Goingslowlycrazy , AC77, & All RE: Post On Self Love

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Mikie, May 17, 2003.

  1. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Dear Mary, Ace & all, I decided to respond to your post on self love in a different thread. The original has gotten so long and I didn't know, Mary, whether you would see it. I just had a chance to read all the wonderful responses to the original request.

    I, like you, believe that at a higher spiritual level, before we come to this Earth School, we decide, with the help of God and our spiritual guides, what challenges we will face in our lives. Since taking this viewpoint, it has answered a lot of questions for me. I have never blamed God, asked why me?, felt sorry for myself, or been angry at God. I also have looked to see what can be learned from this and why I might need to experience these illnesses.

    I once posted this viewpoint and drew some angry responses from fundamentalist Christians, but really, my viewpoint is not exclusive from Christianity. In fact, I am a Christian but find a lot to learn from other religions and spiritual views. I believe it is important to love ourselves and others because we were made in God's image and are, therefor, spiritual beings.

    I believe that as we move through the grieving process, learning to grow in spirit helps us move toward acceptance. Perhaps that is why we choose illness, to learn acceptance. The Serenity Prayer is so important for us. To rage against what we cannot change keeps us from moving forward so we can use our energy to change what we can.

    Thank you for your courage to post this. I am glad to have found a kindred soul here, although I know there are others.

    Love, Mikie
  2. MemoryLane

    MemoryLane Member

    Then what Mikie opened with here finished the song.

    Did you ever consider that we might have been chosen? I am not speaking with only a Christian attitude, because we all have something in which we place our faith, on which we focus our hopes and thoughts, something of which we seek to find comfort and love.

    That we should learn this humility and loss, so that we may heal spiritually and then help others while there is still time for us?

    If you think about what we do on this board - why we are so drawn to return here again and again - it's more than just a desire to learn. We come for want of something and of that we are not always sure. But instead we end up staying awhile...sharing...accepting and then leaving, but not without offering first our help to someone else.

    Self Love? How would we know what we are looking for in others, if we have not already found it in ourselves?


    <CENTER>"What you are is God's gift to you,
    and what you do with what you are is your gift to God"
    ~ ~ Author, George Foster ~ ~ </CENTER>



  3. MemoryLane

    MemoryLane Member

    I did not mean to imply that we were chosen by God to be ill, but maybe because we were already ill and had something to discover in ourselves and to offer to others.

    Something or SomeONE brought us together for a purpose...helped us find this place. The location may be virtual, but this place is absolutely real.

  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    God did give us free will and you are certainly entitled to your own opinions. The murderer may do evil of his own free will, or from a mental illness, but I cannot connect that kind of evil to our illness.

    I do believe that to view our illnesses as a separate evil entity is not healthy for incorporating them into our lives so that we may deal with them in a more positive way.

    I'm not saying you are right or wrong. I just have a different outlook which has allowed me to take responsibility for my life and how I respond to it.

    Memorylane, I do like the idea that we are the chosen few, or the chosen many. I have learned a lot from my illness which I may not have learned had my life been a bed of roses.

    When we are raising our children, we allow them to cope with challenges so that they might learn and grow. I believe God allows us, as His children, to do the same.

    Sue, "The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success," by Deepak Chopra has been my daily guide to living a more spiritual life of all possibilites. Chopra incorporates quantum physics so much into his spiritual advice that it has led me to study quantum physics as best my poor brain allows. The more we learn about physics, the more we find that there are no absolutes and that what we think of as a physical existence here is but an experience at a very low energy frequency. Energy never is destroyed but simply changes forms. I believe this is what happens when we die. We are then able to experience our spiritual lives at a much higher frequency. If we practice meditation here, we can raise our frequency level and gain a few rare glimpses into the greater universe.

    Love, Mikie


  5. pinkquartz

    pinkquartz New Member

    this is one of my very favourite topics.

    all my life since really young i have felt drawn towards the more spiritual or mystical aspects of life, but i am also a very ordinary and down to earth person.

    my parents were of different religions and had to elope to marry as both sets of parents were against "mixed " marriages..
    from this i took inside myself a deep feeling that what matters is what Unites us, not what divides us.
    for me i do not belong to an orthodox religion, and my spiritual self is of as much importance as every other aspect of being alive.

    When i became ill i found some of my beliefs were challenged....i couldn't understand what i had done wrong? why did i deserve to be ill and in so much pain....now of course i know is not about that...but a lot of the people i hang out with also had that type of thinking and i had quite a bumpy ride from a lot of "spiritual" people !

    After a while i came to see that where i was most lacking was SELF LOVE, this has been and probably still is my greatest lesson.
    I find it really hard to truely love my SELF.....and i am really learning to do this now.

    The crystal rose quartz is the crystal said to facilitate self healing and i find it a good reminder to myself....

    lots of love to everyone

    pinkquartz

  6. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    Complete personal responsibility, including the choice of learning experiences (which are neither good nor bad, they just are). This allows us to look at the illness as an opportunity to overcome and to make great spiritual progress. I too, do not normally post my opinion on this because of the backlash. I will not give my opinion on the existance of the "evil" mentioned earlier since I know I will be blasted for it, and I am much too sick right now to deal with that. It's too bad people can't just allow others to have their opinions.
    Like Pinkquartz, my parents were ostracized for marrying each other. My father was disinherited, and half of my mother's family disowned her and never spoke to her again. My parents despised religion because of this, and were very upset that I seemed to have been born with a strong spiritual bent. I decided not to hate the message because of the messenger, but to believe that all paths lead to the same place.
    Peace, Klutzo
  7. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Pink quartz is associated with the heart chakra which is the center of love, for self and others. Crystals and stones have their own frequencies and holding them while we meditate can help us in various areas of our lives.

    Despite being fascinated by spiritual and mystical areas of life, I am also a very down-to-earth person and quite practical too.

    Love, Mikie
  8. Princessraye

    Princessraye New Member

    I understand what you are saying and you may be right....I may be right.
    Whatever it is , we have to deal with it. I just wish we could get a break at least some of the time. I am not learning from this . After 16 years of this all I have learned is that I am on my own. Oh yes there are those with kind words but that is about it. No one actually helps me in any tangible way.
    I always had a big heart for other people who were going through hard times or suffering. I was always close to God.I didn't need an illness to learn those things. I don't see anything I have learned from this . Maybe someday I will realize that I have learned something but I sure don't know what it is.
    Right now I am too busy try to hold down a job and survive to learn anything........................
  9. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I think you have learned and are learning a great deal. I admire you for continuing to work and survive. Survival during overwhelming difficulties is a great teacher whether we realize it or not.

    One of my shrinks once told me that sometimes surviving is enough. I'll never forget that.

    I pray for us all every day and I know most everyone else here does that too. Prayer is powerful. In terms of tangible help, for me, all my treatments which are helping came about as a result of the members here. I owe a huge debt to our members and this board. Without this help, I would likely still be in bed most of the time on Morphine.

    I hope God will bless you as you continue to survive despite your illness.

    Love, Mikie
  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    It is so very clear to see that you not only talk the talk but also walk the walk. You are taking responsibility for trying new treatments and working continually on your healing. Good for you.

    Love, Mikie
  11. Princessraye

    Princessraye New Member

    Thanks Mikie and all.
    ONLY 20 years til retirement, maybe after that I can reflect on all of this :)
  12. goingslowlycrazy

    goingslowlycrazy New Member

    It's always dodgy trying to explain how one feels about this path, at the risk of upsetting others - and that is the very last thing that I would ever want to do.

    I often used to wish that I could be like my Mum - she had a very simple and strong Christian faith, which never wavered...but I think I have always been the sort that asks too many questions - hey, acceptance IS my lesson LOL

    I just find the whole subject endlessly fascinating and like you, found that this way of looking at things answered a lot of my questions.

    I used to teach on a psychic website, for a year, but had to give it up due to this dd - but on the plus side, it means I have time to read what I want to read and research now, instead of preparing classes. Plus, I have been well and truly shut down for the time being - which is hard.

    big hugs
    Mary x


    [This Message was Edited on 05/18/2003]
  13. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I also have a strong and simple Christian faith, but I believe it has been enhanced by all the spiritual searching I have done. Nothing I have learned by seeking the path less traveled has contradicted my Christian faith. I have just opened myself up to so much more and have a lot of respect for other religions and spiritual orientations.

    My Mother, when she was 92, really enjoyed reading some of my books on these topics. She said she could feel herself opening up more spiritually. She had a very sharp mind to the end and we had some wonderful conversations. I feel her presence with me all the time.

    Mary, I suggest you remove your e-mail address because it really isn't safe to leave it here. There are lurkers who have spammed our members in the past with porn and all kinds of junk e-mails advertising products. I appreciate your sweet invitation, but I can access your e-mail address through my administrative abilities. I probably won't be doing much private e-mailing for a while as I will be traveling for a bit. I will be in touch from Atlanta next week for a bit, but will not be able to come here when I'm on the road.

    I can be reached at mikie-admin@Prohealthinc.com.

    Love, Mikie
  14. Bambi

    Bambi New Member

    I do think that people who believe
    the bible to be the literal word of
    God do have different ideas about all
    of this. Jobs example of where his pain came from is clear. So are the
    verses on what death is. Much of the
    crystal use and other methods can be
    traced to Pagan practices which would explain why people who claim to be
    Christians would be against it. So I'm not sure it's as much "back lash" as it is people coming from a different belief system and some go over board explaining it for sure.
    Everyone has a free will and SHOULD
    have the freedom to express their
    ideas on such things. Hugs, Bambi
  15. AC77

    AC77 New Member

    I agree with every word you said Mikie. I know specfic talk of religon is not good chat forum talk. I believe ALL of what you said. I want judge fundamentalist Christians, Zealots and so forth....I believe in Christ. I believe in the Buddah. I believe these were all manifistations of the creator, in flesh, so man could understand Him. I don't exactly believe all of what any religous text says, as time has altered the original, so has translations of it through people...as words never translate well, especially ones regarding the spirit. I do believe however simply: Have faith in something higher...exhibit Love and Peace to all and always Have Gratitude, Never Judge. And lastly, know that the spirit of the creator is within ALL of us. Christ, the Buddah, Vishnu, Muhhamed, or whoever you believe in, is there also, at your request...its out job to find it!
  16. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    That whatever our religious or spiritual beliefs, we can use them to gain understanding and comfort while trying to live as best we can with these illnesses. I also think it is important to respect one another's beliefs and realize that we can learn a lot from each other about how we cope with the challenges in our lives.

    A post a long time ago asked what people had gained from this experience and so many wrote to say that it had strengthened their faith. Others posted that it has caused them to cherish the simple things in life.

    I am really tring to get myself back to the point where I can live a somewhat normal life and work again. I told my kids that people who are "normal" don't know how wonderful "normal" is. I think sometimes it takes illness for us to learn not to take our gifts for granted.

    Bless y'all who responded to this thread. I pray for us all every day, not just us, but all those who suffer from chronic illness.

    Love, Mikie
  17. goingslowlycrazy

    goingslowlycrazy New Member

    ...thanks for that tip Mikie. I've taken my email addy off now!
    Happy travelling and thanks for this thread - it's been a really good one!
    Sorry this is short, I'm a big fogged up tonight - but please do email, it would be great to continue this conversation.
    big hugs
    Mary x
  18. sofy

    sofy New Member

    Saw my prominent endo dr. last week and he said pretty much what this topic was about. We chose our paths and need to examine that path to find the answer to healing ourselves. My muddles brain was having trouble grasping all this concept when it comes to myself. Its so easy to look at others and see how and why choices they have made has taken them to the place they are now but so hard to see it in ourselves.
    Now if you believe in the hand of a higher power helping you in an hour of need these two threads are it for me. I was struggeling to grasp this thought and you have all provided an easy path. Now I just have to follow. I feel empowered.
  19. LynneH

    LynneH New Member

    I have never once asked the question, "why me?" If I did, I'd probably hear the answer, "why NOT you?" I need only to look around me, at other people and at the world, to see that there is a lot of suffering. I don't pretend to know the reason for it. I just do my part trying to make every day a little better in some way. It can be as small as a kind word to make a positive difference in someone's life.
    I will never in a million years believe that evil has anything to do with illness.

    LynneH
  20. sofy

    sofy New Member

    I never asked myself why me or see myself as being invaded by evil critters either. I did however fight tooth and nail against being a sick person. I ignored, stepped over, carried on to do as I wished never "giving in to being sick." Now I ask myself if that was just being a willfill child or self loving. The answer is most likely willfull. I am looking foreword to knowing myself better. Hey I alredy like myself and now perhaps with a little more knowledge I will be able to treat myself even better. Now that sounds like a nice way to sail thru the rest of my years. Pampering ones self.