Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by doxygirl, Jun 30, 2007.

  1. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    What an emotional evening it has been for me!

    My DH took me to see the movie "sicko" and there wasn't a dry eye in the house!

    Iam overwhelmed!

    This movie is a "wakeup" call for all americans......and it certainly has proven to me that ANYONE in this country could loose everything they have due to the corruption going on, with the pharmaceutical and medical insurance companies and our government!

    Iam MAD as heck........and all I can say is ............


    Iam ashamed that everyone but THE AMERICAN citizens have free medical and dental...you can clearly see in this movie how the countries that provide their citizens free medical care, and treat them with respect as humans ....all look so relaxed and much calmer than our society!

    He makes the CLEAR point in the movie that other countries Dr's get paid more the more they help the patients...and here in AMERICA the Dr's get bonuses and more money the more they DON'T help patients!How SICK is that!!!!!!!!!!

    Now what is wrong with this picture?

    After seeing this "eye opening" movie I feel "SICKO" and ashamed for the American citizens of this country!

    PLEASE GO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hugs to you all

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  2. rachel432

    rachel432 New Member

    as soon as my husband an i have a night off together we are planning on seeing this movie. We were unable to afford insurance for my DH for about 3yrs and those were some nerve racking years. fortunatly i now have a job that we can conver him on my insurance again. But it's really scary to know that if something happens you knw that you have no way to pay for it.

    also i work part time still as a nurse and i see first hand just how messed up our health care system is and how 1 illness can financially ruin a family. i am encouraging everyone i know to go see this film no matter what there personal politics are because this michael moore film isn't about politics like the other have been, it's about saving lives.

  3. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    One very important thing to keep the focus on is that this movie is not just about those without health ins.....it is about the ones who DO have it!

    It proves in this movie that when you DO have ins you in all probability will be denied medical services even when they are life threatening situations.............sometime down the road........that is enevitable, if we do not fight together to make a CHANGE!

    If we don't all pull together and put a stop to this it will only get worse and I can't even fathom the end result when and if that were to happen!

    NO ONE is exempt from losing everything due to the SICKO way our medical, dental, and prescription system is being ran!


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  4. ask2266

    ask2266 Member

    After going through a coma, hospital care, rehab, and now cfids, I can say that I have experienced all of this first hand!

    Thank you, Michael Moore, for opening the eyes of healthy Americans so they can see what's going on!!!

  5. SusanEU

    SusanEU New Member

    Hi Doxy, I know he raises many vaild points.

    I have to stress though that the rosy picture he painted of Canada's healthcare is not quite so rosy.

    We have very long waiting lines in hospitals and medical centres and for specialists, it is almost impossible to find family doctors anymore, we are NOT covered for dental, prescriptions, and many other things (not even eye exams anymore). The lucky ones are the ones who have private insurance through their employers (I am not one). Even the blood work for ovarian and prostrate cancers has to be paid out of pocket.

    If you are rich here, you can afford much better care - so, as much as the pundits try and deny it - we very much have one system for the rich and one for the poor.

    Sue in Ontario
  6. Suzan

    Suzan New Member

    And Moore says..we should take the good things from all the countries around the world..and take them and use them to fix our messed up system!

    You may not like the way this man imparts information..but he tells the truth as it is. My hope is that the people get the message..and we change what is so obviously broken.

    I have always been very proud to be an American, but currently, there are a few things that are embarassing about how things are working in the country, and the health care/pharmaceutical industry problems are definately an embarassment in the richest land in the world.

    I hope this film inspires those running for president to hear the call..and put forth real plans to change what is broken!
  7. jole

    jole Member

    I know for a fact that Canada does NOT have the health care that so many of you seem to envision. My brother was at a meeting there and stopped breathing. He was rushed to the best hospital in that area because they thought he had a heart attack. He was given CPR and the entire cardiac protocol, but NOT until they found out he was from the US and had BC/BS.

    He was put in intensive care and given the best treatment they had to offer....which he said did NOT compare to here. He had an alzheimer patient in and out of his room several times, and if he had not had money he would have been shipped out!! He did NOT have a heart attack, but rather a serious reaction from having a tooth pulled the day before he left the states. It took them 3 days to figure it out...and by then he had racked up quite the bill for coronary care.

    He was even told how happy they were to see someone with insurance, because it is so rare for them to be able to charge that much and get it. But his care was below standard. Soo....if this is their best hospital, I'm sorry, but I'll keep our care.

    I am greatful to Michael Moore for getting the message out about our health insurance, or lack thereof, and am afraid we will also be without before long. But what good is the insurance if your care is substandard?
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  8. Andrew111

    Andrew111 Member

    Did the movie also get into the quality of the health care. Stuff like this: http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/When-Doctors-Strike--Fewer-People-Die-18998.aspx
  9. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    Iam glad that so many people agree that something has to change with our system!

    Joannla,How nice of you to ask about my house situation.....the company has sent us paperwork........and Iam in the process of filling it out ..........Iam optomistic that they will work with us...since we have the arrears money.....

    the thing that needs to be worked out is the fees they have added on...........please keep the prayers coming and the fingers crossed.............

    thank you so much for asking.............

    and to all thank you for your prayers and positive thoughts........also for being here for me!

  10. NyroFan

    NyroFan New Member


    I haven't seen the movie yet, but am dying to see it.
    I've heard much about it.

    I have seen his other movies and they are eye-openers.

    The things that have been resolved in Europe are still major problems in this country.

  11. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    Nyrofan, Wakey, Joannla, Andrew, Jole, Suzan, Susaneu, Ask, Rachel, and Hotpepper............

    for helping to keep this post going!

    I wanted to add to this post since Wakey mentioned not voting because they never keep their promises...that in the movie "SICKO" they explain very clearly how "THEY" put a STOP to any politicians that try to change things.....

    For an example: remember when Hilary Clinton was gun ho for health care when her husband went into office? well.........you could see and hear the passion in her in regards to changing health care so we could all have the same quality care!

    and maybe no one remembers that all of a sudden she was silent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In the movie they show you why.....and Iam going to tell you what the movie showed....IT SHOWED HER BEING PAID TO SHUT HER MOUTH AND SHE WAS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO MENTION IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    IT MADE ME SICK WHEN I SAW THAT SO WAKEY IS RIGHT ........even those that want to change things for us and have their heart and head in the right place it will never happen because they will be paid off!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is going to take a majority of us to make this happen!!!!!!!

    I hope everyone who is interested and or wants this corruption to change to read the last sentence carefully.....


    They cannot afford to pay us all off............and even if they could wouldn't it be easier to just give us all the health care we have earned?


    Hugs and thanks for every one's help!

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  12. victoria

    victoria New Member

    that our illustrious federal representatives voted to take away the right to bankrupt against medical bills, the #1 reason middle-class families do bankrupt.

    Our gov't is also the only one who did not negotiate prices for prescription drugs, not only for the general public but for our Medicare drug program... and then they moan about it all going broke?!?! AND then they have the nerve to defend the insurance companies' making record profits off of us all (just like the oil industries).

    I'm glad it's been brought out on this thread that Canada's system doesn't work too well. I understand many (altho not all) socialized medical systems often do not work well. They have little choice as to doctors, from what I understand every referral has to be done first thru their primary GP - please correct me if I'm wrong.

    --considering some of the really stupid doctors I've seen over my lifetime, that is scary.

    While Hillary was passionate about changing things, and no surprise if she was paid off... keep in mind her proposed plan was not going to give a choice as to doctors.

    People who have money can always find a way to go outside the system... they do and are doing this in countries with socialized medicine. The rest are left to deal with the system, and I honestly believe they count on a certain percentage to die before getting proper care.

    In the mean time they are trying to take away our supplements/herbs.

    The list goes on and on. It is probably unstoppable ultimately as the pharma etc lobbies are one of the biggest.

    Maybe if they nationalized the pharmaceutical companies tho???? That could be a start... and fund research that seeks to not justmaximize drug company's profits. Somehow. I'm not against incentive. It's just that it's all gotten out of hand.

    Remember the polio vaccines made with green monkeys... &, think there was some shady doings there and some 'shortcuts' in order to be the first to come up with the first vaccines as obviously they'd make a lot of money.

    Greed is just a part of human nature, seems to overtake human compassion all too often.

    all the best, despite the system

  13. victoria

    victoria New Member

    talking about insurance companies...

    I'll never forget how, when my DH was practicing as a psychologist treating severe anorexia nervosa, the daughter of one of the regents of a major state university wanted treatment.

    She had blue cross/blue shield, but they wouldn't cover it at first. BUT, after her daddy talked to some people, we got a letter saying they would make an exception and pay for her treatment, but literally to not tell anyone! This was a good 20+ years ago btw...

    Lots of bitterness on this subject of insurance companies as I've seen too much of how they treat patients and wiggle out of contracts or pervert the wording....

  14. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    it seems fairly clear that SOMETHING BIG has got to change here in the US!

    I know it has been brought up about the canada socialized health care system and some patients having to wait hours....


    I'd also like to say that I have waited never less than an hour each and every time I see my pcp and on some visits as long as three grueling hours!

    Not to get off the subject but I did tell my husband this weekend that if my Dr's patients all walked out of his office ( because ALL of his patients have to wait at least one to three hours ) he would STOP making his patients wait!

    It is my fault as much as all his other patients that tolerate it!

    The thing that cracks me up is there is a big sign right on the receptionist window stating that if ANYONE is more than 15 minutes late your appt will be re-scheduled no exceptions!

    I say "WHAT NERVE" do they have making us wait up to three hours and if were 15 min late we are repremanded!

    Just like the health care system it isn't going to change unless WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  15. Debra49659

    Debra49659 New Member

    This is just what I read and I can not speak out of experience...but I read that Canadian is racking 4th in health care...the US much lower.

    Wish I could remember where I read that.

  16. happycanuk

    happycanuk New Member

    and I have to tell you, although we may not get a hip operation in 3 days or knee surgery at the same pace, we do get EXCELLENT care. I have been in my smaller regional hospital for heart problems, and i was not let in ER for longer than the time it took to check in. Had I been having more difficulties, even that would have been done later.

    I don't know where you get your info, but I live in Alberta and our health care is great. Yes, I need a referral to a specialist, but our Drs. our excellent. The University Hospital in Edmonton, has the Stollery Childrens Hospital and children from all over the world come here for care. Also, they have some of the best researchers from around the world (even Americans are included in this) at this hospital. They have made great progress with protocols for diabetes and heart. If I needed a hospital (if I was in crisis) that is exactly where I would want to be.

    Yes, again, it is hard to find a General Practicioner as all the DRs. are run off their feet. We have had a boom going on here for several years and not many new Drs. They all go for the BIG money in the US, but a lot come back because they don't like getting sued.

    Canada, like any other place, has it's share of incompetent people, but DON'T judge out system until you live in it. I can go to the Dr., get x-rays, mri's, c-scans, and any other medical test and not pay anything. If there is a reason for someone to have PTA or a CA125, they DO NOT have to pay for it. If you just want one to be certain that you don't have a caner, you do pay, but it is only $35.00 in Alberta - it won't break the bank.

    I do have additional insurance to cover prescriptions, chiro, optomitrists etc. Canada Health was meant to cover the basic needs of people and they do meet that.
  17. happycanuk

    happycanuk New Member

    Yes, it does take a while to see a specialist, but if it is urgent you do get put ahead. I don't think I have heard of too many people dying, waiting to see a specialist. People are also VERY, VERY demanding and with the years of computerized everythings, NO health care system can pay for it.

    It depends on which province you live as well. Alberta seems to be bursting at the seams. Our ER's are full of people with the FLU and that is NOT what it is meant for. An emergency is an emergency!

    I still wouldn't trade it for the American system. At least I can live without bankruptcy!

    The Danish system is great. It is a social government. The people pay high taxes, but they don't have to beg for disability payments, and health care. Everybody is looked after equally. A lot of countries could learn something from the Scandinavian countries. The people live great over there.
  18. Doober

    Doober New Member

    provide grants and research money for the drug comapanies to find new drugs and other methods of making the current meds work better??? Then the drug companies charge an arm and a leg for the drugs. I have health insurance through work, If I didn't, I can't imagine. There are those who do not and have to pay out of pocket. I see on my meds the money the insurance saves me. It is sickening, that something that should be very simple to make could cost so much. The Lidoderm pain patches are about $250.00 a box. That is rediculous considering someone could go through a box in a week. It wouldn't surprise me that money is revolving around between the politicians and these drug companies while those at the bottom are paying for it.
  19. doxygirl

    doxygirl New Member

    You got that right!

    There is definately a pay off for the pharmaceutical companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In fact there is a fairly new name for this little club of theirs it is called BIG PHARMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. rachel432

    rachel432 New Member

    i currently work for a nurse hotline and i get some of the most heartbreaking phone calls. i have had several calls from people who can no longer afford thier asthma inhalers becuse they changer the propellent in them, not the medication, so they are no longer generic and the co-pay went from $10 to $30. so now these patients are thying to figure out how to use the inhaler less then needed.

    i also get people who call me saying they are having chest pains and i tell them to call 911. they then tell me how expensive an ambulance is and the er visit cost them so much so they want to know how much danger will they really be in if they wait it out for the night and call thier dr in the morning. these are people who could be actively having heart attacks and they are worried about the cost.

    these calls break my heart. these people have some form of insurance which is how they are contracted with my company but they don't make enough money to cover there basic needs and the cost of an er visit will break them. no one should have to basically be betting with thier life because they are worried about how to pay for health care. our system is very broken. i wish people in our government had to listen to the calls i do, maybe it would help speed thing along. they must have hearts, even if they are very small.

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