Has ANYONE with FM tried SAM-e or is it sam-E (:???

Discussion in 'General Health & Wellness' started by Granniluvsu, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Well-Known Member

    I just got in touch on line with a cousin of my husbands and found out that she has FM among other things. She says she has taken SAM-e andit really has helped her woth her pain and helped with her modds. I do not have depression per se but I sure could use a pick me up and maybe it will also help all the pain that I have. I figure it is certainly worth a try.

    I am starting low and slow as they say with 200 mg 1x a day. Didn't want to take it today when I wouldn;t be home alot of the time in case of problems. I have to make sure it doesn't do anything really weird with my b/p for one thing. It is really helping her so I will try. I got some in WM and if I find it is helping me I caneither get it from Sams or the same place I have been getting a lot of my stuff, that you told me about JAM. Not sure if if we are allowed to mention other sites that sell supps. or not.

    Would love to hear from anyone who has tried it. I alaready did get some review and I also know we are all different. Some people love it and others can;t take it for whatever reason.

    Also, I know you are supposed to take it on an empty stomach or at least 1/2 hour before eating. When do you take it?? I can't take it before breakfast as that is when I take my thyroid. Not sure if they would go together. Geez !! The supps and meds are driving me batty.

    Hugz to all,
    Granni

  2. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    I haven't tried it, but read what Mayo Clinic has to say and that might give you some info to go on also.

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    Mayo Clinic
    Original Article:http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/same/NS_patient-same/DSECTION=safety


    SAMe

    SAMe was first discovered in 1953 by a researcher named Cantoni. It is formed in the body from methionine and adenosine triphosphate in a reaction catalyzed by methionine adenosyltransferase. SAMe functions as a primary methyl group donor in a variety of reactions in the body. After donating a methyl group, SAMe is converted to S-adenosyl-homocysteine.

    SAMe is used for psychiatric illnesses, infertility, liver concerns, premenstrual disorders and musculoskeletal disorders, among others.

    SAMe has been studied extensively in the treatment of osteoarthritis and depression. Many trials provide evidence that SAMe reduces the pain associated with osteoarthritis and is well tolerated in this patient population. Some evidence is available for the use of SAMe for intrahepatic cholestasis of pregnancy although additional study is needed in this area. Anti-inflammatory and analgesic (pain relieving) activity has also been attributed to SAMe.

    Future well-designed clinical trials are required in the areas of depression, fibromyalgia and liver cholestasis before a strong recommendation can be made in these areas.

    Synonyms

    Ademetionin, ademetionine, adenosylmethionine, Ade-SD4, AdoMet, Geptral (Russian), Gumbaral (German), Heptral (Russian), S-adenosylmethionine, SAM-e, Sammy, Samyr (Italian), sulfoadenosilmethionina (Italian), sulfo-adenosil-L-metionina (Spanish), sulfo-adenosyl-L-methionine sulfate-p-toluensulfonate (stable salt form), sulfo-adenosyl-methionine.

    Evidence

    These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.

    Osteoarthritis

    SAMe has been studied extensively in the treatment of osteoarthritis. SAMe reduces the pain associated with osteoarthritis and is well tolerated in this patient population. Although an optimal dose has yet to be determined, SAMe appears as effective as the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS). Additional study is warranted to confirm these findings. B

    Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
    Preliminary evidence from an open trial suggests that SAMe may be of benefit for adults with

    ADHD. More study is needed in this area. C

    Cholestasis (pregnancy)
    Curently, there is insufficient available evidence to recommend for or against the use of SAMe for cholestasis (build up of bile in the liver) in pregnant women. It is important to note that there is no information on the use of SAMe prior to the third trimester. C

    Cholestasis (non-pregnant)
    SAMe may be beneficial for pruritus (severe itching) and serum bilirubin levels associated with cholestasis associated with non-pregnancy. However, additional study is needed. C

    Depression
    SAMe has been studied for use in depression for many decades, however, currently available trials are inconclusive. C

    Fibromyalgia
    Since fibromyalgia is characterized by chronic pain and depressive symptoms, there is an increased interest in studying SAMe for this indication. Current available evidence, however, does not appear to show any benefit of SAMe over placebo in reducing the number of tender points and in alleviating depression. Additional study is needed to confirm these findings. C

    Liver disease (general)
    Preliminary evidence suggests that SAMe may normalize levels of liver enzymes in individuals with liver disease. Additional study is needed in this area. C

    Key to grades
    A Strong scientific evidence for this use
    B Good scientific evidence for this use
    C Unclear scientific evidence for this use
    D Fair scientific evidence against this use (it may not work)
    F Strong scientific evidence against this use (it likely does not work)

    Grading rationale
    Uses based on tradition or theory

    The below uses are based on tradition or scientific theories. They often have not been thoroughly tested in humans, and safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.

    Acetaminophen metabolism (hepatic cirrhosis), adjustment disorder, aging, alcoholism, Alzheimer's disease, anxiety, bilirubin and polyphyrin metabolism disorders, bursitis, cirrhosis (primary biliary), dementia, bipolar disorder, drug/toxin induced hepatotoxicity (liver damage), gastritis (hemorrhagic), Gilbert's syndrome, heart disease, hepatitis, high cholesterol, infertility, intrahepatic cholestasis (oral-contraceptive-induced), intrahepatic cholestasis (total parenteral nutrition-induced), ischemic stroke, lead toxicity, male sterility, migraine, multiple sclerosis, pancreatitis, myelopathy (spinal cord injury), Parkinson's disease, post-concussive syndrome, postpartum depression, premenstrual syndrome, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, psychiatric illness, rheumatoid arthritis, seizures, Sjogren's syndrome, systemic sclerosis, tendonitis.

    Dosing

    The below doses are based on scientific research, publications, traditional use, or expert opinion. Many herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly tested, and safety and effectiveness may not be proven. Brands may be made differently, with variable ingredients, even within the same brand. The below doses may not apply to all products. You should read product labels, and discuss doses with a qualified healthcare provider before starting therapy.

    Adults (18 years and older):

    Both oral (taken by mouth) and intravenous (injection) preparations of SAMe have been studied in clinical trials with some evidence of benefit for certain conditions. SAMe appears effective for osteoarthritis, and 600-1,200 milligrams has been taken daily in 1-3 divided doses for 10-84 days. Up to 1,600 milligrams has been taken for up to two weeks for the treatment of cholestasis. For depression, 800-1,600 milligrams daily was the most commonly used dosage range in clinical studies, for up to six weeks. For fibromyalgia, 400 milligrams twice daily has been used. For intrahepatic cholestasis of pregnancy, 500 milligrams given twice daily has been used. For general liver disease, 600-1,200 milligrams daily has also been used.

    As an injection into the muscle, the most common dose for SAMe is 200-400 milligrams for 2-4 weeks. Both S-adenosyl-L-methionine 1,4-butanedisulphonate stable salt and disulfate-p-toluenesulfonate stable salt have been studied as injections. 500mg SAMe twice daily has also been delivered in a slow running infusion for twelve days followed by oral administration of 500mg twice daily. Injections should only be given under the supervision of a qualified healthcare professional, including a pharmacist.

    Children (younger than 18 years):

    There is no proven safe or effective dose for SAMe in children.

    Safety

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not strictly regulate herbs and supplements. There is no guarantee of strength, purity or safety of products, and effects may vary. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should speak with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy. Consult a healthcare provider immediately if you experience side effects.

    Allergies

    Avoid in individuals with a known allergy or hypersensitivity to S-adenosyl-L-methionine. Flushing, erythema (reddening of the skin), palpitation, dizziness, and nausea (symptoms of an anaphylactic reaction) have been reported.

    Side Effects and Warnings

    SAMe has been well tolerated in the majority of clinical trials conducted. The most common adverse effects reported are gastrointestinal in nature with nausea being the most frequently reported. Skin rashes have also been reported. Anxiety and hypomania have been reported mainly in trials that have included patients with bipolar disorder. The use of SAMe has not been adequately studied in the pediatric and elderly population, in pregnancy other than the third trimester, or during breastfeeding.

    When given as an injection, diluted SAMe has caused superficial phlebitis (inflammation of a vein) and tachycardia (increased heart rate), increased perspiration, transient pain at the injection site, arm soreness, flushing, erythema (reddening of the skin), palpitation, dizziness, nausea, pruritus (itching), urticaria ("hives"), and epigastric pain.

    SAMe may lower blood sugar levels. Caution is advised in patients with diabetes or hypoglycemia, and in those taking drugs, herbs, or supplements that affect blood sugar. Serum glucose levels may need to be monitored by a qualified healthcare professional, including a pharmacist, and medication adjustments may be necessary.

    When taken by mouth or by injection, SAMe may cause a hot sensation and itchiness of the ear, nausea, vomiting, dry mouth, heartburn, blood in the stool, anorexia, mild diarrhea, stomachaches, slight constipation, increased thirst, increased salivation, urinary frequency, intolerable bowel symptoms, gas, and decreased appetite. Anxiety, insomnia, hypomania, hostility, insomnia, elevated mood, psychoactivation, headache, suicidal ideation, hyperactivity, a reduced need for sleep, and bursts of energy have also been reported.

    Pregnancy and Breastfeeding

    SAMe crosses the placenta. SAMe is not recommended in the first trimester or during breastfeeding due to a lack of available scientific evidence. However, SAMe has been used in the third trimester for the treatment of intrahepatic cholestasis with no reported adverse effects in the pregnant women or their newborn babies. A single study of SAMe included women in second trimester with no adverse effects noted. Use cautiously in women in their third trimester of pregnancy; SAMe should only be used in pregnancy if the benefits clearly outweigh the risks.

    Methodology

    This patient information is based on a professional level monograph edited and peer-reviewed by contributors to the Natural Standard Research Collaboration (www.naturalstandard.com).

    Monograph methodology

    Selected references

    1. Arnold O, Saletu B, Anderer P, et al. Double-blind, placebo-controlled pharmacodynamic studies with a nutraceutical and a pharmaceutical dose of ademetionine (SAMe) in elderly subjects, utilizing EEG mapping and psychometry. Eur.Neuropsychopharmacol. 2005;15(5):533-543.
    2. Binder T, Salaj P, Zima T, et al. Randomized prospective comparative study of ursodeoxycholic acid and S-adenosyl-L-methionine in the treatment of intrahepatic cholestasis of pregnancy. J Perinat Med 2006;34(5):383-91.
    3. Bogarapu S, Bishop JR, Krueger CD, et al. Complementary medicines in pediatric bipolar disorder. Minerva Pediatr 2008 Feb;60(1):103-14.
    4. Bradley JD, Flusser D, Katz BP, et al. A randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trial of intravenous loading with S-adenosylmethionine (SAM) followed by oral SAM therapy in patients with knee osteoarthritis. J Rheumatol. 1994;21(5):905-911.
    5. Burrows RF, Clavisi O, Burrows E. Interventions for treating cholestasis in pregnancy (Cochrane Review). Cochrane Database Syst Rev 2001;4:CD000493.
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  3. Granniluvsu

    Granniluvsu Well-Known Member

    Jam and Two Cats -

    Thanks for the info. I am taking 1 per day so far of the 200 mg. SAM-e. So far, I don't think there is much of anything happening but my husbands long lost cousin with FM swears by it. I think she is taking a lot though.

    Jam - BTW, I am taking 200 mg 2x a day of GE. Oh yeah, I push myself to do things to stay sane. Otherwise I would be going coo coo lying in the bed all day and getting stiffer by the minute. I may try taking two a day for awhile of the SAM-e but am going really slow due top my b/p and know anything I put in my mouth could make it go up now. I had this so long when I had so many responsibilities I couldn't stay in bed. I guess I am like my mom who had alot of pain through arthritis and was a hard worker. Thatis all she did all day - work and outside the home PT and in the home and had no childhood, just work - long sad story there.

    TwoCats - thanks for taking the time to write all that out for me. I have been investgating on my own and will keep trying for awhile but it is too expensive to keep taking if there is no benefit. I am taking enough stuff as it is.

    Hugs to you both,
    Granni