Does arthritis cause FM?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by violettekb, Sep 15, 2002.

  1. violettekb

    violettekb New Member

    Insurance claim denied because I had osteoartritis and they say it caused the FM? True or false? Anyone have a web site that discusses the issue? Thanks
  2. violettekb

    violettekb New Member

    Insurance claim denied because I had osteoartritis and they say it caused the FM? True or false? Anyone have a web site that discusses the issue? Thanks
  3. Shirl

    Shirl New Member

    Hi Violette, what a lovely name! my favorite flowers. Glad you found our board. Below is a short version of FM and OA, you can go to the 'Home' link on the top of this board and read a wealth of information on FM.

    Personally, I do not believe these too illnesses are related, one is muscle pain, the other is joint pain, I have both and know the difference in what is hurting me.

    You need to educate yourself to find out what is going on with your body.

    As for the insurance, that is puzzling, why would they refuse to treat you because for some reason they think Fibro caused your OA?? Even if this were true, that does not make you any less sick!

    Hope others will post that had this experience with the insurance companies.

    The weekends are slow on the board, but everyone will be back on Monday. So keep your post bumped up so they can see it.

    Again, welcome to the group.


    01-12-2001 -

    How do you know if you have Fibromyalgia?

    Prior to the late 1980s, (fibromyalgia) FM was frequently misdiagnosed because no evidence of FM appears on X-rays or through laboratory tests; nor is there a diagnostic marker in the blood. People with FM also often look healthy.

    According to Jenny Fransen, R.N., and I. Jon Russell, M.D., Ph.D., authors of The Fibromyalgia Help Book, "One of the most frustrating aspects of fibromyalgia is that others cannot see or feel the magnitude of the pain you are experiencing. Family or friends may remark about how well you look. This is distressingly inconsistent with how terrible you feel."

    A major change occurred when the 1990 American College of Rheumatology (ACR) published criteria for the diagnosis of FM. These criteria were widely accepted because they resulted from research provided by 20 clinical investigators throughout the United States and Canada. In addition, the criteria were simple to learn and use, highly specific and sensitive, and allowed for the identification of individuals with a similar pattern of biochemical abnormalities.

    The ACR criteria for the classification of FM are:

    History of widespread pain (must be present for at least 3 months)
    Pain is considered widespread when all of the following are present:

    1. Pain in the left and right side of the body
    2. Pain above and below the waist
    3. Axial skeletal pain (cervical spine, anterior chest, thoracic spine, or low back)

    Pain in 11 of the 18 tender point sites on digital palpation

    1. Occiput bilateral, at the suboccipital muscle insertions
    2. Low cervical bilateral, at the anterior aspects of the intertransverse spaces at C5-C7
    3. Trapezius bilateral, at the midpoint of the upper border
    4. Supraspinatus bilateral, at origins, above the scapular spine near the medial border
    5. Second rib bilateral, at the second costochondral junctions, just lateral to the junctions on upper surfaces
    6. Lateral epicondyle bilateral, 2 cm distal to the epicondyles
    7. Gluteal bilateral, in upper outer quadrants of buttocks in anterior fold of muscle
    8. Greater trochanter bilateral, posterior to the trochanteric prominence
    9. Knees bilateral, at the medial fat pad proximal to the joint line

    For a tender point to be considered positive, the subject must state that the palpation was "painful," a reply of "tender" is not to be considered painful.

    Symptoms frequently associated with FM

    -Sleep disturbance
    -Neurological symptoms
    -Irritable bowel syndrome
    -Interstitial cystitis (inflammatory disorder affecting the walls of the bladder)
    -Numbness and tingling sensations
    -Joint pain
    -Chest wall pain
    -Sensitivity to cold
    -Memory and concentration difficulties
    -Anxiety and/or depression


    About Arthritis
    What is Osteoarthritis? Information
    you can use


    OA is the most common form of arthritis in the United States, affecting more than 20 million Americans.3,4 Osteoarthritis (OA) begins with the breakdown of cartilage in joints, resulting in joint pain and stiffness.

    OA commonly affects the joints of the fingers, knees, hips, and spine. Other joints affected less frequently include the wrists, elbows, shoulders, and ankles. When OA is found in one of these joints, there is usually a history of injury or unusual stress.4,5

    View our osteoarthritis animation to see how the progressive loss of cartilage in osteoarthritic joints can cause pain and inflammation.

    If you think you might have OA, take the time to learn more about its symptoms, causes, and diagnosis. Early diagnosis is important so you can begin treatment that will help to relieve pain, improve mobility, and minimize disability.5 The more you know about OA and its treatments, the more you can do to minimize the inflammation and the pain it can cause.

    Related Links

    What is Rheumatoid Arthritis?
    Who Gets Arthritis?
    Treating Arthritis

    ©2002 Pharmacia Corporation.

  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Welcome to our board. I'm glad you found us.

    If you buy into Dr. St. Amand's theory (Book: "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About FIBROMYALGIA") when the body runs out of storage space for phosphates, which cannot be eliminated in people with FMS, it starts to deposit the phosphate crystals in the joints. He believes that if one has FMS long enough, it will bring on osteoarthritis.

    NO ONE knows for certain what causes FMS. We do know that certain traumas and stresses can trigger it. It is most likely a genetically-predisposed illness, but right now, no one know that for sure either.

    Illness is illness and needs to be treated. Find out what you need to do to file a grievance with the insurance company. When you have exhausted the grievance process, if you still haven't gotten satisfaction, threaten to turn them into the state insurance commissioner's office. Then, do it. The threat is often enough to get them to pay. Good luck.

    Love, Mikie
  5. cpalance

    cpalance New Member

    yes, it does. But as we all know, doctors don't necessarly know what they are talking about.

    What was the insurance claim for? And what inusrance company is it. That is all I need next. As Mikie said fight and fight and fight somemore.

    Good Luck,