FFCer's - Bio-Identical Hormones - Throid Question

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by meowchowchow, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. meowchowchow

    meowchowchow New Member

    The bottle says don't take with calcium or iron. All of the supplements I take in the morning have calcium and iron in them! NT Factor, etc.

    How do you space everything out? Why can't you take the Thyroid with Calcium or Iron?

    thanks,
    Meow
  2. elsa

    elsa New Member

    I'm afraid you're not getting the benefit from your thyroid medication. I'm not sure what you are taking specifically, but calcium and iron render it pretty much useless.

    Calcium and iron both bind with thyroid hormone making it unavailable for the body's use. For this reason you should avoid calcium and iron 2 hours before and two hours after taking you T - meds.

    Calcium carbonate form of cal is particularly bad at interferring with absorption, so it's good to take another form altogether. Any juice that is fortified with calcium (many these days) will also make it less effective. Avoid these ... OJ, cranberry .... (added calcium).

    I can't advise on how to take all your FFC supplements as I'm not on their protocol per say, but very similar. I take my T3 first thing .... by itself. The next thing I add is cortisol .... at least 30 minutes ... but more like an hour after T3. I go from there after that.

    My whole food multi and other vitamins I take at night after dinner as most of them do better if taken with food.

    Also avoid cholesterol medications and some raw foods during the 2 hour before / after window. Isoflavenoids (soy) can also effect your Thyroid hormone medication.

    T3 has been one of the most beneficial treatments against the CFS/FMS symptoms .... I'd do just about anything to protect it's apsorption. My only regret is that I delt with the infection and immune issues first instead of balancing the hormones. I may have had more "juice" to fight the infections had I reversed the order. In that, all you FFC patients are very lucky to have their expertise.

    Hope this helps you, ......

    Elsa
  3. meowchowchow

    meowchowchow New Member

    I'm going to set the timer and take it 1st thing. I'm starting the thyroid tomorrow.

    Elsa - what infections do you have?

    thanks,
    Meow
  4. elsa

    elsa New Member

    I am very, very lucky in that my only "infection" battle was with elevated ( ridiculously so ) EBV numbers. I am also very lucky to have a "stay on top of the latest treatments" internist. ( Except the balancing hormones treatment.)

    I battled this with 6 months valtrex, 6 months famvir then added colostrum, whey protein concentrate and Transfer Factors specifically for EBV. I still pulse about every 6 weeks or so a cycle of TF to make sure my body remembers how to fight EBV on it's own.

    While doing this I also started nutritional supplemantation to build my immune system back up. This is something I do as maintenance now.

    I still do the whey protein shake as it tastes good! It is also a long standing treatment for atheletes and helps support the muscles, strength, etc.

    I really do feel the whole of you FFC patients are on the right track. It is almost spooky what their general treatment plan is .... I treated or am treating the exact major areas that ya'll are treating.

    Only, I had to piece my team together .... map out what I wanted to do after gosh knows how much research, and then find the perfect "candidates" to make it happen.

    Speaking for me, (and probably individuals like Tansy and Mikie) I think it is great that ya'll are getting all this under one roof .... without having to come up with the answers all own your own.

    Keep your chin up .... it can sometimes get rocky, but oh, so worth it. My viral "herx" was truly no big deal ... about five days worth, one time. Certainly survivable.

    As Mikie and I are pretty much in remission and Tansy is doing much better after a very long battle, and Lynn from Atlanta FFC is also in remission, you have some good examples of "survivng" to look to if the going gets rough.

    Elsa
  5. Juloo

    Juloo Member

    I don't have enough time -- and I *need* to take cortisol first thing. So I take cortisol and a bunch of other morning things at breakfast. I take my thyroid pill to work and take it mid-morning. I have enough time after to each lunch 'clear' of any restrictions the thyroid requires. This means that I can't have a mid-morning snack at all, though, but it is the only way it has worked for me.
  6. hopeful4

    hopeful4 New Member

    It's a real juggle with what to take when. The calcium and iron interfere with the absorption of the thyroid medication.

    Here's what I do. I take my T3/T4 when I wake up, and take it with my probiotic (must be taken on empty stomach). I set my timer for 30 minutes.

    Then I take my Boluoke (Lumbrokinase) and Artimisinin (they must be taken on an empty stomach 30 minutes before a meal). I set my timer for 30 minutes again.

    Then, when the second timer goes off, I eat my breakfast, a whey protein shake. I take all the rest of my vitamins and supplements and medications that have no calcium or iron. No NT Factor either.

    At lunch and dinner I take whatever has the Calcium in it. NT Factor, I take 2/2times per day, at lunch and dinner. Same with the Multi-Vit/Min. Same with Calcium/Mag supplements. I don't take any iron.

    I discussed this with the pharmacist because I needed help too! So far, seems to be working.

    Good luck!!
    Hopeful4
  7. poodlemommy

    poodlemommy New Member

    you also have to avoid anything with soy in it when on thryoid medicine. It interferes with the absorption of the medicine. I was told this by my specialist and the pharmacist.
    poodlemum
  8. TwinMa

    TwinMa New Member

    I always have to get up to pee at 4 or 5am. Always. So I just take my T3 and my pregnenolone at that time. Then I go back to bed. I keep them in a drawer right next to my bed in a little 7 day pill keeper.

    I talked to ITC Compounding pharmacy, and they said taking T3 and pregnenolone together was fine.

    I don't eat my breakfast shake until 7am, and take all other meds and supplements after that.

    Katy