How long should I abstain from milk?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia and ME & Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' started by overground55, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. overground55

    overground55 Member

    I have what I have come to believe is post nasal drip for over a year now, although it hasn't been confirmed by any medical specialist. I am constantly snorting, hacking and coughing throughout each day. every once in a while I'll cough up these stinky white balls that I believe are called tonsilloliths. some days it seems slightly worse than others, but every day for over a year now I've suffered with this. My question is how to go about handling this. I feel as though it might be I have an allergy to lactose, but I fear the thought of giving up all milk products. What should I do? Should I give up milk to see if thats the cause of my problems? How long must I give it up to know whether its the cause? What if it is the cause? Is there some sort of way I can better handle milk products if they are causing this problem? Thank you to anyone who can share their advice on this matter.
  2. hugocfs

    hugocfs Member

    Hi OG55,

    I am not a medical doctor so take this all with a big grain of salt (make sure it contains no lactose). Eliminate all dairy for 6 weeks, and you have to be very strict about this. A lot of things like bread have milk added to them, so you have to check all labels carefully. As a milk replacement, I use almond milk, but there are others like soy milk, rice milk, and coconut milk. If this clears your problem, then you found your answer. If not, look somewhere else.

    There is a blood test for lactose intolerance as well, which you would think would be much easier. This summer I have been having problems with intermittant diarrhea since I started adding plain non-fat yogurt to my green smoothies on the advice of my g.p. I mentioned it to my cfs doctor, and she said contact my gasteroenterologist to get tested for lactose intolerance. I called the gasteroenterologist's office, and they said this is something my g.p. should handle. I contact them and they wrote the scrip for the bloodtest with no problem. I show up at Quest, and they say first I need a scrip for the lactose (and btw good luck in getting that) and second generally the g.p. draws the blood for this kind of test. I contact the g.p. again and ask for the lactose scrip, and they refuse to write it. So maybe eliminating the dairy is easier after all. And maybe it is time for me to get a new g.p.

    Hugo
  3. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Dairy products are a huge allergy group...I don't touch cow's milk and haven't for a long time...for my milk needs in coffee and my green drink mix, I use coconut milk...do a search on CO and there is a lot of info here as we've discussed it a lot here.

    I've talked about grape seed extract and pycnogenol since I came here in 2006, my allergies and sinus issue are history since on these antioxidants since 1995.....

    But, I would definitely stop drinking mucos making milks....

    This makes me think of a friend who is now gone, but she drank milk a lot and was always full of mucos and it was pretty bad. I couldn't get to her, she took grape seed ex for a while but went off it when she had a surgery and never went back on. I gave up on trying to help her....everyone does what they choose. jam
  4. mbofov

    mbofov Member

    One can have a milk allergy or be lactose intolerant - they are two different things. And Jam is right - dairy products are a huge allergy group. If you have a milk allergy, you have to stay away from dairy products. One of my sisters has asthma and has an inhaler and the whole nine yards. Dairy allergy runs in my family but she will not give up her milk, prefers to have her asthma.

    If someone is lactose intolerant, then I think there are products which can help their bodies digest dairy products, although it would probably be better to stay away altogether.

    I think a dairy allergy is more likely to cause the sinus and mucous problems you're having, whereas lactose intolerant problems would be more gastro-intestinal.

    I have a dairy allergy and haven't drank milk in years and years, don't miss it a bit, and rarely have yogurt. I do eat a little cheese but seem okay with that.

    Anyways, I would do what Hugo suggests and stay away from all dairy for 6 weeks and see how you do. And there are lots of options in place of dairy, as Jam suggested.

    Mary
  5. hugocfs

    hugocfs Member

    I told you I wasn't a medical doctor. Mary, thanks for the correction. You learn something new everyday.
  6. mbofov

    mbofov Member

    Hugo - I'm not a doctor either, I just learned that a long time ago when my dairy allergy was discovered by an unusual doctor who tests his patients for food allergies and does hair analysis , etc. - he works primarily with nutrition and supplements, avoiding drugs whenever possible - I wish all doctors had his training!
  7. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    Think about this one....we humans are the only living beings who consume MILK after weaned from mothers....all the creatures of the world, don't go around seeking out milk when grown.
  8. altamont03

    altamont03 Member

    Dear overground 55,
    First let me say I really sympathize because I have big problems with same. After six years of allergy immunotherapy, I am much better. Food allergies are fairly rare, although you may have sensituvity to lactose, but I would suggest that this whole post nasal drip thing is also just a feature of fibromyalgia and possibly other allergies to dust, mold, etc. Or it could be a both-and situation. Here's a practical piece of advice to check out with your doctor (and I hope you have an allergist). I went to an emeritus allergist at George Washington University Hospital in Washington, D.C. for awhile and he shared this tip they use with pediatric allergy patients because I could not tolerate any of the nose sprays normally used to alleviate post nasal drip (triggered migraines). I do nasal lavage everyday with a NeilMed kit. When I get down to about 3 Tbsp of buffered saline solution, I add 0.5 mg/2ml of budesonide inhalation suspension to my saline and sniff it up in small increments. This dries up my drip but doesn't trigger migraines. You may want to have your doctor research this therapy and the use of nasal lavage to keep your sinuses cleared out. This is a very gentle approach.
  9. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I suddenly developed problems with dairy. I can have it if I take Lactaid tablets except for ice cream. It still bothers me. I also have a problem with wheat but have found that now that I don't eat much of it, I can tolerate a bit now and then. A lot of what I thought was an allergy to the wheat was likely caused by dairy. Both sensitivities showed up about the same time.

    Good luck to you.

    Love, Mikie
  10. overground55

    overground55 Member

    Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate all the insight everyone here has put forward. This sounds idiotic, but I really don't want to give up milk unless I have to. What area of the medical field should I contact in order to find out whats going on? Do I need x-rays, or just testing to see what my allergies are? should I go to some other specialty that I haven't thought of?
  11. IanH

    IanH Active Member

    If you have a post nasal drip then the cause could be many but it may also be a natural thing for you but being aggravated or increased by a number of different things:
    Allergy has been covered by others, however milk is a known aggravator, rarely an allergic problem.
    Similarly some foods can be aggravators, such as curry or some spices generally
    some people react strongly to high fats in diet with increased mucus flow for some hours after ingestion.
    It can also be from sinusitus which is inflammatory or sometimes a persistent infection.
    It can also be a symptom of allergic rhinitus. Not all people who have allergic rhinitus have itchy eyes etc.

    People with ME seem to suffer more from this than others but whether it is infection or inflammation isn't known. Some people with ME are constantly clearing their throats which in itself becomes an irritant of the throat.

    We have used the following with some success:
    allergy test to rule out an allergy (however these tests are never definitive)
    increase vitamin D intake, because vitamin D reduces both nasal and oral inflammation and infection by increasing cathelicidin and beta-defensin in the nasal cavity
    change diet according to what the aggravator is
    take an anti-histamine such as ranitidine hydrochloride

    Since milk is actually very good for you, before giving up milk I would try lactose free milk for a month and see if it helps because lactose is an aggravator for many people. Also lactose intolerance can be a temporary thing depending on many factors, it is not necessarily a permanent condition or trait.

    The fact you are coughing up large globs of mucus suggests infection.

    note if you take vitamin D then you should take 5000IU along with 400mg magnesium (such as magnesium citrate, magnesium glycinate or magnesium threonate)
  12. jaminhealth

    jaminhealth Well-Known Member

    If a person doesn't want to give up dairy milk, then why not get on grape seed extract and see if this supp will help you....I've been taking it 18 yrs next month and allergies/sinus issues are history....

    For me I have no desire for cows milk, I know my daughter still has her children drinking milk, but she buys
    organic milk only.....these kids have their post nasal issues....but I'm not raising them, she is....they will deal
    with all their health issues as they age. jm