I meant "FLU INJECTIONS!!!!" TO HAVE OR NOT TO HAVE???

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by SleepyWillow25, Oct 29, 2002.

  1. SleepyWillow25

    SleepyWillow25 New Member

    Hi All,

    I felt I needed to comment on this subject. I am sure I posted
    something in here about ti before but maybe that was another group....

    Everytime I have had the flu shot I have ended up in hospital with
    the BAD flu and chest infections. Two weeks after my hubby came to
    Australia I was in hospital on and off for a few weeks because of it.

    I have been told by Dr. L and my CFS doctor before that because of my
    personal CFS and other problems it is far better for me to have the
    shot then to get the full blown flu.

    Most doctors will say you can not catch the flu from a flu shot.
    Guess what??? CFS ppl can!!!! I am not at all suprised seeming how
    our bodies and our immune systems work.

    Every year I am so afraid to take that flu injection, i voiced my
    concerns to Dr. L late last year and he said that the year before he
    had 10 ppl with CFS and immune problems end up in hospital cos of the
    flu injection and that that year he only had one.

    A week before the flu injection he gives me and others a strong
    medication called 'Predisolone". I slowly increase it for three days
    and then decrease for three days until I am completely off it.

    I used it for the first time this last winter and guess what? No
    reaction what so ever, not even a cold... I was stoked!!!!! :)

    Love

    Belle

  2. SleepyWillow25

    SleepyWillow25 New Member

    Hi All,

    I felt I needed to comment on this subject. I am sure I posted
    something in here about ti before but maybe that was another group....

    Everytime I have had the flu shot I have ended up in hospital with
    the BAD flu and chest infections. Two weeks after my hubby came to
    Australia I was in hospital on and off for a few weeks because of it.

    I have been told by Dr. L and my CFS doctor before that because of my
    personal CFS and other problems it is far better for me to have the
    shot then to get the full blown flu.

    Most doctors will say you can not catch the flu from a flu shot.
    Guess what??? CFS ppl can!!!! I am not at all suprised seeming how
    our bodies and our immune systems work.

    Every year I am so afraid to take that flu injection, i voiced my
    concerns to Dr. L late last year and he said that the year before he
    had 10 ppl with CFS and immune problems end up in hospital cos of the
    flu injection and that that year he only had one.

    A week before the flu injection he gives me and others a strong
    medication called 'Predisolone". I slowly increase it for three days
    and then decrease for three days until I am completely off it.

    I used it for the first time this last winter and guess what? No
    reaction what so ever, not even a cold... I was stoked!!!!! :)

    Love

    Belle

  3. herblady

    herblady New Member

    there are those into alternative health that say flu shots mess up your immune system. ridiculous. they make your immune system do exactly what it supposed to do. and i get my flu shot every fall. and the pneumonia one when necessary. i have emphysema, and the flu being a respiratory infection, can quickly turn into pneumonia with me. which could kill me. i would SO much rather take a shot. it's the only thing that makes sense, especially if you have a lung disease. cindi
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    There are those of us, like you, who have had horrible reactions and would never take the injections. There have been well-documented epidemics of post-vaccine complications. No vaccinations are without their risk, including vaccine contamination.

    On the other hand, many people believe in them and get them every year. My Mom never missed getting one and although she had FMS, the shots never affected her.

    What everyone needs to understand is that every year, the health organizations get together and guess which
    strain(s) of influenza will be a threat in the coming flu season. They then develop flu shots to deal with these viruses. In the past, they have misguessed and the flu shot didn't protect people from several strains which caused outbreaks in the population. Flu shots do not guarantee that one will not get the flu. There are all kinds of flu viruses which are not covered by the vaccines.

    For me, personally, it isn't worth the risk as the vaccines always made me sick. No more. I'll take my chances with the flu, especially since my zapper seems to kill off viruses withing 24-48 hours.

    Love, Mikie
  5. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    go to Dr. Mercola's website, but leave off the "Doctor" and add a dot com. He has tons about this subject.
    Klutzo
  6. herblady

    herblady New Member

    i've heard some people say they have had bad reactions to flu shots. i never have. the worst i have had is a sore arm. wonder why that is? cindi
  7. SharonR

    SharonR New Member



    Subject: [BCPOLITICS] Re: [Para-Discuss] Should you get a flu shot?

    Easy enough to find out as I proposed to Dr. Blatherwick last year. Just
    ask for 100 volunteers in Vancouver. Do the usual double-blind study, 50
    in each group: flu shot or dummy shot. Follow up.

    FWP/POC

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Jane Segal wrote:

    > A MEASURE OF COMFORT
    >
    > The Health Sciences Institute e-Alert
    >
    > October 30, 2002
    >
    > ************************************************************
    >
    > Dear Reader,
    >
    > It happens every autumn - the days grow cooler and shorter, Halloween
    >decorations appear in shop windows, and someone always asks this question:
    >
    > "What is your advice on getting a flu shot?"
    >
    > This year, that question came from an HSI member named Karen. And my answer to
    >Karen, and to everyone who asks that question, is that I'm not in a position to give
    >advice about flu shots. Only a doctor or other qualified health care provider should
    >offer such advice. So while I'm not going to recommend or discourage you from a
    >yearly flu shot, I do have information you can use to weigh the pros and cons of the
    >vaccine, along with some useful insights about how to help your immune system prepare
    >for the seasonal attack of virus and bacteria.
    >
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    > No extra charge for the antifreeze
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > There is no doubt that many thousands of the people who receive flu shots this
    >season will make it from Labor Day to Memorial Day without coming down with a case of
    >influenza. So taken at face value: if it works, it works - enough said. But you
    >should stop reading now if you'd like to remain unaware of the complete contents of a
    >flu shot. I'll tell you this: it's not pretty.
    >
    > Each year the flu vaccine is newly redesigned, using several strains from
    >different types of flu that were common the season before. So basically you're
    >getting a vaccine that is, in theory, ideal for protecting you from last year's
    >primary flu types. Meanwhile, vaccine developers cross their fingers and hope that
    >whatever new flu mutation comes our way this season is not much different than last
    >year's flu.
    >
    > But that shot at your doctor's office contains much more than just flu
    >strains. The vaccine is prepared with chicken embryo fluid, inoculated with the
    >living flu strains. The fluid is then treated with formaldehyde to inactivate the
    >virus. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is injected to help preserve the mixture.
    >Ethylene glycol (better known as antifreeze) and another chemical called phenol are
    >added to disinfect. And because animal cells are used for this process, animal
    >viruses are sometimes introduced into the vaccine, undetected. This has happened as
    >recently as 1995.
    >
    > Now ask yourself: If you were intending to purchase a dietary supplement, and
    >the label offered this warning: "May contain traces of formaldehyde, thimerosal,
    >phenol, ethylene glycol, and animal cells," would you buy it?
    >
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    > A "shot" of antioxidant
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > If you pick up a flu virus, you won't necessarily come down with the flu.
    >Whether or not you become ill will depend on how well your immune system deals with
    >the virus. So you might say that a virus doesn't give you the flu - an immune system
    >that doesn't defeat the virus is what gives you the flu. The key is immunity.
    >
    > In 1999 HSI sent out a Members Alert titled "Super-immunity Against Mutating
    >Flu Bugs." In that Alert we told you about N-acetylcysteine (NAC) - an amino acid
    >that naturally stimulates your body to produce glutathione, a powerful antioxidant
    >enzyme. Previous studies have shown that patients with ailments associated with a
    >breakdown in the immune system are often deficient in their levels of glutathione.
    >
    > NAC has been used for many years to treat chronic respiratory ailments with
    >its ability to break up and dissolve the mucus that contributes to pneumonia,
    >bronchitis, asthma and sinusitis. And just a few years ago, an Italian study found
    >that supplementation with N-acetylcysteine (NAC) significantly increased immunity to
    >flu infection. Over a six-month trial, only 29% of those taking NAC developed
    >symptoms of the flu, vs. 51% of those taking a placebo. Of the 262 people taking part
    >in this study, three-quarters were over the age of 65.
    >
    > As I told you in an e-Alert earlier this month ("Storm of the Eye" 10/9/02),
    >300 mg of NAC per day is probably both effective and safe for most people. But it's
    >always a good idea to consult a trusted health care provider before beginning any new
    >supplement regimen.
    >
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    > Wolf on the run
    > -------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > In addition to NAC supplements, there are a number of other supplements that
    >may help keep the flu away from the door. Vitamin C, vitamin E, and beta carotene
    >have all been shown to help fight colds and flu. And for several years HSI members
    >have known about the advantages of selenium - a naturally occurring mineral with
    >antioxidant properties. In an e-Alert I sent you last year ("Popular Supplement Now
    >Shown to Stop Deadly Epidemics" 6/22/01) I told you about a study that concluded that
    >selenium may stop viruses from mutating and becoming more potent.
    >
    > And finally, we have echinacea - the herb that's become so well known in
    >recent years for its apparent ability to help reduce the length and severity of colds
    >and flu. How this is done is not yet known, although some studies have indicated that
    >echinacea may stimulate the production of white blood cells that are necessary to
    >effectively manage viruses. Just last week I found a new study on echinacea from the
    >Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine in Tempe, Arizona. Purported to be one of
    >the first human studies of this herb, the researchers concluded that the
    >effectiveness of echinacea may lie in its ability to strengthen a specific part of
    >the immune system that is known to attack viruses.
    >
    > So if the idea of getting a flu shot is reassuring to you, don't let me stop
    >you. But there's a very good chance that all the flu protection you need can be
    >achieved by getting the right amount of sleep, eating a balanced diet, maintaining a
    >light to moderate exercise regimen, and supplementing with a few proven helpers in
    >the yearly fight between us and the flu bug.
  8. joyof3

    joyof3 New Member

    I am scared to get one. I have been scared of what's in it. i don't get my kid's one my IMHO. stephanie