Grape Seed Extract Info

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia and ME & Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' started by rockyjs, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. rockyjs

    rockyjs Member

    After reading the posts about grape seed extract I decided to give it a try, but was a bit concerned about how I would react since not everyone seems to improve.

    So far I only take 1/2 capsule at a time but have definitely seen an increase in my energy and no side effects that I can identify.

    I came across a really good article that was published in the journal for the American Society of Microbiology:
    http://cvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/9/2/470.pdf

    It's pretty technical but if you skip to the "discussion" section you'll see that their study showed that grape seed extract upregulated the gene transcription for Th1 cells and suppressed the production of Th2 modulated cytokines.

    I had read that some people are Th1 dominant and others Th2 dominant. So it makes sense that those with Th1 dominance would not do well with grape seed extract, and those of us with Th2 dominance should improve.

    I found an article on another website which I won't reference because it is connected to a clinic, but here is an excerpt from the article called "Transfer Factor and Its Clinical Applications" by Stephen Bock, MD. Someone may have already posted this in the past, but for those who haven't seen it, here's the breakdown on Th1 vs Th2 conditions.

    I'm fighting recurring Epstein-Barr infections and residual complications of West Nile Virus which would make me Th2 dominant.

    Jan


    If one has a TH2-dominated condition, with decreased cellular immunity and heightened humoral immunity, the conditions that tend to prevail are:
    1. Allergies
    2. Chronic sinusitis
    3. Atopic eczema
    4. Asthma
    5. Systemic autoimmune conditions such as lupus erythematosus and mercury-induced autoimmunity
    6. Vaccination-induced state
    7. Certain cases of autism
    8. Hyperinsulinism
    9. Pertussis vaccination
    10. Malaria
    11. Helminth infection
    12. Hepatitis C
    13. Chronic giardiasis
    14. Hypercortisolism
    15. Chronic candidiasis
    16. Cancer
    17. Viral infections
    18. Ulcerative colitis

    A TH1-dominated picture would include the following medical states:
    1. Diabetes type 1
    2. Multiple sclerosis
    3. Rheumatoid arthritis
    4. Uveitis
    5. Crohn’s disease
    6. Hashimoto’s disease
    7. Sjögren’s syndrome
    8. Psoriasis
    9. Sarcoidosis
    10. Chronic Lyme disease
    11. H. pylori infections
    12. E. histolytica
  2. kbak

    kbak Member

    Hi Rockyjs,
    I did the same thing, took a little and worked my way up. Grapeseed is great. Something else in that family that's even better is Resveratrol.

    Resveratrol has lab testing that shows it can stop the flu from replicating. Resveratrol is usually more expensive, but doesn't have to be. Science has found that all you need to get the health effect is 5-20mg.

    I noticed that the different supplement companies have a red wine supplement that includes resveratrol at a lower dose, (20mg) than the resveratrol alone supplements which run anywhere from 100-300 and higher mg. and are very expensive.

    So it's cheaper to buy, and your still getting enough resveratrol to work. I'm glad your doing well on the grapeseed. It's always so nice to find something that helps!

    Take care,
    kbak
  3. tansy

    tansy New Member

    I've been using it alongside other supps and herbs including andropgraphis (also part of the core protocol). I use the recommended brand of Resveratrol that is sourced from Japanese knotweed.

    TC, Tansy
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  4. Jellybean25

    Jellybean25 New Member

    So , do you buy it in liquid form? What kind of strength or mg or whatever do I need?? Sounds good and I would like to try....


    THANKS!
  5. Jellybean25

    Jellybean25 New Member

    Spanks Grape Jam!


    hehehe
  6. kking0412

    kking0412 New Member

    I take 2 capsules a day and while I have not noticed any improvments energy wise, the mucus problem is way better. it's worth its weight in gold to me just for that!
  7. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    when I googled Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Grape Seed Extract....&lt;BR&gt;
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    I have a grape seed product with some resveratrol in it, but I can't speak much on resveratrol.
  8. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    in this info posted by a member.

    Just got my 70 yr old brother to take it, for general health, and not to get colds like he always has....<br><br>[<i>This Message was Edited on 11/22/2012</i>]
  9. sunflowergirl

    sunflowergirl Active Member

    found this in a health news letter I just signed up for. &lt;BR&gt;
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    New research shows that grape seed extract damages the coating on viruses, thereby preventing it from adhering to cells and infecting them. This is a general anti-viral property of significance.&lt;BR&gt;
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    Researchers who were looking for ways to stop norovirus, which causes more than half the foodborne illnesses in the United States each year, made this discovery. Even low dose exposure to grape seed extract deformed a variety of viruses, rendering them too damaged to infect.&lt;BR&gt;
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    I find this study particularly interesting as I have recommended grape seed extract to small children and infants for many years. I began doing this because capsules are easy to pull apart and mix in food because they taste like dried grapes. My reasoning was that grape seed extract would help as an antioxidant, and help protect tissues since it attaches to collagen and strengthens it. I assumed this would be good nourishment to help children combat bugs. I was rather surprised how effective it was at actually knocking out infections, but there was never a study on this topic. Now we see that grape seed extract is a potent disrupter of viral infection – a rather amazing finding.&lt;BR&gt;
  10. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    give it to children, etc. or is this from a study.&lt;BR&gt;
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    Some time ago, I wanted to have my grandkids on grapeseed and called a nutrition company and was told no research has done per se on children/babies, but my grandkids are young adults so the specialist felt it was OK to give them small doses...
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  11. sunflowergirl

    sunflowergirl Active Member

    Byron J Richards....you can do a search on it.
  12. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    good info from Richards...I have a book of Richards on Leptin so I'm familiar with his work...he also recommends Iosol Iodine which I use. thanks sun....
  13. LadyCarol

    LadyCarol Member

    There is a lot of bad science being reporting these days and this is yet another case is misreported science.&lt;BR&gt;
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    The facts of the matter are the grape seed extract findings were not conducted on humans. It does not follow that using surrogate viruses are any type of replacement compared with a direct test using humans, and since humans were not used then no conclusions should be drawn.&lt;BR&gt;
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    The best way to avoid becoming infected with norovirus is to regularly wash hands and face (using soap and water), especially after shopping or being in a public place or after gardening or being out in the countryside, and always upon entering your house, and always after using a toilet.&lt;BR&gt;
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    Also wash hands prior to preparing food and prior to eating food. Ensure all fresh food is washed and all food that requires cooking is cooked properly. Ensure children wash their hands and face regularly, childen are one of the main carriers of germs/viruses/bacteria as a result of their relatively poor hygiene standards.
  14. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    are out there on grapeseed ex...&lt;BR&gt;
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    cancer research hospitals are using it in their cancer research...mayo clinic, city of hope, univ of maryland medical to name a few....&lt;BR&gt;
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    For me using it 17 yrs is a HUGE study.....jam
  15. LadyCarol

    LadyCarol Member

    Unfortunately studies alone do not mean anything unless they yield a positive outcome. Many such studies are conducted in vitro or using non-human subjects, unfortunately the findings thereof all too often do not transfer to the human model when such trials/research are conducted.&lt;BR&gt;
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    Sorry to say but 17 yrs for one person using grape seed extract for general health purposes does not constitute a huge study nor any type of study for that matter as it doesn't qualify as scientific evidence.
  16. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    too many people in my LIFE are benefitting from this antioxidant....and with 300million some in the U.S. who knows how many more.... Why argue something YOU don't have experience with....or do you?


    I don't have to see/hear tons of &quot;human&quot; studies to know what this antioxidant has done for me....not taking an OTC allergy/sinus &quot;drug&quot; is the major PROOF that grapeseed ex is short of a miracle...

    I was a Slave to the allergy/sinus drugs all my life prior to 1995 (age 57) when this antioxdant basically cured my issues....plus a long stretch with an allergist who did nothing for the allergy issues...just took money and got richer....

    And I didn't even start on this antioxdant for allergies, I started on it as we were told it &quot;MAY&quot; prevent cancer, and then in a short time the allergies were gone. <br><br>[<i>This Message was Edited on 11/25/2012</i>]
  17. renkma

    renkma New Member

    Please don't anyone listen to people that love to get up on their little milk-crate and blather on as if they were a world-renouned scientest because they have nothing better to do. Passive aggresive behavior like that needs to be laughed at and then ignored.&lt;BR&gt;
    I just added grape seed extract to my daily health routine for all kinds of reasons and these findings in regards to being an anti-virual/anti-inflammatory (and fights norovirus) is a huge added bonus. &lt;BR&gt;
    And my insignificant 2cents in regards to tests done on surrogates, in petri-dishes: a zillion other tests were realized in this way; every one had a humble beginning. Every drug/procedure/treatment needs to be tested, and every test has to start somewhere. &lt;BR&gt;
    So cheers to GSE - and cheers to the researchers and the findings published in Science Daily and other acredited publications. Oh, and booooo, hissssss to the milk-craters.
  18. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    with my neighbor who has IBS (too loose bowels) and she's been taking grape seed ex for probably 3 yrs now and it's keeping her immune system strong, etc....and neither of us get the flu shots, BUT, I just mentioned to her since she runs so &quot;loose&quot; that maybe the grape seed ex is working against her in her GI.....&lt;BR&gt;
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    Grapes and raisins are insoluable fibers...&lt;BR&gt;
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    I've heard some can't take it as they get looser bowels, but that's never been my case in my almost 18 yrs taking this&lt;BR&gt;
    antioxidant....just a comment on this..&lt;BR&gt;
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    She's going off Grape Seed Ex for a while and see what happens...she's been otherwise good with it....darn....&lt;BR&gt;
    I will post negative things when I hear or think of them. jam