I need solid information Please Help

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by txangel, May 22, 2003.

  1. txangel

    txangel New Member

    I haven't got to come to the board in awhile and I really miss it. I have always gotten good answers. I am going to the county hopital in Tx because I have ran out of money and can not work anymore. The problem is the doc will not treat the pain only the depression. Where do I go to get information on how to treat fibro? And would it help if I called the Tx medical board? I will do anything I just don't know what to do!!! I appreciate any help!!!
    Aren't they sapose to treat the pain?
  2. Princessraye

    Princessraye New Member

    It may take awhile to find the information but I would do a search on the internet. Maybe type Are physicians required to treat pain?
    Then narrow it down to Texas. See what you can find.

    It is my understanding that with in the last year it was changed and they are required to treat pain.

    If there are more than one Dr. where you go, see if you can get an appointment with a different one.

    Good luck
  3. Applyn59

    Applyn59 New Member

    Here is information on common meds for FMS by a dr. who had fms herself. She has written books as well and also has a website full of great info. Just search for her name. Here is the info on the meds for you.
    Good luck,

    Information about Medications

    Devin Starlanyl
    This information may be freely copied and distributed only if unaltered, with complete original content including: © Devin Starlanyl, 1995-1999
    Often, you may have to try many medications before you find the optimum ones for you. We react differently to each medication, and there is no "cookbook recipe" for FMS or MPS. What works well for one of us can be ineffective for another. A medication which puts one person to sleep may keep another awake. Each of us has our unique combination of neurotransmitter disruption and connective tissue disturbance. We need doctors who are willing to stick with us until an acceptable symptom relief level is reached.
    These are not the only medications in use for FMS & MPS, but are simply a selection to show what is available. It may be necessary to address each perpetuating factor, such as pain, lack of restorative sleep, and muscle rigidity, separately. Medications should be used along with a program of proper diet, life style changes, mind work and bodywork.
    Medications which affect the central nervous system are appropriate for FMS&MPS Complex. They target symptoms of sleep lack, muscle rigidity, pain and fatigue. Pain sensations are amplified by FMS, and so the pain of MPS pain is multiplied. FMS&MPS Complex patients often react oddly to medications.
    It is the rule rather than the exception that a FMS&MPS Complex patient will save strong pain meds from surgery or injury for when they REALLY need it -- for an FMS&MPS Complex "flare". This is a sign that your needs aren't being met. I give you the following quotes. I hope you will pass them on to your doctor. They are from "PAIN A Clinical Manual for Nursing Practice", by McCaffrey and Beebe.
    * Health professionals "often are unaware of their lack of knowledge about pain control."
    * "The health team's reaction to a patient with chronic nonmalignant pain may present an impossible dilemma for the patient. If the patient expresses his depression, the health team may believe the pain is psychogenic or is largely an emotional problem. If the patient tries to hide the depression by being cheerful, the health team may not believe that pain is a significant problem."
    * "Research shows that, unfortunately, as pain continues through the years, the patient's own internal narcotics, endorphins, decrease and the patient perceives even greater pain from the same stimuli."
    * "The person with pain is the only authority about the existence and nature of that pain, since the sensation of pain can be felt only by the person who has it."
    * "Having an emotional reaction to pain does not mean that pain is caused by an emotional problem.
    * "Pain tolerance is the individual's unique response, varying between patients and varying in the same patient from one situation to another."
    * "Respect for the patient's pain tolerance is crucial for adequate pain control."
    * "No evidence supports fear of addiction as a reason for withholding narcotics when they are indicated for pain relief. All studies show that regardless of doses or length of time on narcotics, the incidence of addiction is less than 1%." ]
    This book is so clear and so well documented that I suggested my local library buy it. I wanted everyone in the area to have access to this information. Once you read this book, you get a greater understanding of pain and pain medications, as well as coping mechanisms. Many non-pharmaceutical methods of pain control are also described thoroughly in this reference.
    It's normal to be depressed with chronic pain, but that doesn't mean depression is causing the pain. Maintenance with mild narcotics (Darvocet, Tylenol #3, Vicodin-Lorcet-Lortab) for nonmalignant (non-cancerous) chronic pain conditions be a humane alternative if other reasonable attempts at pain control have failed. The main problem with raised dosages of these medications is not with the narcotic components, per se, but with the aspirin or acetaminophen that is often compounded with them. For medical journal documentation on the use of narcotics for non-malignant chronic pain, see "The Fibromyalgia Advocate". Narcotics should not be given in conjunction with benzodiazepines, as the latter antagonize opioid analgesia.
    Narcotic analgesics are sometimes more easily tolerated than NSAIDS, the Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs. Neither FMS nor MPS is inflammatory. NSAIDS may disrupt stage 4 sleep. Prolonged use of narcotics may result in physiological changes of tolerance or physical dependence (with- drawal), but these are not the same as psychological dependence (addiction). Under-treatment of chronic pain of MPS/FMS results in a worsening contraction which results in even more pain. "Anti- anxiety" medications are not an indication that your symptoms are "all in the head". These medications don't stop the alpha-wave intrusion into delta-level sleep, but they extend quantity of sleep, and may ease daytime symptom "flares".
    Stay tuned to the Fibromyalgia Network for news of more medications of possible use in FMS&MPS Complex.
    Guaifenisen appears to reverse the process of FMS. It is in experimental use. I have a whole chapter in both books on it. A flawed study was done that seemed to show it was no better than placebo.
    Please see the frame on Guaifenisen
    Folic acid:
    This vitamin is often in short supply in FMS & MPS. Drs. Travell and Simons found it especially effective for Restless Leg Syndrome.
    Relafen (nambumetone): this is a NSAID that is often well tolerated because it is absorbed in the intestine, sparing the stomach.
    Benedryl (dyphenhydramine): a helpful sleep aid/antihistamine which is safe in pregnancy. This should be the first sleep medication tried. some patients have reported urinary retention. The starting dose is 50 mg 1 hr. before bed. Increase as tolerated until symptoms are controlled or 300 mgs. About 20% of patients react with excitation rather than sedation when taking Benadryl. (non-prescription)
    Desyrel (Trazodone): an antidepressant that helps with sleep problems. It must be taken with food.
    Atarax (hydroxyzine HCl): suppresses activity in some areas of Central Nervous System to produce an anti-anxiety effect. This antihistamine and anxiety-reliever may be useful when itching is a problem.
    Elavil (amitriptyline): a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) is cheap and sometimes useful. It generates a deep stage four sleep. Most patients will adapt to this med after a few weeks. It can cause photosensitivity and morning grogginess. It often causes weight gain, dry mouth, as well as stopping the normal movements of the intestine. It may cause Restless Leg Syndrome.
    Wellbutrin (bupropion HCl): is a weak Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and antidepressant that is sometimes used in FMS&MPS Complex in place of Elavil. It can promote seizures. It seems to be less likely to promote sexual dysfunction than the most SSRIs.
    Ambien (zolpidem tartate): hypnotic -- sleeping pill, for short-term use for insomnia. There have been reports of serious depression, but some people with FMS find it allows them to experience restorative sleep.
    Soma (carisoprodol): acts on Central Nervous System to relax muscles, not on the muscles themselves. It works rapidly and lasts from 4 to 6 hrs. It helps detach from pain, and modulates erratic neurotransmitter traffic, damping the sensory overload of FMS and muscular rigidity of MPS.
    Flexeril (cyclobensaprine): this medication can sometimes stop spasms, twitches and some tightness of the muscle. It is related chemically to Elavil. It generates stage four sleep, but it may cause gastric upset and a feeling of detachment from life.
    Sinequan (doxepin): heterotricyclic antidepressant and antihistamine. It can produce marked sedation. This medication may enhance Klonopin, but can reduce muscle twitching by itself.
    Prozac (fluoxetine hydrochloride): anti-depressant that increases the availability of serotonin, useful for those patients who sleep excessively, have severe depression and overwhelming fatigue. Some people have reported profound depression from Prozac.
    Ultram (tramadol): non-narcotic, Central Nervous System medication for moderate to severe pain, in a new class of analgesics called CABAs -- Centrally Acting Binary Agents. Many people said it brought more alertness for longer times, and less "fibrofumble" of the fingers. It can lower the seizure threshold. Side-effects reported are grogginess, insomnia (may not be able to take at night), headache or loss of sex drive. Some people have reported profound depression resulting from Ultram.
    Hydrocodone/Guaifenisen Syrup:
    This medication is generally given as a cough suppressant. Each teaspoon contains 5 mg. Hydrocodone and 100 mg Guaifenisen. It has no aspirin or ibuprofen. It may be effective for pain medication, and can be "titrated" because it is in syrup form. The patient can take very small amounts and can find the amount which works without causing undue side effects."
    Xanax (alprazolam): an anti-anxiety medication, that may be enhanced by ibuprofen. It must not be used in pregnancy. It enhances the formation of blood platelets, which store serotonin, and also raises the seizure threshold. When stopping this medication, you must taper it very gradually.
    EMLA: a prescription only topical cream, that may help cutaneous TrPs. It is a mixture of topical anesthetics.
    Pamelor (nortriptyline): this is used to help sleep. Some people find it stimulating, and must take it in the morning. Others use it before bed to help sleep. Some reports of depression with use.
    Klonopin (clonazepam): anti-anxiety medication and anticonvulsive/ antispasmodic. It is useful in dealing with muscle twitching, Restless Leg Syndrome and nighttime grinding of teeth.
    BuSpar (buspirone HCl): may improve memory, reduce anxiety, helps regulate body temperature, and is not as sedating as many other anti-anxiety drugs. This medication often takes a few weeks to take effect.
    Zoloft (sertraline): this is an SSRI and antidepressant, and is commonly used to help sleep. It has less of an effect on liver enzymes than other SSRIs.
    Tagamet, Zantac, Prilosec, Axid: often used to counter esophageal reflux. Tagamet may increase stage 4 sleep, and enhance Elavil. Acid suppressors may interfere with B-12 absorption.
    Paxil (paroxetine HCl): serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and may reduce pain. It should not be used with other meds that also increase brain serotonin. Suggested dosage is 10 mgs (half a scored tablet) may cause insomnia or drowsiness.
    Effexor (venlafaxine HCl):
    Fast acting antidepressant and serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. Suggested trial dosage is 25 mg, taken in the morning. Food has no affect on its absorption. When discontinuing this medication, taper off slowly. May raise blood pressure.
    Inderal (propranolol HCl): sometimes helps in the prevention of migraine headaches, although blood pressure may drop with its use. Antacids will block its effect, and should not be used. May be very useful in decreasing "adrenalin rush".
    Librax: for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. It is a combination of antispasmodic plus tranquilizer, that helps modulate bowel action.
    Diflucan (fluconazole): this antifungal penetrates all of the body's tissues, even the central nervous system. Very short term use can be considered if cognitive problems and/or depression is present, and yeast is suspected. Yeast may also be at the root of irritable bowel, sleep dysfunction (muramyl dipeptides from bowel bacteria induce sleep), and other common FMS problems.
    Imitrex (sumatriptan): this is available as an injectable solution or pill that will not prevent migraines, but it is effective for migraine pain in many cases. Works on serotonin release instead of blood vessel spasm, and may provide relief in less than 20 minutes. It should not be used within 24 hours of ergot (a common migraine drug) medications. It can increase blood pressure. It may cause spasm of muscles in jaw, neck, shoulders and arms. Also reported were tingling sensations, rapid heartbeat and the "shakes". Frequent use of Imitrex may cause a rebound reaction, worsening migraines.
    Remeron (mirtazapine) tetracyclic antidepressant, which effects several neurotransmitters, including serotonin and norepinephrine. May cause drowsiness and/or weight gain. Reported increase in cholesterol with some patients.
    Zanaflex (tizanidine) is a relatively new medication for muscle tightness and pain. It also reduces muscle spasm frequency and myoclonus. Effective dosage varies considerably in patients. May cause drowsiness."
    COX-2 inhibitors
    These medications will be out shortly. They block cyclooxygenase-2, an enzyme that helps create enormous mounts of prostaglandins. they not only seem to be effective for inflammation (FMS & MPS are not inflammatory), but they may be a promising alternative to narcotics for pain relief.
  4. j-bearmama

    j-bearmama New Member

    I am not certain that this is nationwide law or not. I Know in VA, in the patient's bill of Rights, it specifically states that all patients have the right to be given whatever is needed to "ease" their level of pain.

    recently someone commented about the level of pain they had when they were fighting cancer ( it was on tv).
    THey said it was horrible, YET years later, they were afflicted with chronic pain, that the drs. still had not found "reason for" ( gee I wonder WHAT that is)
    the patient said that drs. were more than happy to give pain meds when she was dealing with cancer, BUT keep refusing to give anything stronger than 800 mg. ibuprophen to this woman.

    the lady did state that this "new" pain was WORSE than her cancer pain.

    Not only is it in violation of the hypocratic oath to allow a patient to suffer. but it is also against the patient's bill of rights.
    I am pretty sure the patient's bill of rights actually is fed. law. but not certain.
    Do a search on it I guess.

  5. Shirl

    Shirl New Member

    Heres a number you might get some information from; 'FM Network, Good Doctor's' 1-800-853-2929

    I wish you luck, and do let us know how you are doing.

    Shalom, Shirl
  6. kgg

    kgg New Member

    He has made comments on what to do if a physician refuses to treat pain. Can't remember when, but it was recent. Just use the search above.
  7. txangel

    txangel New Member

    Thanks to everyone for all ya'lls info
    It's always nice to have someone on your side