Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by dahopper, Dec 28, 2006.

  1. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    Please google and read about this new product. I had my visit with FFC yesterday and this is the new drug that has all the doctors talking about. My doctor started taking it several weeks ago and is very excited about it.

    Look under "Vitamin Research Products" and read about it. Maybe it would be something you could consider trying. I am excited about it and can not wait to get mine through the mail. The FFC does not carry it at the moment.
  2. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I followed your advice on Epicor and saw an awesome video on it on the Embria Health site. Just add .com and follow it to Epicor. It sounds wonderful. I also emailed Dr. Teitelbaum to get his views on it.

    I did order it from the cheapest site - Iherb, but I don't know if it is the best product.

    Your improvement and postive words make my day. I am so happy that you are improving. It encourages us all.

    Many hugs,
  3. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    CherylSue I am having problems finding the video. I went to the site but see no video. Can you give me more advice on how to find it?
  4. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    Go to the side panel and select "Education." Scroll down to the video "The role of high metabolite in immunogens in immune system health."

    Hope this helps.

  5. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    CherylSue.....Found it. It was a good speech on it. I am so excited about it. I even want to get my grand babies on it. I will have to post a pic in my bio of them soon. They are so sweet. 4 year old he is Nick and 17mo. old Madison (Madi) I always brag on my pets but my grandbabies are my favorite. (of course) LOL Have a wonderful day and weekend. Love, Debbie
  6. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I received a response from Dr. Teitelbaum's office today. It said they are not familiar with Epicor and is not in the FFC protocol. Evidently, this is your doctor's suggestion.

    If it works, that would be wonderful! Right now I feel like I may be coming down with my husband's cold. I think I read that Epicor takes a few weeks to be effective.

    Best of luck!

  7. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    Yes CherylSue my doctor told me he could not get it for me that they do not carry it yet and may not but said he wanted to tell me about it. He said he started taking it a little over two weeks ago and will see how it does. I feel he really stays on top of new things and I am really excited still about trying it. Thank You so much for the update with Dr. T. I hope you get to feeling better and miss that cold. Take care of yourself. Hugs, Debbie
    HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!! Stay safe !
  8. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    don't worry about the rant.....I remember the days when my boys were still home and I did not sleep until they got home. Wow that seems like another life for me. LOL

    I will pray you miss this oncoming cold and you can get some rest. I hope things get better.

    I have been taking down x-mas decor all morning going up and down stairs. This is something I use to have paid to have done. Wow I just thought as I was going up and down those stairs what will it be like in even another four or five months. I am so excited.

    And I am excited about the epicor too....just can't wait to get my hands on it. I know what ever I am doing something is working right.

    Get some rest and take care and rant whenever you feel the need. I am a good person to lean on. Hugs, Debbie
  9. dahopper

    dahopper New Member

    Did you every get a good nights rest??? How are you feeling? Well I just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you and praying for you to feel better. Happay New Year!
  10. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I appreciate your encouraging words regarding "children." I guess it is a common problem, and I don't feel so alone.

    My Epicor arrived yesterday. I've been taking it although my cold is in full swing. The Epicor is supposed to take a few weeks to be effective. I've been taking my ProBoost, Sambucol, zinc lozenges, and EmergenC.

    Jolie, did you get over the virus that swept through your house? How are you feeling these days?

    I just watch Dr. Cheney's The Heart of the Matter (Sept. 2006) DVD. Very provocative. I took notes and it sure gave me a lot to think about. I'll post under "Nexavir" since that seems to be where everybody is posting on the video.

    Happy New Year hugs,

  11. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    I'm still recovering from my cold, and I have been taking Epicor everyday. I don't know if it's helping or not, although it is supposed to take a few weeks.

    Anyone else have any experience with Epicor? Did you find it helpful?

  12. munch1958

    munch1958 Member

    I'm very interested in other PWCs experiences with this product too. I ordered a bottle after reading that Epicor reduced the growth of E. coli and Candida Tropicalis in microbial studies.

    This product is brand new so it's been hard to find it in stock anywhere. I took my first dose today and had a herx reaction similiar to what I get with Diflucan.

    I still have high IgM, IgG and IgA titers to Candida. This is after 9 continous months of a restricted diet plus Nystatin, one 30 Diflucan cycle plus another 60 day one and a bottle of 100 capsules of Uva Ursi (recommended by FFC).

    Here are some links to articles that I found on Epicor:




    Info about different species of candida:
  13. cherylsue

    cherylsue Member

    Embria hails new era of immune health with EpiCor

    By Jess Halliday in Anaheim

    3/27/2006- At this weekend’s Supply Expo, Embria began speaking for the first time about its new immunity supplement, EpiCor – a high-metabolite immunogen born out of decades of experience and observation in the animal nutrition field, that could usher in a new era of immune health.

    For more than 60 years Embria Health Sciences’ parent company, Diamond V Mills, has been making a propriety yeast culture to increase milk production in cattle. But it began to be suspicious that the culture could have other uses as farmers reported that their animals were not getting sick.
    Moreover, in 2004 insurance adjusters noticed that Diamond V employees had far lower sick rates than other workplaces, and the company thought the culture could be boosting the immune systems of workers who handled it.

    “We knew it could help animals and humans, but we didn’t know how,” Stuart Reeves, R&D and technical services told NutraIngredients-USA.com.

    A program of research has provided some explanations: EpiCor has been seen to have the antioxidant (ORAC) potency three times that of any known fruit; to cause a four-fold increase in the activity of ‘natural killer’ cells, which guard the immune system; to activate human B cells that help transfer lymphocytes from the blood to the tissues; and to strengthen the human mucosal immune barrier, which protects against invasion.

    Immune health is big business in the United States, worth around $1 bn sales each year. But the company points out that most products either contain indication specific ingredients for the cold and ‘flu season, or specialty ingredients for more serious immune conditions.

    EpiCor, however, is to marketed for health maintenance. “It is a prophylactic, not a treatment – if you already have a cold it’s too late,” said Reeves.

    “Preliminary research on the product using rates has showed strong immunological effects,” said president Paul Faganel. Much of the initial research was carried out using shrimps. In aquaculture, health is a big issue as an entire pond can be lost overnight if it becomes infected.

    The shrimps were fed a lethal dose of bacteria, and more were found to have survived in populations that had received EpiCor in advance.

    Alongside efficacy, there has been a clear and necessary emphasis on safety, with a number of rat studies, in vitro studies, and an open-label pharmacokinetic study which found a single oral dose of 500mg of EpiCor per day for 28 days to be well tolerated and not to cause any adverse effects.

    The R&D spend to date has amounted to a seven-figure sum. Although some of this has been in order to meet legal and regulatory requirements, Faganel said: “We wanted to know where the product works and where it doesn’t.” He added that the company is prepared to publicise any bad research, as well as the good.

    And despite the impending launch, the research phase is far form concluded. Pre-clinical trials have been envisaged to establish the areas in which EpiCor might have an effect, and for there the company is going on to more expensive clinical trials in the areas that it is seen to work.

    For example, it is already clear that it will have a positive effect for people who are under stress.

    Moreover, Faganel said that EpiCor has the potential to benefit children in developing countries who might contract diarrhoea as a result of drinking bad drinking water.

    For now, though, the company is concentrating on one aspect at a time – and there is scope to carry out considerably more research in this, and other areas in the future.

    “We refuse to do anything unless it works scientifically”, he said. “We have to pursue the direction that will make the sales first, then we can take the revenues and plough them back into new areas.”

    The product will receive its official launch at SupplySide East in May, but Embria is already identifying potential partners and forging relationships.

    It is currently awaiting the FDA to sign it off as a New Dietary Ingredient (NDI). “We are not anticipating any problems,” said Faganel.

    The company has also just finished its self-affirmed GRAS procedure in the US, which opens up uses beyond dietary supplements and into functional foods.

    In Europe, the regulatory process in only just getting underway, and the company is working with local expertise on this.

    The manufacturing process, known as MetGen4, involves growing a strain of yeast through aerobic growth bioreactors and concentrating it into a cream yeast. So far so standard and non-proprietary.

    But the next stage, anaebolic fermentation to give off metabolites and enzymes, is “where the magic happens,” said Reeves. The final stage is drying.

    In mid April the location of the production facility, somewhere in the Mid West, will be determined. It is expected that ground will be broken in the summer or early autumn, and the facility will be operational in 2007.

    Investment in the new facility is in excess of $10 m, representing the largest single spend in Diamond V Mills’ history.

    This, said Reeves, is an indication of the confidence it has in the product. “You don’t make that kind of investment if your science is iffy,” he said.

    In the meantime, though, Embria is not without the capacity to meet demand from the supplements industry. Diamond V Mills has the necessary set-up and capacity to carry out most of the process, as it has done so for the animal product. At the final, drying step, however, the product will be shipped out.

    Embria anticipates that EpiCor will be used in stand-alone supplements. The GRAS status also opens the way for its use in functional foods.

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