Great Results: Nutrition Support Mitochondria Heart Failure

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by MKate, Mar 2, 2007.

  1. MKate

    MKate New Member

    Hey -

    Has anyone elsed jumped into the nutritional support recommended in the recent article:

    CFS as Heart Failure Secondary to Mitochondria Malfunction: A Nutritional Support?

    I did - and after just 5 days, I can't beleive how "normal" my energy feels. I'm doing so many things - though that I'm hestitant to trust that the 4 vitamins I'm doing now are the reason.

    I am up at 7 a.m. on a Saturday, and feel like I'd like to walk and maybe exercise. (I'll only walk, of course, but it is nice to feel this way!) Just testing it out for now...and hope for gradual consistant trust that the mitochondria are getting the right nutrients!

    Anyone else have the same results or other results? I'd be intersted!

    MKATE
  2. pocahontas606

    pocahontas606 New Member

    i looked in the library on this site and can't find it?

    thx.
  3. maxwedge

    maxwedge New Member

    http://www.immed.org/publications/Nicolson_ElllithorpeJCFS_copy.pdf
  4. MKate

    MKate New Member

    Hi --

    It's quite a way's down the list on the main webpage. Look for a NOv o6 dates. CFS and Heart Failure....is how it starts.

    It really is VERY interesting!

    MKate
  5. MKate

    MKate New Member

    HI all --

    In support of this Heart Failure in CFS, I've gone to a physician's website that another Thread suggested:

    cfsviraltreatment.com

    It is Dr. A Martin Lerner's and the studies are very interesting about the CFS affect on the heart. He happens to beleive in antivirals to help or eradicate CFS.

    I'm looking into that too.

    Thanks all.....I'll check back later for more ideas.

    MKATE
  6. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    Hi, Mkate!

    I'm doing all the suggestions, except not as much B-12 and L-carnitine, and my heart feels a lot better. But I'm also doing hawthorn, because Dr. Cheney recommended it, and I think that plays a big part.

    I'm not a lot better, energy-wise, but I am doing an anti-viral treatment (Virastop), which wipes me out, at the present time. And I have been sick a loooong time. :)

    I'm glad to hear about your great results!

    Love,
    Forebearance
  7. ulala

    ulala New Member

    mkate-check out stovetop's 2/25/07 thread titled "Mitochondia support info from PDR." I think there's lots of info about this cocktail mix some refer to "mito fuel."



    CFS as Heart Failure Secondary to Mitochondrial Malfunction: A Nutritional Support Protocol

    ImmuneSupport.com

    11-15-2006

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    Ed Note: Do CFS symptoms stem from a sort of “heart failure” associated with inefficient energy production at the cellular level? UK-based CFS specialist Dr. Sarah Myhill, MD, believes that it is - based on both her own observations treating patients, and a careful study of the evolving science.


    Dr. Myhill explains that her focus is on preventive healthcare and patient education. In the following patient handout, reproduced here with permission from Dr. Myhill’s patient-information website (DrMyhill.co.uk), she:
    n Explains the underlying theory in simple terms.
    n Details a dietary/supplement protocol for addressing the condition.
    n And outlines the baseline tests required to determine the individual patient’s deficiencies in these respects, if any.


    Dr. Myhill’s handout is specifically based on the groundbreaking research and clinical work of U.S.-based cardiopulmonary physiologists Dr. Arnold Peckerman, PhD, and Dr. Stephen T. Sinatra, MD – and presages the continuing work of CFS specialist Dr. Paul Cheney, MD, to further define this condition and test strategies for its treatment. (Patients interested in these experts’ publications may refer to the footnoted references.)

    ____________


    CFS is Heart Failure Secondary to Mitochondrial Malfunction
    By Sarah Myhill, MD


    I think this is one of the most important handouts I have ever produced in terms of my understanding of CFS and what to do in order to recover. So please read this very carefully and several times over - because for many sufferers it contains the keys to unlock their illness.


    Two papers have come to my notice recently which make great sense of both my clinical observations and also the idea that CFS is a symptom of mitochondrial failure. The two symptoms I am looking for in CFS to make the diagnosis are firstly very poor stamina and secondly, delayed fatigue. I think I can now explain these in terms of what is going on inside cells and the effects on major organs of the body (primarily the heart). More importantly, there are major implications for a test for CFS, and of course management and recovery.


    If mitochondria (the little batteries found inside every cell in the body) do not work properly, then the energy supply to every cell in the body will be impaired. This includes the heart.
    n Many of the symptoms of CFS could be explained by heart failure because the heart muscle cannot work properly.
    n Cardiologists and other doctors are used to dealing with heart failure due to poor blood supply to the heart itself.
    n In CFS the heart failure is caused by poor muscle function and therefore strictly speaking is a cardiomyopathy. This means the function of the heart will be very abnormal, but traditional tests of heart failure, such as ECG, ECHOs, angiograms etc, will be normal.


    Thanks to work by Arnold Peckerman, PhD (http://www.cfids-cab.org/cfs-inform/Coicfs/peckerman.etal.03.pdf ) we now know that cardiac output in CFS patients is impaired. [Note: Dr. Peckerman, a cardiopulmonary physiologist at the VA Medical Center in East Orange, New Jersey, published this groundbreaking article, “Abnormal Impedance Cardiography Predicts Symptom Severity in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,” in 2003.1 Dr. Paul Cheney, a pre-eminent U.S. researcher now focused on furthering the investigation of CFS heart dysfunction and treatment, has referred to this article as “The best, most important publication [about CFS] in 20 years."2]


    Furthermore, the level of impairment correlates very closely to the level of disability in patients. Dr. Peckerman was asked by the U.S. National Institutes of Health to develop a test for CFS in order to help them to judge the level of disability in patients claiming Social Security benefits. Dr. Peckerman is a cardiologist, and on the basis that CFS presents with low blood pressure, low blood volume, and perfusion defects, he surmised CFS patients were in heart failure. To test this he came up with “Q scores.”


    Q SCORES
    "Q" stands for cardiac output in liters per minute, and this can be measured using a totally non-invasive method called Impedance Cardiography. This allows one to accurately measure cardiac output by measuring the electrical impedance across the chest wall. The greater the blood flow the less the impedance. This can be adjusted according to chest and body size to produce a reliable measurement (this is done using a standard algorithm). It is important to do this test in the upright position and again when supine (lying flat on your back). This is because cardiac output in healthy fit people will vary from 7 liters per min when supine to 5 liters per min when standing up. In healthy people this drop is not enough to affect function, but in CFS sufferers the drop may be from 5 liters lying down to 3.5 liters standing up. At this level the sufferer has a cardiac output which causes borderline organ failure.


    This explains why CFS patients feel much better lying down. They have acceptable cardiac output lying down, but standing up they are in borderline heart and organ failure. CFS is therefore the symptom which prevents the patient developing complete heart failure. Actually, everyone feels more rested when they are sitting down with their feet up, not least my daughters! The subconscious has worked out that the heart has to work less hard when you are sitting down with your feet up, so we do so because we feel more comfortable.


    SYMPTOMS OF CFS EXPLAINED
    The job of the heart is to maintain blood pressure. If the blood pressure falls, organs start to fail. If the heart is working inadequately as a pump then the only way blood pressure can be sustained is by shutting down blood supply to organs. Organs are shut down in terms of priority - that is, the skin first, then muscles, followed by liver, gut, brain, and finally the heart, lung, and kidney. As these organ systems shut down, this creates further problems for the body in terms of toxic overload, susceptibility to viruses which damage mitochondria further, thus exacerbating all the problems of the CFS sufferer.


    1. Effects on the skin
    If you shut down the blood supply to the skin, this has two main effects.


    n The first is that the skin is responsible for controlling the temperature of the body. This means that CFS patients become intolerant of heat. If the body gets too hot then it cannot lose heat through the skin (because it has no blood supply) and the core temperature increases. The only way the body can compensate for this is by switching off the thyroid gland (which is responsible for the level of metabolic activity in the body and hence heat generation) - and so one gets a compensatory underactive thyroid. This alone worsens the problems of fatigue.


    n The second problem is that if the micro-circulation in the skin is shut down, then the body cannot sweat. Sweating is a major way through which toxins, particularly heavy metals, pesticides and volatile organic compounds, are excreted. Therefore the CFS sufferer's body is much better at accumulating toxins, which of course further damage mitochondria.


    2. Symptoms in muscles
    If the blood supply to muscles is impaired, then muscles quickly run out of oxygen when one starts to exercise. With no oxygen in the muscles the cells switch over to anaerobic metabolism, which produces lactic acid - and it is this that makes muscles ache so much.


    As well as the above problem, muscles in the CFS patient have very poor stamina because the mitochondria which supply them with energy are malfunctioning.


    3. Symptoms in the liver and gut
    Poor blood supply to the gut results in inefficient digestion, poor production of digestive juices and leaky gut syndrome. Leaky gut syndrome causes many other problems such as allergies, autoimmunity, malabsorption, etc., which further compound the problems of CFS.


    If liver circulation is inadequate, this will result in poor detoxification, not just of heavy metals, pesticides and volatile organic compounds, but also toxins produced as a result of fermentation in the gut, again further poisoning the mitochondria.


    4. Effects on the brain
    Last October I attended a conference sponsored by the late Dr. John Richardson. A Canadian physician - Byron Hyde - showed us some functional scans of the brains of CFS patients. If I had not known the diagnosis, I would have diagnosed strokes. This is because the blood supply to some area of the brain was so impaired.


    The default is temporary, and with rest, blood supply recovers. However, this explains the multiplicity of brain symptoms [that CFS patients] suffer from, such as poor short term memory, difficulty multi-tasking, slow mental processing, and so on. Furthermore, brain cells are not particularly well stocked with mitochondria and therefore they run out of energy very quickly.


    5. Effects on the heart
    There are two effects on the heart.

    n The first effect of poor micro-circulation to the heart is disturbance of the electrical conductivity which causes dysrhythmias. Many patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome complain of palpitations, missed heart beats, or whatever. This is particularly the case in patients with poisoning by chemicals since the chemicals are also directly toxic to nerve cells.

    n The second obvious result is poor exercise tolerance. Heart muscle fatigues in just the same way that other muscles fatigue. Symptomatically this causes chest pain and fatigue. In the longer term it can cause heart valve defects because the muscles which normally hold the mitral valve open also fatigue.

    The difference between this type of heart failure and medically recognized congestive cardiac failure is that patients with CFS protect themselves from organ failure because of their fatigue symptoms. Patients with congestive cardiac failure initially do not get fatigue and often present with organ failures such as kidney failure or overt heart failure. At present I do not know why there is this difference.

    So patients with angina, high blood pressure, heart failure, cardiomyopathy, some valve defects, as well as patients with cardiac dysrhythmias, also have mitochondrial problems and will respond in the same way to nutritional therapies and detox therapies. This approach to treating heart disease is exactly the same, regardless of the conventional diagnosis.

    6. Effects on lung and kidney
    The lung and kidney are relatively protected against poor micro-circulation because they have the largest renin angiotensin system, which keeps the blood pressure up in these vital organs. Therefore, clinically one does not see patients with kidney failure or pulmonary hypoperfusion in CFS.


    EXPLANATION OF THE FATIGUE PROBLEMS IN CFS PATIENTS
    Energy to the body is supplied by mitochondria, which produce NAD (nicotinamide adenosine diphosphate) and ATP (adenosine triphosphate). These molecules are the “currency” of energy in the body. Almost all energy requiring processes in the body have to be “paid for” with NAD and ATP, but largely ATP. The reserves of ATP in cells are very small. At any one moment in heart muscle cells there is only enough ATP to last about 10 contractions. Thus the mitochondria have to be extremely good at re-cycling ATP to keep the cell constantly supplied with energy.

    If the cell is not very efficient at re-cycling ATP, then the cell runs out of energy very quickly and this causes the symptoms of weakness and poor stamina. The cell literally has to “hibernate” and wait until more ATP has been manufactured.


    Energy is produced when ATP (three phosphates) is converted into ADP (two phosphates). ADP is then re-cycled back through mitochondria to create more ATP for future energy production.


    However, if the cell is pushed when there is no ATP about, then it will start to use ADP instead. The body can create energy from ADP to AMP (one phosphate), but the trouble is that AMP cannot be re-cycled. The only way that ADP can be regenerated is by making from fresh ingredients, but this takes days to do. This explains the delayed fatigue seen in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

    To summarize: The basic pathology in CFS is slow re-cycling of ATP to ADP and back to ATP again. If patients push themselves and make more energy demands, then ADP is converted to AMP, which cannot be recycled, and it is this which is responsible for the delayed fatigue. This is because it takes the body several days to make fresh ATP from new ingredients. When patients overdo things and "hit a brick wall" this is because they have no ATP or ADP to function at all.


    IMPLICATIONS FOR TREATMENT:
    THE CONCEPTS
    The vast majority of patients I see get well with my standard work-up with respect to vitamins and minerals, diet, pacing, sleep, B12, magnesium, detoxing, etc., etc. All these things must be put in place to repair and prevent ongoing damage to mitochondria, so allowing them to recover. For mitochondria to recover they need all the essential vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids, and amino acids to manufacture the cellular machinery to restore normal function.

    However, despite doing that, I am still left with a hard core of patients whom I struggle with. This is where direct micronutrient support for mitochondria may prove to be an extremely useful intervention. I have learned what to do through reading The Sinatra Solution: New Hope for Preventing and Treating Heart Disease 3 – a book produced by the American metabolic cardiologist Dr. Stephen T. Sinatra, who has used these techniques for treating patients with heart disease such as congestive cardiac failure, angina, arrhythmias and so on.


    Dr. Sinatra worked initially using entirely conventional techniques - drugs, pacemakers, surgery, or whatever. However, he realized that cardiac disease was not all about poor blood supply to the heart. For many, the problem was heart muscle disease due to mitochondrial failure. Once he tackled this aspect, patients made dramatic recoveries, were able to come off medication, avoid surgery, and return to their normal jobs and sporting activities. To understand his ideas, you need to understand a little bit about how mitochondria work.


    How Mitochondria Actually Work


    CO-Enzyme Q10: The electron handler
    The job of mitochondria is to get the energy contained inside foods (sugars and fats) and convert it into a form the body can use (NAD and ATP). This requires a series of reactions (Krebs citric acid cycle, for the chemists in the audience). This process is called oxidative phosphorylation - and chemically speaking needs electrons to move about from one molecule to another, changing their chemical make-up as they go. These reactions require enzymes, which are made up of many different vitamins, minerals, fatty acids ,and amino acids. However, one of the most important electron handlers is Co-Enzyme Q10.


    L-carnitine: The shunter
    Once ATP has been made, it then has to be delivered to where it is needed - out of the mitochondria. This it does with a shunting reaction.


    ATP is made inside mitochondria from ADP, and has to be shunted across the mitochondrial membrane so the cell can use the energy in the ATP by converting it back to ADP. ADP then needs to be shunted back across the cell membrane.


    This shunting reaction involves acetyl L-carnitine, which effectively shunts energy in the form of ATP from inside mitochondria, through the mitochondrial cell membrane into the cell, where it gives up its energy and converts to ADP.


    L-carnitine then shunts ADP back through the mitochondrial membrane, where it is reformed into ATP. Obviously, if this shunting reaction does not run smoothly, energy supply will be impaired.


    Magnesium: The spark-plug
    All the molecules involved here are re-cycled. There is another essential element, which is magnesium. If you think of glucose and short chain fatty acids as the fuel of the engine, acetyl L-carnitine and Co-enzyme Q10 are the oil, and magnesium is the spark plug!


    D-Ribose: Precursor to ATP
    In order to make new ATP, one needs a sugar, namely D-ribose. Normally the body can manufacture this for itself from glucose, but if energy levels are very low, then it may be unable to synthesize this essential sugar. So when the CFS sufferers push themselves too much, ADP is converted into AMP, which they cannot recycle. It usually takes a few days to make new ATP from D-ribose, but the CFS sufferers may be unable to make D-ribose altogether.

    Vitamin B3
    In order to make new NAD, one needs vitamin B3.


    IMPLICATIONS FOR TREATMENT:
    THE DETAILS
    If the body is functioning normally and has access to all essential minerals, vitamins, essential fatty acids, and amino acids, it can make all these essential ingredients, in particular co-enzyme Q 10, acetyl L-carnitine and D-ribose. Magnesium must be supplied. This explains why most patients get well on my standard work up of treatment because this supplies all the essential ingredients for the body to heal itself.


    However, for those who do not get well, it is likely that there is some sort of metabolic defect which prevents them from manufacturing these essential ingredients. I call this “metabolic dyslexia”! It may well be that genetically poor mitochondrial function alone is the problem, or there may be toxins or pesticides stuck in the system which stop the mitochondria functioning properly. It may well be that once the patient has dropped below a certain critical level, all cellular processes are going so slow that the sufferer is unable to manufacture the very things required to restore health. With age, our metabolism becomes less efficient anyway and we may need more raw materials in order to maintain the status quo.


    Either way there is a cocktail of micronutrients that could be taken to kick start the system. This cocktail is already of tried and tested value. It has been used in America by many metabolic cardiologists to treat cardiomyopathy, ischemic heart disease, dysrhythmia, congestive cardiac failure, high blood pressure, and angina with great success. Not only have patients felt better, but they have come off all their medication and avoided life threatening interventions such as cardiac transplants, arterial surgery, pacemakers, and so on.


    Dr. Sinatra has developed several schemes for age management, high blood pressure, arrhythmia, mitral valve prolapse, congestive cardiac failure, syndrome X, for professional and world class athletes, but also for Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and mitochondrial cytopathies.


    Dr. Sinatra recommends the following daily cocktail for CFS [Reference The Sinatra Solution: Metabolic Cardiology.4]:


    Co-enzyme Q 10
    300 - 360 mg (the oil of the engine, this moves electrons from one molecule to another)


    L-carnitine
    2,000 - 3,000 mg (the oil of the engine, this moves ATP and ADP across mitochondria membranes)


    D-ribose
    15 grams (the raw material to make new ATP)


    Magnesium
    400 – 800 mg (the spark plugs, this fires up many enzyme reactions)


    To this I would also add niacinamide 500 mgs daily (the raw material to make NAD).


    I would expect this cocktail of supplements to work best taken together, not as individual supplements. I have tried a number of my patients on this cocktail of supplements and have already had some very encouraging feedback.


    Incidentally this helps explain why some CFS sufferers have such problems with drug medication, and indeed this may help to point toward treatment. All my CFS patients feel much worse on statins because these stop the body from making its own Co Q 10. Beta blockers, tricyclic antidepressants, and phenothiazines also block Co Q 10 synthesis.


    PRACTICAL DETAILS
    There is no point taking this cocktail until you have done my standard work up [tests] to treating CFS. This is because normally the body is perfectly capable of making its own Coenzyme Q 10 and its own D-ribose so long as it has all the vitamins, minerals, EFAs [essential fatty acids], and amino acids to do so.


    Vitamin B3 and magnesium come from supplements, and acetyl L-carnitine from red meat (and mutton specifically is much higher in L-carnitine than any other red meat).


    The supplements in the Sinatra protocol are expensive, so for those who would like to try it I suggest the following: [Note that patients in England and Wales may contact Dr. Myhill’s office to order kits for these tests, which they may receive by mail and provide to their personal healthcare professionals. Contact information, and details on sourcing of supplements for patients in the UK are available on the Dr. Myhill website at DRMyhill.co.uk ]


    n Measure levels of Co Q 10 to show there is a deficiency.


    n Measure NAD levels.


    n Measure red cell magnesium.


    TREATING A DEFICIENCY
    n Co-enzyme Q 10. This must be in a hydrosoluble or oil form or it is not well absorbed. Co Q 10 is fairly widely available.


    n Acetyl L-carnitine. This is an amino acid with highest levels in meat (the word carnitine comes from “carne” meaning meat). This may explain why vegetarians are at risk of CFS. It also partly explains why my CFS patients do best on high protein diets. Eat red meat daily for acetyl L-carnitine: The best source is mutton. Vegetarians will have to take the supplement. If you have poor digestion then you may need to supplement with L-carnitine anyway.


    n D-ribose. Needs to be taken throughout the day.


    n Niacinamide. 500 mgs.


    n Magnesium. in [a mineral supplement]. But if there is a severe deficiency, then magnesium by injection may be required.


    HOW LONG BEFORE YOU SEE IMPROVEMENT?

    Not sure at the moment. Heart transplant patients whose cardiac output is improved overnight can take up to a year before they start to feel fully well again. However, I would expect sufferers to see improvements after a few weeks of supplements.


    What is important is that these interventions be done in combination with all my other recommendations with respect to diet, micronutrients, pacing, sleep, detoxing, etc. First get the regime tight, then start to feel better and then start to increase activity.

    _______


    This article (#373) is reproduced with permission of the author from DRMyhill.co.uk R Sarah Myhill Limited, Registered in England and Wales: Reg. No. 4545198. Reference footnotes 1 through 4 below have been added by ProHealth, Inc. for the benefit of readers wishing to access related source materials. Note that this information is not meant to diagnose, treat, or cure any disease. Any decisions on additions to or changes in your health support plan should be discussed with your healthcare provider.


    References:
    1. “Abnormal Impedance Cardiography Predicts Symptom Severity in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,” A. Peckerman, et al., The American Journal of Medical Sciences, 2003 Aug; 326(2):55-60.


    2. See “The Heart of the Matter,” by Carol Sieverling, at the website of the CFS & FM Support Group of Dallas-Fort Worth http://www.dfwcfids.org/medical/cheney/heart04.part1a.htm. Also, on September 9, 2006, the DFW Support Group hosted Dr. Cheney’s presentation of his treatment protocol and latest study findings. DVD recordings of the presentation are available for purchase at http://www.dfwcfids.org/videos/video200609cheney_about.shtml.


    3. The Sinatra Solution: New Hope for Preventing and Treating Heart Disease, by Stephen T. Sinatra, MD, FACC, available from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/Sinatra-Solution-Preventing-Treating-Disease/dp/1591201586


    4. The Sinatra Solution: Metabolic Cardiology, by Stephen T. Sinatra, MD, FACC, from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sinatra-Solution-Metabolic-Cardiology/dp/1591201586





    [This Message was Edited on 03/03/2007]
  8. ulala

    ulala New Member

    got a kick out of your renewed libido and "red face." I had visions of your husband sneaking in the front door, funny stuff! Anyway that's why I suggested that mkate may be interested in reading that thread.

    I've started that protocol before and done well but then ran out of ribose and stopped. I'm going to order some Corvalen today and may get some ribose from the health food store until I get the Corvalen. Do you use the Corvalen or Corvalen M?

    Sounds like you're doing great on this protocol!

    Best wishes!

  9. musikmaker

    musikmaker New Member

    I have been on this protocol for about 8 months. I have gone from functioning at about 20% to 80%.
  10. MKate

    MKate New Member

    HI -

    I'll look for the thread -- and thanks for sharing. I am sooo amazed, and wish I'd known about this before. However, I am finding that something may be tooooo supercharged, so I'm going to every other day, until I can buy vitamins at 1/2 strenth.....lol

    Ok -- Whatever works! I hope we're not doing some sort of damage to our hearts -- too much revvvv?!!!!

    Mkate
  11. MKate

    MKate New Member

    HI

    I don't know how to find the other thread -- about Mitochondria Support info from PDR....I tried searches on the message board and cant find it.

    Help???

    thanks all!

    MKate
  12. MKate

    MKate New Member

    DCNC --

    I'm intrigued -- you seem to have a physician who is administering IV's of your vitamins? I do not. I purchased the Heart Failure protocol in normal vitamine supplement variety from the Health Food Store.

    What tests can I request to have my physician use to ensure I'm not doing too much - or not enough?

    Note: I have a new physician - due to very bad experiences, have not told him yet of my CFS -- however, I've successfully improved with my own research over last 14 years-- more than when I venture to tell them. WY is remote and most doctors are not exposed to good data.

    Thanks.

    MKATE