how I justify putting higher quality food in my body for the years I have left and want to make it as healthy as possible, the joint mess is ENOUGH and I spend enough on that stuff....to keep walking and stay away from anymore knives.....
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  13. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Well, I am going to check out the gluten free pastas and see what I can find. I just recently found a very nearby health food store, almost across the street from our subdivision. It is very deceiving and you can pass it up really easily. Am going to have o check them out to see what pastas and breads they have. I know about Trader Joes but it is not very close to us.

    Yes, I do agree with you but it is a hard thing to have to get out of your ( my ) head. I have pinched pennies and so did my parents years ago for so long and at that time we never worried about foods. Now you have to worry about almost everything you put in your mouth. It drives me crazy, Pasta is a comfort food for me so I will find something :)!! Mike said she had some tasty gluten free pastas. I really can do without bread most of the time. However, DH is a little different animal but he is getting better with trying to eat or not eat what he should.

    Yes, it is a very smart thing to be able to do what you can not to have to have any more surgery. I know enough people who have had surgeries, mostly back type and afterwards they weren't that much better off and in some cases worse. I am sure you have seen that too.

    Gotta run for now. Thanks again for posting.

    Granni :)
  14. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Granni, thinking on this money issue, things are SO MUCH more today, absolutely no doubt about that....what a lower priced auto costs today, was what my parents paid for their house eons ago....their house even much much less....so it's got to be put into prospective.

    I have a lot of bridge friends and some sitting on so much wealth...CA housing is a huge business and many people turn them over for bigger and better etc.....so many uncontent people out there....and yet some stay in their houses a lifetime.....a friend who was born in CA and is 81 and bought her SM house 50 yrs ago for $34,000, that was a lot of money considering the rest of the country....today that property is worth over $2Million when she passes and it goes to her daughter.....this woman leases out rooms for income and had a guest house built in the back of her house and gets close to $2K/mo for that.....anyway, what I'm trying to say, so many with so much think poor. This woman talks poorer and has so much....if she only knew what living on a LOW income is all about.... I'm the poorest of all my bridge friends, but I believe I'm rich in spirit and wisdom.....interesting about people.... My mom had so little all her life, but was so generous.....jam

    Gluten pasta can be very tasty with one's sauce and meatballs....and breads too. I don't eat them but I know...I buy gluten free crackers and LOVE them, if and when I ever eat a wheat product I don't feel good about it and it tastes bad now for me. Change can be hard for so many...I love change..... jam
  15. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Member

    Granni, my doctor had me try a gluten free diet and I did not notice any improvement in my health what-so-ever. It is very expensive and I found most of the breads were horrible. The corn pasta tasted the closest to wheat pasta, however, nutritionally it is void of any.

    Remember back in the days when "fat" was the enemy. Today it is "gluten" and tomorrow it will be something else.
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  16. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Who knows, maybe gluten has been a culprit for so many health issues and it was not looked at until recent times....who knows???

    As I see it, TL, the longer we live, the more "new" info will be hitting us....just like coffee, good or not, I've read enough about it being an antioxidant and I enjoy my 2 cups of organic per day....feel better about drinking pestide free java....and like coconut oil, how bad it was and now tons of good info on this healthy fat...I use it daily. So much info today....I think it's called the tech world too....We get so much info these days. I'm happy for that and yet, I'm a pretty low tech lover, but so enjoy all I've learned over my recent old years......jam
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  17. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Granni, I was at the market and looked at the gluten free pastas and FOR ME, they were affordable, and if I were eating pasta I would have purchased a box.....The only way one will know is if they go gluten free for at least 3 months I would say and determine if you feel better.

    1. Will a gluten-free diet improve your health? - CNN.com
      www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/04/12/gluten.free.diet.improve/‎Apr 12, 2011 - Gluten is a protein found in wheat, barley, and rye (and countless food ... of related health problems, which can include fatigue and bad skin.
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  18. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Hi, Kids,

    I'm not sure I would make a decision based solely on how I feel. Most people with Type II Diabetes do not notice a difference in the early years. BTW, yes, it was Dr. Perlmutter on PBS. PBS puts on some of the best medical professionals in their specials. I found out it wasn't gluten which was making me sick; it was lactose. Still, I have cut way down on my gluten. I have found Van's GF Ancient Grains waffles, sold in the freezer section, most satisfying. They cost about $3 for six and one fills me up. I can't eat them with my breakfast meats because the doc said not to combine carbs with protein/fats. If ones eats any kinds of carbs by themselves or with fruit, veggies or nonfat dairy, it's OK. One can combine fats/proteins with all veggies but one should eat high-starch veggies in moderation.

    I do feel better when I don't eat gluten even though I can tolerate a bit of it. I drink Lactaid milk or I take a Lactaid tablet before eating cheese, etc. Even Lactaid tablets don't help me with ice cream. I have a hard time with any sugar-free products because they are usually sweetened with Neutrasweet. There are new, more natural sweeteners. I find that when I give up sweets, after a while, I don't miss them.

    BTW, according to the book, "Wheat Belly," it isn't GMO wheat which is causing gluten problems. It's the hybrid strains which account for nearly all wheat grown today. As for price, GF pasta is slightly more expensive but I don't eat much pasta so it doesn't matter to me. The Publix where I shop has a whole GF section but also has GF products among the regular food. Chex rice and corn cereal is GF and costs the same as the other cereals. Rice and corn are high starch so I eat that sparingly with some berries for breakfast. I've only drunk cranberry juice with lemon since having UTI's. I now take the capsules or gummy cranberry concentrate. Doc says juice is a no-no.

    My neighbors have a very expensive juicer which sounds like a chain saw when they whip up their juices. It takes loads of fruits and veggies to get a little juice. I don't think it's healthy. We are better off eating fruits and veggies complete with fibre. Juice makers tout the ease of digestion of juice. Yes, it goes right into the system but it spikes blood sugar and insulin. Eating whole fruits and veggies keep them in the digestive system longer and don't spike blood sugar and insulin. Online, one can find lists off high-glycemic foods to avoid.

    So, after writing "W&P" here, my answer is, yes, I do feel better eating GF and lactose free. It really isn't more expensive and one can convert recipes using GF flour and a natural sugar substitute so one doesn't feel deprived. It falls into my "Chicken Soup Criteria"--it doesn't hurt and it may help.

    Love, Mikie
  19. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Granni, I'm feeling more fatigue than usual the last couple days and I think I'm knowing why, I've been having cereal which is high in carbs ... for breakfast....so I've been looking at the carbs/insulin info on line and found this one as you were asking about whole wheat breads......personally, and I've read a lot online about eliminating all wheat/grain products and especially if diabetes is mentioned:

    healthyeating.sfgate.com › NutritionCarbs
    Insulin spikes are usually caused by a high carbohydrate intake. Insulin is produced by your pancreas whenever your blood sugar levels start rising, which ...
  20. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Member

    Hmmm, first the sugar and then the carbs. Can't even eat good old Cheerios any more with fruit :)!! Not even sure how many carbs are in it and we eat it every day. We have or had been spending most time trying to avoid the sugars ( that you know are in there). I know there are hidden ones in the carbs. I bought a very small single blender type thing to make drinks. I think it can also do some chopping too. Didn't want to spend a fortune on a good one. Not sure if DH will want to eat anything different than I. If I find a drink that is good for the morning and easy he will probably want a taste. If he likes it I may eventually be forced to go buy a bigger one. The juicers are good too, though about that and they had a few on sale in WM the other day. However, not sure how much I would really use it.

    Does anyone have a god breakfast drink to use that would be healthy or even possibly sometimes for lunch.?

    Do any of you drink Almond milk? I know I is healthy and my daughter that had the cancer is now drinking almond milk. My daughter #1 drinks that too and some skim milk in her drinks. That might taste OK mixed with good stuff.

    However, skim milk by itself doesn't taste to good to me. I remember growing up and all we had was one kind - good old fashion whole milk. Oh, I know it has fat in it and we haven't had that in years. A few years back it was soy and now they are saying that that isn't that great for you either, I guess I will have to starve or be thirsty :)!! he he

    Talk about confusion and changing the subject too. Sorry , my brain is fried any way. Will do more looking around and trying different things. Not sure I can go completely GF or not. We will see.

    Thanks to you all and I will talk back to you later on.

    Love ya,
    Granni :):confused: