Gulf war Syndrome found to be real

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  1. Bluebottle

    Bluebottle New Member

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    Rome News-Tribune

    November 16, 2008

    Panel finds
    widespread Gulf War illness


    ANNE USHER/Cox News Service

    WASHINGTON - At least one in four U.S. veterans of
    the 1991 Gulf War suffers from a multi-symptom
    illness caused by exposure to toxic chemicals during
    the conflict, a congressionally mandated report being
    released Monday found.

    For much of the past 17 years, government officials
    have maintained that these veterans -- more than
    175,000 out of about 697,000 deployed -- are merely
    suffering the effects of wartime stress, even as more
    have come forward recently with severe ailments.

    "The extensive body of scientific research now
    available consistently indicates that 'Gulf War
    illness' is real, that it is the result of neurotoxic
    exposures during Gulf War deployment, and that few
    veterans have recovered or substantially improved
    with time," said the report, being released Monday
    by a panel of scientists and veterans. A copy was
    obtained by Cox Newspapers.

    Gulf War illness is typically characterized by a
    combination of memory and concentration problems,
    persistent headaches, unexplained fatigue and
    widespread pain. It may also include chronic
    digestive problems, respiratory symptoms and skin

    Two things the military provided to troops in large
    quantities to protect them -- pesticides and
    pyridostigmine bromide (PB), aimed at thwarting the
    effects of nerve gas -- are the most likely culprits,
    the panel found.

    The Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War
    Veterans' Illnesses, created by Congress in 2002,
    presented its 450-page report to Secretary of
    Veterans Affairs James Peake on Monday. It said its
    report is the first to review the hundreds of U.S. and
    international studies on Gulf War vets since that
    have been conducted the mid-1990s.

    In a 2004 draft report to Congress, the panel said
    that many Gulf veterans were suffering from
    neurological damage caused by exposure to toxic

    The new report goes further by pinpointing known
    causes and it criticizes past U.S. studies, which have
    cost more than $340 million, as "overly simplistic
    and compartmentalized. "

    It recommends that the Department of Veterans
    Affairs order a re-do of past Gulf War and Health
    reports, calling them "skewed" because they did not
    include evaluations of toxic exposure studies in lab
    animals, as Congress had requested.

    The panel examined such tests and noted that recent
    ones -- unethical to carry out on humans - have
    identified biological effects from Gulf War exposures
    that were previously unknown.

    While it called some new VA and DOD programs
    promising, it noted that overall federal funding for
    Gulf War research has dropped sharply in recent
    years. Those studies that have been funded, it said,
    "have little or no relevance to the health of Gulf War
    veterans, and for research on stress and psychiatric

    "Veterans of the 1990-1991 Gulf War had the
    distinction of serving their country in a military
    operation that was a tremendous success, achieved
    in short order. But many had the misfortune of
    developing lasting health consequences that were
    poorly understood and, for too long, denied or
    trivialized, " the committee's report says.

    The report also faults the Pentagon, saying it clearly
    recognized scientific evidence substantiating Gulf
    War illness in 2001 but did not acknowledge it

    It said that Acting Special Assistant to the Secretary
    of Defense for Gulf War illnesses Lt. Gen. Dale
    Vesser remarked that year that although Saddam
    Hussein didn't use nuclear, biological, or chemical
    agents against coalition forces during the war -- an
    assertion still debated -- "It never dawned on us ././.
    that we may have done it to ourselves."

    "We know that at least 40,000 American troops may
    have been overexposed to pesticides," Vesser said,
    adding that more than 250,000 American troops took
    the small, white PB pills. "Both of these substances
    may (be) consistent with the symptoms that some
    Gulf War veterans have."

    The panel is urging Congress to spend at least $60
    million annually for Gulf War research. It notes that
    no effective treatments have yet been found.

    The VA declined to comment until it has a chance to
    review the report.

    The panel focused its research on comparing the
    brain and nervous system of healthy adults with
    those of sick Gulf War vets, as well as analyzing
    changes to the neuroendocrine and immune systems.

    It found that in terms of brain function, exposure to
    pesticides and the PB pills hurts people's memory,
    attention and mood. Some people, it notes, are
    genetically more susceptible to exposures than

    About half of Gulf War personnel are believed to
    have taken PB tablets during deployment, with the
    greatest use among ground troops and those in
    forward positions.

    Many veterans say they were forced to take the pills,
    which had not been approved by the FDA, and some
    said they immediately became sickened.

    "Many of us got sick from the pills," said retired Staff
    Sgt. Anthony Hardie, a Wisconsin native who was
    with a multinational unit that crossed from Saudi
    Arabia into Kuwait and then Iraq.

    He said he was required to take them for several
    weeks and soon suffered from watery eyes and vision
    problems, diarrhea, muscle twitching and a runny
    nose. A fellow Special Forces officer, he said, lost
    about 20 pounds in short order. "All of us had
    concerns at the time."

    To ward off swarms of sand flies in Kuwait City and
    the eastern Saudi province of Dhahran, Hardie said
    trucks would come through at 3 a.m. and spray
    "clouds" of pesticides.

    Fly strips that smelled toxic hung "everywhere, "
    especially near food. "The pesticide use was far and
    away (more) than what you'd see in daily life," he

    Several soldiers interviewed said they were ordered
    to dunk their uniforms in the pesticide DEET and to
    spray pesticide routinely on exposed skin and in their
    boots to ward off scorpions. Others wore pet flea
    collars around their ankles.

    The federal panel added that it also could not rule
    out an association between Gulf War illness and the
    prolonged exposure to oil fires, as well as low-level
    exposures to nerve agents, injections of many
    vaccines and combinations of neurotoxic exposures.

    Hardie, a panel member, is convinced that he was
    later exposed to the chemical warfare agent Lewisite
    in a freshly abandoned Iraqi bunker; he noted its
    signature strong geranium smell.

    He said he and others in his unit who ran miles a day
    past burning oil wells later hacked up black chunks of
    mucus and what he says his doctors think were
    pieces of his lung tissue. He said civilian doctors
    have diagnosed him with fibromyalgia, chronic
    fatigue, dizziness, confusion, acid reflux disease and
    chronic sinusitis.

    He was not among the 100,000 U.S. troops who were
    potentially exposed to low-levels of Sarin gas, a
    nerve agent, as a result of large-scale U.S.
    demolitions of Iraqi munitions near Khamisiyah, Iraq,
    in 1991.

    Troops who were downwind from the demolitions
    have died from brain cancer at twice the rate of other
    Gulf War veterans, the report stated.

    A panel member, Dr. Roberta White, chair of
    environmental health at the Boston University School
    of Public Health, found evidence last year linking
    low-level exposure to nerve gas among in Persian
    Gulf troops with lasting brain deficits.

    The extent of the deficits - less brain "white matter"
    and reduced cognitive function -- corresponded to the
    extent of the exposure.

    In addition, the panel said, Gulf War veterans have
    significantly higher rates of amyotrophic lateral
    sclerosis (ALS) than other veterans.

    White said that while there is a lot of anecdotal
    evidence of Gulf War vets contracting multiple
    sclerosis (MS), studies haven't confirmed a combat
    link to that degenerative disease. Questions also
    remain about rates of cancers, disease-specific
    mortality rates in Gulf War veterans and the health
    of veterans' children.

    Conversely, the panel said there is little evidence
    supporting an association or major link with depleted
    uranium, anthrax vaccine, fuels, solvents, sand and
    particulates, infectious diseases, and chemical agent
    resistant coating (CARC).

    The fact that veterans repeatedly still find that their
    complaints are met with cynicism, she said, "upsets
    me as a scientist, as someone who cares about

    Hardie said the Gulf War veterans have felt profound
    frustration that the health community as a whole has
    only been treating affected veterans' symptoms.

    "If you have MS - 'here's some Motrin.' How long can
    you take nasal steroids without getting at root cause
    -- the brain damage?" he said. "The sad thing is
    scientists are saying in more precise terms what
    veterans were saying all along: We are sick,
    sickened by Gulf War service, and we need health
    care to help us."

    For more about the Committee and its activities,
    click here: gov/RAC-GWVI
  2. stschn

    stschn New Member

    I'm pleased that we and they are fianlly being given the truth. It takes to long for the medical community to understand a new (to them) illness it's easier to write it off as stress or depression.
  3. daylight

    daylight New Member

    It is disgusting how our military is treated all for the sake of war. The ends don't always justify the means.
    I do believe that that the people over there need our help but
    why our we hurting our own. These poor men and women in our military go to war, they get perfumed with pesticide,come back sick and told Post traumatic stress syndrome. Next they have children (not knowing anything is wrong with them) and there child are born with problems . Or they don't get treatment for anything but PTS to later find out they had FM/CFS or any number of autoimmune diseases . Or possibly cancer or they die.
    This is upsetting . The physicist need to stop denying that there are true physical problems here.This is not a mental illness. However due to Lack of medical attention doggone it
    you can become depressed or anxious or even just ticked off.

    Our military desire better. And so do we.
    Sorry for the rant . Its just I have a military family.
    Our military should come home to cheering and the love and laughter of the one that they fought for and love.Not sickness,
    and disease.

    PS. It funny that we have orange oil that can kill termites which is nontoxic
    but they can't or won't develop a non toxic solution for killing bugs for our

    [This Message was Edited on 11/17/2008]
    [This Message was Edited on 11/17/2008]
  4. TeaBisqit

    TeaBisqit Member

    I hope this brings us closer to a huge announcement that our illness is just as REAL and we are in need of help. I am waiting for the day it's all over the news like this that CFIDS/ME/FM are real and severe and we were mistreated by the medical system and we need help.
  5. tansy

    tansy New Member

    Yep Wessely and Sharpe were involved across the pond as well as here in the UK. This can only help our case since it is Wessely et al who have been trivialising and psychologising ME and CFS.

    tc, Tansy
  6. tansy

    tansy New Member

    Help urged for Gulf War veterans

    The Royal British Legion has urged the government to aid sufferers of Gulf War illnesses after a report blamed their ailments on exposure to neurotoxins.

    The US report said the illnesses are linked to exposure to neurotoxins in pesticides and nerve agent protection pills taken during the 1991 conflict.

    Some of the 55,000 UK troops who served in the Gulf have reported ill-health.

    The Ministry of Defence said the existence of a Gulf War syndrome had not been proved.

    The charity wants ministers to fund further research and make an ex-gratia payment of £10,000 each to veterans.

    The report submitted to US Secretary for Veterans Affairs, James Peake, estimated that at least a quarter of the 700,000 Americans who served in the 1991 war have suffered from a range of medical conditions.

    The Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses report said the illnesses were linked to pills containing pyridostigmine bromide (PB) taken during the conflict.

    They are victims of the war, as much as any one struck by a bullet or shell
    Lord Craig of Radley

    Symptoms reported by British troops including chronic fatigue, sexual dysfunction, headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, mood swings, loss of concentration, memory loss, tingling and depression.

    No-one agrees on what caused their ill-health or any definitive link to their service.

    Sue Freeth, the Royal British Legion's director of welfare, said: "For years, veterans have been told that their illnesses are psychological. This report concludes that this is not the case, but the result of exposures to very specific and harmful toxins while serving in the Gulf.

    "The UK government must not delay any further. It should build on these results and immediately co-operate with the US to find ways of treating these lamentable conditions."

    Lord Craig of Radley, Britain's chief of defence staff during the Gulf War, said recognition of the full extent of illnesses suffered by veterans was long overdue.

    'No evidence'

    He said: "They are victims of the war, as much as anyone struck by a bullet or shell. Moreover, medical treatments for their conditions are needed to protect current and future military personnel at similar risk."

    A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said reports had concluded there was no evidence of Gulf War syndrome.

    He said: "The Medical Research Council's 2003 report on Gulf veterans' concluded that "there is no evidence from UK or international research for a single syndrome related specifically to service in the Gulf.

    "Any veteran in the UK who suffers from ill-health as a result of their service is compensated through the War Pensions and Armed Forces occupational pension scheme, regardless of the existence of Gulf War Syndrome as a discrete pathological entity."

    Story from BBC NEWS:
  7. tansy

    tansy New Member

    The ill-health suffered by veterans of the Gulf War is linked to
    neurotoxins found in pesticides and pills they took during the
    conflict, according to a high-level US report.

    The report's finding has led to fresh calls for Government help for
    sufferers from Gulf War illnesses her in the UK.

    The report handed over to US Secretary for Veterans Affairs James
    Peake in Washington stated that at least a quarter of the 700,000
    Americans who served in the 1991 war have suffered from a range of
    medical conditions.

    And the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses
    found the illnesses are linked to exposure to neurotoxins in
    pesticides and nerve agent protection pills containing
    pyridostigymine bromide (PB) during the conflict.

    Many of the 55,000 British troops who served in the Gulf have
    reported symptoms including chronic fatigue, sexual dysfunction,
    headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, mood swings, loss of
    concentration, memory loss, tingling and depression.

    But there is still no scientific consensus on what caused their ill-
    health or a definitive conclusion on how and whether it is linked to
    their service in the campaign to expel Saddam Hussein's Iraqi forces
    from Kuwait.

    The Royal British Legion today repeated its call for the Government
    to sponsor further research into exposure to neurotoxins and to
    provide an ex-gratia payment of £10,000 to Gulf War veterans in
    recognition of the authorities' failure to fulfil their duty of care.
    Sue Freeth, the RBL's director of welfare, said today's report
    represents a great stride forward in the understanding of the causes
    of Gulf War illnesses.

    `For veterans some of the mystery behind what has caused their
    conditions is over,' said Ms Freeth.

    `For years, veterans have been told that their illnesses are
    psychological. This report concludes that this is not the case, but
    the result of exposures to very specific and harmful toxins while
    serving in the Gulf.

    `The UK Government must not delay any further. It should build on
    these results and immediately co-operate with the US to find ways of
    treating these lamentable conditions.'

    Britain's Chief of Defence Staff at the time of the Gulf War, Lord
    Craig of Radley, said: `Recognition of the full extent of the
    illnesses suffered by these veterans of the conflict, and the
    obligation owed to them, is long overdue.

    `They are victims of the war, as much as any one struck by a bullet
    or shell. Moreover, medical treatments for their conditions are
    needed to protect current and future military personnel at similar

    The RBL's parliamentary adviser, Lord Morris of Manchester, sat as a
    co-opted member on the Congressional committee of inquiry into Gulf
    War illnesses which led to the commissioning of today's report.

    Speaking from Washington, he said the report brings into stark relief
    the difference in research funding between the two countries.
    `Our troops fought shoulder to shoulder in liberating Kuwait 18 years
    ago and inevitably they compare research effort and the benefits and
    services available in both countries,' said Lord Morris.

    `United States spending on research into Gulf War illnesses exceeds
    400 million US dollars, or some £260 million. That compares with 13
    million dollars - or £8.5 million - in the UK, which is why the
    report's findings are so important.'

    The ruling will give hope to those veterans and their families who
    have been affected by Gulf War Syndrome


  8. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    As many here know, it happened in Dec. of 1990, just as the military facility next to where I lived was vaccinating troops prior to deployment. I likely got sick from an infected soldier out in the holiday shopping crowds. I will always believe that I have GWI, which IMHO, is the same thing as CFIDS. The vaccines may have been contaminated with the mycoplasma bacterium. The one which was of most interest to Dr. Nicolson is not one which occurs naturally. It was man made, likely as a weaponized pathogen. Dr. Lo, a researcher with ties to the Pentagon, holds the patent on the pathogen. The whole story of GWI and Dr. Nicolson is fascinating to read about. In my case, it is personal.

    BTW, it took 2 1/2 years on Doxycycline and then, Heparin injections to help control the mycoplasmas. I have to keep Doxy on hand all the time in case I get run down or sick and the mycoplasma cysts try to reactivate.

    Mycoplasma infections aren't the only factors in GWI and/or CFIDS. Exposure to toxins just adds to the burdens which our bodies aren't able to content with. One researcher has found that exploded munitions in all wars can cause such illness. Those who work in fireworks production or explosions are vulnerable too.

    Love, Mikie
  9. gws

    gws New Member

    unfortunatly, i am a veteran of the first gulf war.
    and my health issues started in country very soon after being there.
    it has been a long time comming for some answers, just as our vietnam vets, have had to wait for years and years.

    i took the little white pills
    was exposed to sarin and lewisite
    oil well fires
    human decomp
    sand fleas
    got desintary from the food
    was very near the khaimishia bunker
    recieved a large wound on my leg, that became severly infected
    the list goes on,
    for years the VA said "it is all just PTSD", and i believed them.
    i have been compensated from the VA for GWS/Fibro/CFIDS/IBS/IC/and a demylinating disease of the white matter.
    it has been a long struggle, and my health continues to get worse.
    i hate to say this, but we were treated as human guinnia pigs.
    i love my country, but i hate what "they" did to me and so many others.
    i am tested every 3 months for cancer, and the last one showed elevated ca 125, had a lymph node fine needle aspiration last week, that came back ok, thank God, but there is still concern over an ovarian mass, and lung nodules, more test to come.
    i am rambling, and i am sorry about the spelling and fragmented sentences,
    i do the best i can, with what is left of the old Becky
    wishing you all a pain free day
  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Like many other infections, have an active stage and can go stealth and chronic in the body if not properly treated during the active stage. Even if properly treated, many infections only go dormant and can reactivate later on.

    It is usually during the active stage that the infections can be passed from one person to another. It is my guess that intimate contact could potentially pass the infection even when there are no signs it is active. Very little is known about the many infections which can trigger, or add to, our illnesses.

    Then, you add the exposure to toxins, and you have a high potential for our illnesses. I agree that if someone has a methylation block, he or she is very vulnerable. Many of us can look back and see symptoms of our illnesses long before we had our illnesses triggered full blown. It is my belief that we may be able to overcome a few triggering events but as they pile on, we eventually succumb to chronic illness.

    Dr. Nicolson's research has turned up many family members of vets with GWI who are sick. This includes pets and children born long after the vets' return. Again, this begs the question of which comes first--are we genetically suseptible to our illnesses or does some triggering event change our genetic makeup to make us vulnerable?

    Love, Mikie
  11. cfsgeorge

    cfsgeorge New Member

    How does knowing chemical exposures caused GWI translate to CFS? Is there a common cause or common pathway? It's now proven that GWI is contagious to family members at over 70%. What is the contagion and what is the mode of transmission? What does that say about CFS contagion?
  12. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I think it is a mistake to say exposure to toxins "causes" GWI. Exposure to toxins may be a triggering factor but I do not believe anyone knows what causes either GWI or CIFDS/ME. What has been found in people with GWI and CFIDS/ME is that there are high percentages of infections with various pathogens. In the active state, these pathogens can infect others in close proximity to the person who is ill.

    The real question is whether some of us are genetically inclined to these illnesses or does infection by one of the pathogens, even early in life, change one's DNA to make one more suseptible? My Mother had FMS, I have FMS and CFIDS/ME and both my daughters have FMS. From what my Mother has told me, I believe her Mother, my Grandmother, had FMS. We have cousins, on my Mother's side, who have immune illnesses.

    It is possible that something which infects us at a young age may predispose us and even allow us to pass the genetic mutation on to our children. Our illnesses seem to run in families.

    It is a milestone when our illnesses are recognized as "real." Unfortunately, people often jump to conclusions as to what causes them. I believe it will take a lot of research to find what actually causes our illnesses and how best to treat them. I do believe that when our systems are stressed over and over by injury, stress, exposure to toxins, and/or infections, we eventually lose the ability to recover and illness sets in permanently. I can look back to early childhood and see omens of things to come. I got sick a number of times but recovered. It was the mycoplasma infection which was the straw that broke the camel's back. I was never the same after that.

    Love, Mikie
  13. bakeman

    bakeman New Member

  14. gws

    gws New Member

    can you tell me where or how i can be tested for mycoplasma infections.
    have searched the web, does it have to be a doctor ordered test, are there independant labs?
    i am so sick, and nothing is helping,
    want to bring this up with the doc's at next appt.
    wishing all a pain free day!!
  15. gws

    gws New Member

  16. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    GWS, thanks for the bump.

    Becky, there is a PCR DNA test, which is the only reliable way to determine if one suffers from chronic mycoplasma infection. It is expensive and there are false negatives, especially if the blood is not carefully handled. The half-life of the mycoplasma bacterium is only 24 hrs., so unless the blood is drawn, sent overnight to the lab, and processed within 24 hrs., half the DNA is too degraded to be of use. It also has to be kept cool.

    When the tests come back negative, some docs will prescribe Doxycycline and then do the test again. The ABX can cause the mycoplasmas to become more active in the bloodstream and, thus, easier to detect.

    There were several labs which did the testing but I don't know which ones do it today. If you go to Dr. Garth Nicolson's website, Immed, there will likely be info on which labs to use. If not, you can e-mail him to ask. He is a very nice man and usually responds quickly.

    If testing is not feasible for you, you can try what I did. I used some of Dr. Nicolson's papers on his research, along with articles and papers from other legitimate researchers, and gave them to my doc. I highlighted significant areas and made notes in the margins to help my doc save time. We did the Doxycycline empirically which, as my doc said, is a time-honored tradition in medicine. Within three days, I had the Herx from hell and we knew there was a significant die-off of bacteria from the Doxy.

    The Doxy doesn't outright kill bacteria. It changes the outside coating on cells to prevent the bacteria's ability to penetrate them and turn them into host cells. Mycoplasmas have no cell walls and cannot survive in the bloodstream for long without penetrating blood cells in the body. Mycoplasmas, Lyme, and syphilis have some things in common. All can change shape in the body, hide out from detection, and reactivate. They can also all cause one to be very sick. The treatment is usually effective but, at least in the case of mycoplasmas and Lyme, can take a long time. I don't know too much about syphilis. Lyme and mycoplasmas replicate inside the body's cells, burst out of the host cells, and go in search of new cells to infect and to replicate in again. So, it can take quite a while on the ABX to starve out each generation as it goes into the bloodstream, the only time when the mycoplasmas are vulerable to the ABX. That is why one will have periodic Herxes as die-off occurs. As fewer and fewer mycoplasma die off, the Hering becomes less and less severe.

    After six months on the ABX, one tries to pulse off of them for two weeks. If symptoms recur, one goes back on the med. This happens over and over until one can stay off the ABX without symptoms' recurring.

    The really dangerous thing about leaving stealth, chronic infections to thrive in one's body is that pathogens are smart. They use the body's own DNA to hide from the immune system. If the immune system were to suddenly recognize these pathogens as foreign invaders, it could potentially view the body's own DNA as foreign. Also, when the mycoplasmas break out of host cells, they can drag some of the cells' DNA along with them. If the immune system detects that DNA as foreign, it can cause an autoimmune reaction to its own DNA. These pathogens can cause autoimmune illnesses. Dr. Nicolson warned me about this when I was in contact with him. That is why it is best to get rid of them in the most expedient manner.

    Dr. Nicolson also warned me that mycoplasmas can leave cysts deep inside body tissue where they can reactivate when one gets injured, has surgery, gets ill, or becomes run down. I always have to have the Doxy on hand in case this happens. I've used the Doxy several times when I've felt the symptoms returning.

    I hope this helps.

    Love, Mikie
  17. gws

    gws New Member

    thank you, i knew you were the one to ask about this.

    i was treated with doxy,cipro, and another i can't remember 17 years ago, when i first got back from the gulf, i remember being on them for a couple of years, although i was not told why......interesting
    i had terrible bronchitis, bladder infections, skin infections, that is what i thought they gave me the abx for.

    i am wondering about the cysts you mention, as MRI's have shown multiple cysts,& nodules,, in my lungs, bladder, and in the remaining ovary, i am told that it is nothing to worry about, yet i am tested for CA125, every 3 months, along with MRI's to check these.

    two weeks ago, the ca125 came back elevated and i had a lymph node fine needle aspiration, thank god that came back ok, but they want to remove the ovary, which i don't mind, not using it anyhow...

    i am going to ask them at the va about the mycoplasma testing, especially now with the news about GWS being a REAL condition.

    thank you for your time, i will keep researching this
    have a happy thanksgiving!


  18. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    My pleasure and I hope it did shed at least a little light on the mycoplasma problem. I am sorry you have been through so much.

    The govt. has done a lot of stonewalling to cover up the mycoplasma/GWI connection, so I don't know how much help the VA will be. Those being deployed were given a lot of vaccinations, close together, and no one was told what they were for. The suspician is that, at the most benign, the vaccines were contaminated with mycoplasmas or, at the worse, the personnel were being used to test biological warfare weapons on. It would not be the first time the govt. has tested on citizens, both military and civilian. In either case, it isn't something the govt. will likely ever own up to.

    Dr. Nicolson researched GWI because his stepdaughter was a soldier in the first Gulf War and came home with GWI. There was enormous pressure to shut him up when he found the mycoplasma connection. That, in itself, is a fascinating, but scary, story. From all the research I did, even though I didn't believe everything I read, there was enough to convince me that there was a conspiracy and it went to the top.

    Best of luck to you and, please, let us know how you are doing.

    Love, Mikie
  19. Forebearance

    Forebearance Member

    I am ecstatic about this report! It gives more legitimacy to all illnesses caused by neurotoxins.

    I notice that GWS is caused by man-made neurotoxins (pesticides and anti-nerve gas pills). That could explain why it is very similar to CFS but not identical. (since CFS is usually caused by biological neurotoxins)

    I notice that a fourth of the soldiers got sick with GWS. This is the exact same percentage of the US population that has a genetic vulnerability to neurotoxins.

    It sounds like the US govt. was so interested in proving that GWS was not caused by the anthrax vaccine that they were happy to admit it was caused by man-made neurotoxins. How fortunate for us.

  20. gws

    gws New Member

    I also am thrilled with the report,
    for nearly 17 years I have been ill,
    I was part of the group that got the anthrax vaccines that contained squaline,
    6 of them, plus numerous other shot's, before being deployed to the gulf and durring my time in country.
    we also had sarin and lewisite alarms going off countless times.
    I also took the PB pills for 7 months.
    I was witness to things that one day will be declassified and then, ....well i will just say, "they" will have to give us some answers.
    was makes me so angry about the whole thing, is the toxins we were exposed to, were made here in our country, and sold to saddam,
    Capt. Joyce Reiley if you want to search it.

    this has been a long time comming for our sick Gulf War Vets.
    much like what they did for our Nam Vets...

    the real interesting part for me, I became sick years ago, and filed for VA comp, and it was given to me, with hardly a question asked... I always tell people who ask me if I work.."no the GOV pay's me to be quiet", which is what so many of us have had to do,
    years of illness with no answers, maybe now someone will be held accountable.
    im rambling, sorry
    Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!

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