Herxing For No Apparent Reason

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Mikie, Jan 25, 2006.

  1. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I must have unwittingly been exposed to a pathogen because my immune system hammered it big time. For the last two days, I've felt very sweaty and my lymph nodes have been swollen. Today, I have the telltale headache and diarrhea from hell. It has the trademark odor of death. Soooooo glad to have the toxic dead pathogens out of my body. I always feel better following a Herx.

    It is time to pulse my transfer factors but I think I'll wait a couple of weeks. I've worked so hard to rebuild my immune system, but an overreactive immune system can cause autoimmunity and I try to be careful about that.

    I am still mostly in remission and am getting out more. There are so many people sick down here and I expect I ran into someone with some kind of bug or the Shingles. Being around anyone with Shingles causes a massive immune response in me. There is so little known about the Herpes Family Viruses. I think they cause far worse problems than the medical community is aware of. My specialist believes this also.

    To me, this is a good sign that all my hard work has paid off and my immune system is healthier. Just wanted everyone to know that I think we can improve our immune systems. It just takes a lot of effort and time.

    Love, Mikie
  2. windblade

    windblade Active Member

    How do you prevent an overactive immune system? I'm pretty sure that mine is still up-regulated.

    I don't catch colds or viruses easily - I can shake them off quickly, and my husband works in a grammar school bringing home lots of germs.

    Recently I thought I had a virus, but now realize it was a herxing response to gastric enzymes that I was taking for the first time.

    I'm so glad that you're healing well and stronger!
  3. HppeandMe

    HppeandMe New Member

    Hi Mikie- I hope you are feeling much better. I agree that the herpes virus also play a large role in these disorders. Does your doctor recommend anything to keep them away?

    Please take good care of yourself and stay away from those people with all of those bugs. ;-) Yeah right if it were so easy.
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I appreciate all the good wishes. Now that the Herx seems to be over, I am feeling well again.

    It is really difficult to tell about an immune system which overreacts. As y'all know one side of our immune systems is lazy and the other side overreacts. There are things which are immune modulators which help our immune systems heal. I believe, though, that until we rid ourselves of the chronic stealth infections which our lazy sides don't detect, the healing won't take place.

    Dr. Cheney recommends the undenatured whey and I think this has really helped me. The transfer factors have also done a lot to retrain my immune system.

    Before that, the Doxycycline and Famvir were necessary to kill as many pathogens as possible. I followed that up with the Heparin, which is an immune modulator, and finally, the TF's.

    The stealth pathogens incorporate our own DNA to hide from the immune system. When they break open a dead cell to go in search of a new one to infect, they can drag some of our own DNA with them. If the immune system starts to identify our DNA as a foreign substance, autoimmunity may result. I believe that one is likely genetically predisposed to autoimmune diseases so that unless one carries this risk, it probably won't happen. Trouble is, we don't know which ones of us carry the risk.

    Just more of the puzzle pieces of these illnesses. Someday, we'll know more. Thanks again, all, for you kind wishes.

    Love, Mikie
  5. windblade

    windblade Active Member

    for all this valuable information. I'm going to print it out and do some more research.

    There's always something more to learn, which encourages me.

    So VERY glad to hear that you are feeling well again.

    Love, Judy
  6. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I'm glad if any of this is of value to you. Most everything which I have learned started here and all my treatments are a result of things I learned here. This website and our members have been a Godsend to me. Good luck to you.

    Love, Mikie
  7. victoria

    victoria New Member

    IMO it is hard to herx unexpectedly... wonder if the shingles could set off other herpes virii? I wouldn't put anything past anything these days!

    Did you ever have your heart tested the way Cheney is now recommending? Several people here have, and found they had the problem with the diastolic function (think I got it right)...

    all the best,
    Victoria
  8. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Well, my neighbor no longer has signs of Shingles on her skin but Heaven only knows how long the virus hangs around. I hate to treat her like Typhoid Mary. Also, because I've been feeling better, I've been out and about more. I could have come into contact with something.

    I have Herxed before when I wasn't on ABX or AV's. I think as our immune systems improve, they are geared up for war. The TF's keep the immune system on its toes too. It seems as though my immune system used to let things slip by but no longer does. I feel cold sores trying to break out on my lip but they never get to that stage now.

    I'm seeing my cardiologist in May and will ask about the standing echocardiogram. They did mine lying down. All my tests came out fine and this doc said that there was no way I would have cardiomyopathy with the test results I had. Of course, he was unaware of Dr. Cheney's work. I wonder whether they are getting caught up on mailing out the video tapes of his discussion on this at the DFW meeting.

    Hope you are well. How goes the house sale? I saw a cute little house very cheap in realtor.com in Athens but it's just a bit too small and I don't know the neighborhood. I think it's a good thing that I didn't get that first house. It's about the same size as my kids' house in Atlanta and their Dec. util. bill was more than $400. Yikes!

    The weather down here is so incredible that the desire to move just isn't there for me. I am so much better that I am going to contact the State Rehab office and SS to see whether I can work part time. I may just stay. Of course, when hurricane season rolls around, I may sing a different tune :)

    Love, Mikie