Doxycycline for Arthritic symptoms

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  1. Rozmund

    Rozmund New Member

    Has anyone been given doxycylcine for mycoplasma congrol or arthritis symptoms. I tried this for 3 months - on a low dose - my family doctor made me sign a disclaimer - and I found it helped tremendously. Which made me think that there is also some inflammation happening with FM. Unfortunately as the literature on it was so spare he would not renew the script even though he was amazed at how well I was doing. If there are any doctors on the board I would love to hear from you.
  2. Rozmund

    Rozmund New Member

    Has anyone been given doxycylcine for mycoplasma congrol or arthritis symptoms. I tried this for 3 months - on a low dose - my family doctor made me sign a disclaimer - and I found it helped tremendously. Which made me think that there is also some inflammation happening with FM. Unfortunately as the literature on it was so spare he would not renew the script even though he was amazed at how well I was doing. If there are any doctors on the board I would love to hear from you.
  3. TaniaF

    TaniaF Member

    so my post will not be technical. But I just got over a case of walking pneumonia. My mycoplasma titre was normal. I took a 10 day round of doxycycline and I recovered and also felt quite well with my fibro. The only problem to consider is that doxy is still a powerful
    antibiotic and you can easily get candida or a bacterial overgrowth in your intestines from antibiotics. As I felt better FM wise I'm still trying to get my intestines back to normal.
    Tania
  4. Rozmund

    Rozmund New Member

    Tania that you so much for your reply - actually Doxy is quite a mild antibiotic - why it works with mycoplasma is that it enters through the cell wall to attack the mycoplasmas that has also entered the cell wall - our T Cells usually find invading bacteria as 99% of the known common ones sit up against a cell - mycoplasmas has figured out how to get through the cell and those evade our T Cells - and macrophage scavengers.

    I first noticed that all my symtoms disappeared when taking antibiotics for usual things like strepp throat, bronchitis, or ear infections - my doctor found this odd, but didn't spend a lot of time thinking about it. But I did - and that was when we discovered that I was incorrectly diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis - what I actually had was Reactive Arthritis - which is bacterial at the onset - I got it when my son had German Measles. It was misdiagnosed for 20 years. So for 20 years they had me on every new drug that came for pain and swollen joints when all I really needed was an 18month course of doxy.

    Well the years went by - I became more and more sceptical of the medical profession and did my own researching and low and behold I came across a book on arthritis and how often it is misdiagnosed. The clues were all there for the attending physician but he simply did not put 2+2 together. The short form for Reactive Arthritis is RA and the short form for Rheumatoid Arthritis is RhA. - My records went from doctor to doctor with the origianal misdiagnoses and treatment. Because my grandmother was crippled with RhA my doctor simply assumed I developed it genetically. How wrong - to this day, I have no nodules from Arthritis anywhere and no disfigured knuckles - all my joints operate at full range. But I do believe that 20 years of the wrong drugs - many of them containing salicylic Acid as well as the active ingredients just wore out my immune system and made me toxic.

    So then after a major surgery I was a prime candidate for FM - in a major onslaught.
  5. Rozmund

    Rozmund New Member

    J159 -- 11/15/02 Dr Mirkin is on the web - search googles - he has a thriving practise, a radio show, and is well respected in his fields - he and his wife Diana "certified nutritionist" are both in their sixties - Diana was crippled with Reactive Arthritis - and he treated her for 18 months - and cured her - she now bicycles in senior's marathons. He welcomes inquiries from licensed practioners. I contracted mine after German measles with my young son and was misdiagnosed by my doctor at the time. He was looking for Rheumatic Fever or Rheumatoid Arthritis as an explanation for my fevers, weakness and swollen hands and feet. That diagnosis stuck to me as most doctors simply accept what they read from another doctor. I just wish I had been smarter then because of this poor diagnosis I was placed on 20 years of meds for something I did not have. If you are a doctor madwolf then you have access to all of this information. This and other documentation - there is so much more - but I believe this article will wet you appetite for information.

    REACTIVE ARTHRITIS by Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

    I am absolutely amazed at doctors who do not treat at least some of their arthritis patient with antibiotics because there are hundreds of papers showing that hundreds of different infections cause arthritis. Doctors do not have laboratory tests to diagnose many of the germs that cause arthritis. Failure to treat arthritis early can cause permanent cartilaginous damage so that no treatment can be effective later. The most common cause of arthritis, particularly in people under 50, is reactive arthritis that often follows an infection.

    If you develop sudden unexplained pain in one or more joints, your doctor should check you for an infection. You
    should be asked if you have a urinary tract infection: burning on urination, discomfort when your bladder is full, a
    feeling that you have to urinate all the time, getting up in the middle of the night to urinate. Check for a stomach
    infection: belching and burning in stomach or chest. Check for a lung infection: chronic cough, shortness of breath,
    wheezing, burning in your nose or soreness in your throat. Check for intestinal infection: diarrhea, belly cramps or
    blood in stool. Also check for gum disease, chronic stuffy nose, chills or fever.

    The following can cause reactive arthritis: Salmonella intestinal infection (1), mononucleosis (2,21,25), parvovirus,
    chronic hepatitis B virus and hepatitis C) virus infections (3), Retroviruses (4,5). Venereal diseases, such as chlamydia, mycoplasma, ureaplasma, gonorrhea and Gardnerella cause arthritis (6,7,8), mycoplasma (9), Human T Cell Leukemia Virus-1 (10,33), chlamydia (11,15,16,17,18,24,34), urinary infections with chlamydia, ureaplasma and mycoplasma (12,26,27,39), many different intestinal infections (13,35,41,42,43,44,45,46), ureaplasma (14,27), Lyme disease (19,23), Salmonella diarrhea (20), parvovirus B19 (22,36), cytomegalovirus (25,26,32), streptococcal sore throat (28), cat scratch disease (29), human herpes virus-6 (30), hemophilus influenza bacteria (31), AIDS (HIV) (33), hepatitis B and C (36). staph aureus bacterial infections (37,38). Additional references are provided below.

    I treat my reactive arthritis patients with Minocycline 100 mg twice a day, but this must still be considered
    experimental; many doctors are not yet ready to accept antibiotics as a treatment for reactive arthritis. Many patients with rheumatoid arthritis do not feel better for the first few months after they start taking minocycline. If a patient does nor feel better after taking 100 mg of minocycline twice day for 2 months, I add Zithromax 500 mg twice a week.
    If the patient does not feel better after taking the two antibiotics for 6 months, I do add the immune suppressants
    that most rheumatologists prescribe. But as soon as they feel better, I stop these poisons and continue the
    antibiotics.

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    2) T Schifter, UH Lewinski. Adult onset Still's disease associated with Epstein-Barr virus infection in a 66-year-old woman.Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology 27: 6 (1998):458-460.

    3) LB Siegel, EP Gall. Viral infection as a cause of arthritis. American Family Physician 54: 6 (NOV 1 1996):2009-2015. (parvovirus,chronic hepatitis B virus and hepatitis C) virus infections.

    4) K Nakagawa, V Brusic, G Mccoll, LC Harrison. Direct evidence for the expression of multiple endogenous retroviruses in the synovial compartment in rheumatoid arthritis. Arthritis and Rheumatism 40: 4 (APR 1997):627-638.

    5) K Eguchi, T Origuchi, H Takashima, K Iwata, S Katamine, S Nagataki. High seroprevalence of anti-HTLV-I antibody in rheumatoid arthritis. Arthritis and Rheumatism 39: 3 (MAR 1996):463-466.

    6)S Francois, G Guyadiersouquieres, C Marcelli. Reactive arthritis due to Gardnerella vaginalis - A case-report. Revue du Rhumatisme 64: 2 (FEB 1997):138-139.

    7) F Li, R Bulbul, HR Schumacher, T Kieberemmons, PE Callegari, JM Vonfeldt, D Norden, B Freundlich, B Wang, V Imonitie, CP Chang, I Nachamkin, DB Weiner, WV Williams. Molecular detection of bacterial DNA in venereal-associated arthritis. Arthritis and Rheumatism 39: 6 (JUN 1996):950-958.

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    21) T Schifter, UH Lewinski. Adult onset Still's disease associated with Epstein-Barr virus infection in a 66-year-old woman. Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology 27: 6 (1998):458-460.

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  6. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    See my responses to your other posts about antibiotics.

    Tania, you should be taking probiotics even when you are not on antibiotics, but especially when on them. I have been taking probiotics for years and have been on Doxycycline for about a year and have never had it affect my stomach, even when also taking Bactrim for a UTI along with the Doxy.

    Love, Mikie