Garden Com Post 16

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by therealmadscientist, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Just thought I'd try to bring some life to my totally imaginary garden by continuing thread. Hope it's ok to start #16.

    The plants, at moment, pretty much either flat to ground or bare stems. Bah, enough of reality.

    The garden is springing, burbling, sprouting to life in my imagination. More raspberries, more flowers, more morsels of herbs. Tasty, delicious, cherry tomatoes everywhere. Carrots, edible crunchy pod peas, and a salt shaker, at hand. Any moment now.

    So, reality-wise, I may have lost some of the Irises. Planted them late and just before a 5F frost. I probably should have buried them deeper despite instructions to leave corm tops uncovered.

    Cutting back on a wild plum tree now to give the garden more sun. They come up wild in the yard.

    The weather has been "cold" but beautiful and sunny in California Sierras. Guess doesn't look too good drought-wise for the state. Usually have about a month of rain/snow in January.

    Anyway, just thought I'd chat,........not into too much seriousness at moment.

    Cheers, your Mr Bill

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  2. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    has been postponed to sometime in March. Apparrently, more than 100,000 sugestions received to improve world so Google a bit overwhelmed.

    I think my favorite suggestion was the "Google Berry Amendment" to encourage the planting of berries, nut and fruit trees in neighborhoods. Like, a Maple street should have at least one sugar maple growing along it. mr Bill

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  3. monica33flowers

    monica33flowers New Member

    Hey, good idea to bring the garden back to life in our imaginations. Yesterday, here in WI we had a high of 2 degrees and the wind chill factor was -20 YUCK, YUCK!

    My flower catalogs have been arriving in the mail and I've become a bit overzealous. In two of the catalogs I think I have almost every other page marked for flowers. LOL. Hmmm....maybe I'll have to get Randy to build me a new bed. He will love that! LOL.

    I have so many plants that need to be moved. I have two huge trees that have grown so much they pretty much blocked all the sunlight but just in the morning. My Endless Summer hydrangeas love that spot but the tree roots suck all the water out of the soil so I have to water them every other day and that is with the hose just trickling so they get a good deep drink.

    OK, I'll quit my rambling --- oh one more thing. I've been at Garden Web getting tons of great ideas as well. Last year my new passion was Dahlias and this year the collection is growing. They are wonderful since they bloom around the beginning of July and go until the frost. They look wonderful in my bouquets that I give to friends, neighbors and my mother's church.
  4. sisland

    sisland New Member

    Virtual Gardening sounds great!,,,can't wait for the real thing!,,,saw a robin about 3-4 days ago out back in the yard,,,shocked me ,,,because it's usually march before we see them around here!

    Have you all heard of the Cottage Farms gardening from Qvc?,,,,They are out of Georgia i think and have the most beautiful plants and flowers,,,,They mail your order to you when it's time to plant in your zone!,,,,The catalogs are so tempting this time of year!,,reminds me of when we were kids and the Sears catalog shows up in the Mail,,,,,we would go through and mark a x on evrything we wanted for chritsmas,,,,lolol,,,never got more than one thing we marked but we loved to look,,,,,,,ok i'm rambling too!,,,,,,Bring on the flowers!,,,sis

    p.s. sounds great to plant berry and fruit trees in the neighborhood Bill,,wouldn't it be great to those things outside your front door!
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  5. bct

    bct Active Member

    Seed & plant catalogs galore! What fun, what temptations...

    My gardening has been minimal --- mainly sitting in my outside chair which I have sited in the sunniest patch. I sit with my field glasses around my neck, a sun-hat for my eyes, a cup of herbal tea and maybe smoke, and see what I can see. There's always plenty of bird-life to observe. So many kinds of birds have been feasting on the rotting apples on the golden delicious. Robin, towhees, fox sparrows, wren-tits, flickers, etc.

    Yesterday I found a violet I thought I had lost---- a beautifully fragrant pink odora type. Lots of the regular violet-blues, also v. fragrant are in bloom. There are 6 vars. of Crocus in bloom, from big golden Dutch var., to smaller yellow, lavender, white, and purple species. I see that the alders along the creek are covered with catkins.

    Our winter so far (N.W. Calif) has been dry, and I fear a drought year. Today it's raining at last, so my a.m. sun-fest has been canceled for the day! Bah!

    Bill: Territorial Seeds is offering the edible-berried honeysuckle; also they have a good form of fruiting elderberry, if you are interested.

    Monica: Dahlias, huh? Be Careful! They can be terribly addictive! What types do you like? I like them all, but I've noticed that the singles don't hold their petals as long as the doubles. I do have a couple of black-leafed ones that I got last year, but they are a bit creepy somehow.

    I need a new back, among other parts of my body, to even begin to do much weeding. Dragging some branches to a burn-pile the other day has given me what Richard, my partner, euphemistically describes as "lumbago". Well I call it a broken back!

    Well, time for meds. Bah, Humbug.
    Can you tell I'm feeling grouchy? I can!

    Regards to all,
  6. monica33flowers

    monica33flowers New Member

    Sis: OMG, a robin! Their is still hope even though the groundhog said we were going to have six more weeks of winter. On Monday it was 2 degrees here in WI with the windchill at 20 below. A friend of mine left for Jamacia today and I'm so jealous. I would just love to have a warm breeze right now that isn't coming from my furnace. LOL.

    Barry: So good to see you! I hear you on the new back situation. Last year I bought myself this neat little kneeling bad that worked great. The only problem was getting back up. LOL. I'm not a big fan of the single dahlias either. My Japanese beetles sure loved them though. I'm a high contrast type of gardener with more cottagey style. Last year a few of my Foxgloves blossomed and they were gorgeous. Another new love for me especially since they like a spot in the garden where not much else thrives. The only thing is they only bloom every other year so I need to put more in so each year I have blooms.

    Well, I'm off to pot some of my begonias that were called dragon wings. They just thrived last year and I took lots of cuttings. They just love the sunny window and they will help the budget out.
  7. Didoe

    Didoe New Member

    a purple lilac tree
    after roses, lilacs are my favorite flowers and after flowers, bury me in a forest filled with pines, when the needles are spread like a soft carpet, the air is heavy and green with hope. Pine scent is hope. I found it bottled by a Swiss company named Kniep. It comes in short fat bottles to pour in your bathwater which then turns deep green fron the pine oil.
    Kniep has become hard to find...but if you ever see it, grab it. Wen you are alone, twist open the bottle cap and breathe will suddenly remember things yu nevr knew happened to you, your life...its like the power of the madeline for Proust, that's what pure pine oil does to me.

    BILLCAMO New Member

    I've been busy since my last post on # 15....

    I broke my bumbee & some wind when preforming winter maintenance in my veggie garden. But , it gave me an idea......A new product named "Gaseous Fertilizer".

    I still have to figure out a good way to package it and change the fragrance to something more like Lilacs or Pine Trees , but , that's just a "mole hill" I have to crawl over.

    In the mean time , I'm hoping to feel good enough to have a real veggie garden this year and am risking the chance of a "brain lock" while I plan that....... too...... :>)

    Blessings ,

  9. bct

    bct Active Member

    We're having mixed sun and showers, temps. in the 50's. Just been watching a rabbit hopping about the back yard. I hope it's eating the weeds for me, and keeping an eye out for the bobcat I saw there a few days ago!

    Monica: Your dahlias are cursed with Japanese beetles, mine are cursed with spotted cucumber beetles! I spend a lot of time pinching the little devils to death all summer long. At least it's easy exercising! I love foxgloves too, and should have more than I do. I especially like that the deer don't touch them! Dragon-wing Begonias huh? I got one (pink) last year and it did beautifully, never out of flower. When winter rolled around it was so tall and lanky that I gave it a severe "haircut" before bringing it in. It is just not doing anything right now; I'm hoping it recovers and re-shoots with the warmer weather. My cuttings didn't take for some reason......

    Nice to see you Billcamo and Didoe too. Didoe, I live in the forest, in a clearing. I have planted lilacs. I wish you could visit when they are in bloom!

    Regards to all before I flee into the yard for a fix of sun,

  10. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    I had to look up Proust and madeleines. Very worthwhile, of course. Not that I can add much to what's already been written, but, yes, Proust is pretty good writer.

    My main experience with Proust has been that of the necessity of using a phrase of his to gain entrance to a costume party......I was carrying a real fencing sword, so that may have helped with my poor French pronunciation. I did know that he spent a lot of time in bed.

    Meanwhile, just spent a fruitless hour looking at garden catalogs online looking for a type of garlic bulb that I saw a month ago. It said that it could be left in the ground and didn't need to harvested. This appeals to my laziness , and my desire to have "things" around just in case I need them. Spent some time "window shopping" at "Territorial Seeds" and saw some interesting edible pod pea varieties.

    I was going to describe an "ideal garden" for one of the hotsprings in Black Rock desert in Nevada, but it's getting really late, so will wait for another time.

    And, yes, I'll add a purple lilac to my wish list. A variety of white Lilac grows wild here, so a purple lilac should do well.
    Cheers, your mr Bill
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  11. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Some plants arrived last week. Of course, just in time for six inches snow to cover ground. Ground not actually frozen, so I had a wierd time yesterday scraping away snow to dig a hole for a winter honeysuckle.
    It has green leaves......about only thing around that has leaves. Bare root so I didn't know what else to do but plant it. Two bare root almond trees also need to be planted.

    So, steady rain and snow here. A good thing for California.

    Let's see. Fantasy garden: I've been dreaming for years about Frog hot spring in Black Rock desert in Northern Nevada. Also, known by other names, like Brothel hot springs from the Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid days.

    Someone made several ponds to grow frog legs for the casino's in Nevada, but I guess frog legs never became popular enough. I would really like to try growing the Tasmanian giant fresh water lobsters (yard long), but probably difficult to get permits, etc. (hmm, anyone from Tasmania here?:)

    Some trees already there, but not native. Russian olives and a salt cedar. The conditons are pretty severe in this desert, so the salt cedar not invasive like in southern Nevada.

    Oh, some "Friends of the Desert" (from San Francisco, of course:) wanted to restore the natural plant life, but thankfully have realized that no absolutely no trees would be left with that idealistic goal. Besides, the hot springs was artificially created with a well. The populars they planted all died.

    Still, I would like to plant some things like grapes, native dwarf sugar maples, maybe Yellowhorn, etc. Needs alkaline tolerant plants.

    Anyway, just rambling. I hope everyone well. Your mr Bill


    BILLCAMO New Member

    I've had lilac bushes almost everywhere I've lived. I've had a new experience with them where I live now. Some of the seeds actually germinate and grow. I have both white and purple lilac seeds that do this. Each year I have to pull out seedlings that are growing where I don't want them to grow.

    Where I've lived before , none of the lilac seeds ever germinated. Cuttings put in water was the only way I could get starts to grow.

    Blessings ,

  13. bct

    bct Active Member

    Well, it must be. The crocus, Iris, daffodils, three kinds of violets, hellebores are all flowering, as is that curious woodland wildflower called the fetid adder's tongue that stinks so much, and has such a weird flower. If you want to see it google Scoliopus bigelovii!

    It's a rainy grey day here, and I feel just like that myself. Yesterday was 60 degrees, sunny, and I saw the first humming-bird of the year, and also the first butterflies, one each of a painted lady and a mourning cloak. So yesterday I did a little weeding in the sun, played with my dog, thought about a summer veg. garden, and did some meditation of sorts.

    Today, raining, reading, napping, dreaming.....

    Hope you are all doing well,
    and that spring comes soon for you.

  14. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Not here yet, but hope is springing eternal, and this hungry soul will be happy to devour its pleasures.

    Meanwhile, planted some Artic raspberries today. They are hardy to Zone 1......the Artic circle or -50 degrees F. I hope never gets that cold here, but I'll be ready.

    Cheers, mr Bill
  15. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Well, getting about a week of snow and rain now. About four inches snow on the ground. Looks like California may be spared a severe drought this summer.

    A convoy of big trucks came thru here last night when I got off work. They come through here when the Tahoe I-80 is closed off by snow.

    So, obviously, not too much to report on the garden here:)

    I did order two purple lilacs from Springhill nursery.

    Cheers, your mr Bill
  16. monica33flowers

    monica33flowers New Member

    Do you live in the mountains in CA? I was surprised by your post that you had 4" of snow on the ground. Actually, you have more snow they I do here in WI. Today is 50 degrees and I'm doing my own little happy dance. Plus, daylight savings time is this weekend so that means spring will come at some point.

    All I have done "gardening wise" is dream and also check on my dahlias that are stored in the basement. I have one that has shoots almost 14" long and my basement is pretty dark and very cool.

    I'm also working on an idea for a fountain. I love them but man they are pricey. So, we'll see if I come up with anything.

    Barry: I'm glad to hear you have butterflies, hummingbirds and beautiful spring flowers. what are your gardening plans this year? Anything new?

    I'm off to do the laundry. blah!
  17. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Live in the California Sierras, about 70 miles from Reno, Nv. We've had some storms(fairly mild) come through here, but snow melting pretty fast now. Higher up mountains can get 8 or 12 feet of snow. I guess in 1996 we had 13 feet of snow and a lot of people and the town cut off the rest of world for about a week.

    On the fountain, maybe check out evaporative cooler/ swamp cooler pumps. They last for years, have good volume, and can cost only about $30.

    Eventually, I'll work on getting a pool or fountain, but seem to have enough to do for now.

    Cheers, Mr Bill
  18. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Last weekend, managed to get out in Northern Nevada desert and plant a Yellowhorn and a Sea Buckthorn. Give about a 50/50 chance. Hope they do well. Rather inhospital there so not much chance of being the start of an invasive plant plague.

    The salt cedar, which is very invasive in Southern Nevada, can barely make it up North. Three salt cedars there 15 years ago, and still only three salt cedars now.

    Much warmer now. Down to 40 at night usually. Up to 60F yesterday. Some budding plants, but not yet the lush green that I imagine.

    Have decided to make the previous garden into a perennial plant garden. Grow things like potatoes, oca, Jerusalem artichoke, asparagus, etc. that don't need replanting.

    A small new garden for annuals(tomatoes, carrots, peas,etc) is being started in the sunniest area.

    Guess about all for now, mr Bill

    Oh, I may pass on getting guinea fowl, esp. after learning some new info about bird mites. Also I have become a bit suspicious about feeding the cute wild birds. So far I haven't seen any bird mites (has anyone seen them?:).

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  19. bct

    bct Active Member

    Mr. Bill, might I ask why you are planting the desert? Is it going to be a future refuge? As for salt cedar, is this tamarisk? I've seen it a lot in the Mohave, and there's one growing in an abandoned yard on the way to town here. Who would have thought it could bear our wet soggy winters in Hum. Co.

    Bill, your idea of growing permanent veggies is very sound (but have you eaten oca?), and I only wish that I had put in Asparagus and artichokes years ago. I have grown cardoons, and recommend them.

    Monica, hope spring is good for you (I often get SADs at this time of the year, always have, but at least the birds and flowers and outdoors have a beneficial effect on that.) I plan, like Bill, to grow a small veggie garden, a few tomatoes, peppers, and squash. I really have to watch that I don't over-stretch myself with too many projects, which is hard to do with all these plant catalogs in the house! As for flowers, I want color, color, and more color. My garden is not planned (not any more), and everything grows together. I've become ruthless in what I weed out or throw on the compost heap!

    Well, time for a horrible tramadol, having skipped my a.m. Neurontin. Hum-bug and H***, I am so tired of these meds, ALL of which exacerbate my CFS....

    Grumpy Regards to all,
    and CHEER UP,

  20. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    My gut reaction is, "Doesn't everyone want to plant plants in the deserted desert?"

    Obviously, not everyone is interested, so must be some quirk in my Being. lol

    Maybe it's a way of fulfilling the "Heroic Imperative". Maybe Johnny Appleseed and Luther Burbank were my chilhood heroes. Most other role male hero role models seem to involve fighting, slaughtering, and conquering..........and, somehow, just not me:)

    Although, the Mongols and Attila did have a sort of childhood fascination, I sort of prefer
    more constructive, nurturing, pastimes I suppose. (Thank goodness! What with all that I know!:) LOL

    My dad enjoyed gardening, so maybe I picked up on that. (Although an alternative theory is that he just wanted to get out of the house and get a break from my mother.)

    Yes, salt cedar is one name for a type of tamarask. It's one of those plants like thorny blackberries that one wonders why it hasn't taken over the world.

    Salt cedar has a long tap root that even lowers water table. Also, it drips a salty fluid that kills off other plants. Generally destroys the local ecosystems. Interesting that grows in rainy climate.

    No, I haven't actually tried eating an Oca tuber. Is there something I should know?
    I have six small tubers.....I want to plant them. Maybe I could cut one in half and try it.
    I guess its related to clover and fixes nitrogen.

    Interesting to learn about Cardoon, which I didn't know about. Even went searching off looking up plant rennin for making cheese. Generally, found some interesting "stuff".

    Ah, yes. The plant catalogues!! I want to buy everything. I just have to say "No" to myself. Sort of a torture, wanting to try everything. LOL

    Yes, the big problem with asparagus is having to wait two or three years! Maybe by next year I'll be able to have some to eat.

    The yellowhorn is supposed to have edible nuts, and the sea buckthorn has berries. Maybe they'll save a starving bird or human some day.

    Cheers, your Mr Bill

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