If I have mycoplasmas wouldn't flax make me feel worse?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Carolyn0508, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. Carolyn0508

    Carolyn0508 New Member

    I am so dense in regard to above title. Still don't understand what mycoplasmas are. Someone earlier said be careful with flax seed oil because it feeds those little critters. But if I feel better after upping the flax oil intake, does that mean I don't have to worry about them? That they don't apply in my case? Going up to 3TBSP made a world of difference in pain levels, sleep and mood. I attribute that to the estrogenic/anti-estrogenc properties of this supplement. Anyway thanks for any help in setting me straight.

    Cheers
    Carolyn
  2. ZosoLight

    ZosoLight New Member

    Hi Carolyn,

    It seems that anything that makes us feel better also makes our parasites feel better! Its a catch-22 situation. Maybe this is why FM sufferers that have undergone chemo feel better afterwards?!

    Mrs. Zoso
  3. Carolyn0508

    Carolyn0508 New Member

    Sorry to be pushy but I would really like more inputs to this question.

    Thanks
    Carolyn
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    L-Arginine (sp?) is also supposed to feed the mycoplasmas, but it has so many health benefits that I take it in my powdered whey powder. Sometimes, in fact, most times, we have to choose between the lesser of two evils with our illnesses. If something makes you feel better, chances are that it is helping your overall health. This benefit may outweigh the dangers.

    Love, Mikie
  5. PatPalmer

    PatPalmer New Member

    Mycoplasmas are a bacteria which live inside cells (called a stealth bacteria) because they can`t be seen in a usual blood test.
    Thay live off the nutrients in that cell (usually the red cells) while they mulitply then move on to set up home elswhere. There is a lot that feed them, but if you avoid foods that do, - you`d starve.

    Mycoplasma are just one of many infestations possible to have with CFS/FM, including Candida (IBS)
    My daughter had Mycoplasma Pneumoniae and was only given a two week course of antibiotics.

    The only thing that has improved her health is Olive Leaf Extract.
    I won`t rattle on as there is a post I have replied to on OLE at the moment. Have a good read of the Article on OLE and Plantscapers *Discussion of improvement on OLE*.
    Tap in Mycoplasma at the top too, - be prepared for a long spell of reading...

    Love Pat.
  6. PatPalmer

    PatPalmer New Member

    I`m on flaxseed too and am feeling great.

    Pat.
  7. stillafreemind

    stillafreemind New Member

    caught this post this morning. I am getting ready to order some flax. I was wanting to try the flax seed this time, instead of the oil.

    I was wondering if I will have to be careful starting it..with the roughage issue. Is it hard on a touchy gut to start with?

    I am a big believer in flax and could just kick myself for going off of it.

    Thanks and have a great day all!
  8. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Back when I had IBS, I would eat Uncle Sam cereal with lots of flax seeds in it and I never had a problem. I would say that anyone suffering from diverticulosis should stay away from eating the seeds and stick to the oil.
  9. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I think the term "feeds the mycoplasmas" is misleading and that is what causes the problem. As you know, the mycoplasmas enter the host cells through a mechanism like a key fitting into a lock. The surface of our cells provide this entryway. What I have read indicates that what we eat does affect the cells' surface makeup and it appears that certain things make our cells more hospitable to the mycoplasmas' setting up households within them.

    I believe the only way to get mycoplasma infections under control is long-term treatment with antibiotics. The antibiotics do not kill the mycoplasmas, as you know, but rather close the entryways into the cells. The mycoplasmas cannot survive without host cells and they either starve to death or are wiped out in the bloodstream by our immune systems.

    Unfortunately, like the woman's daughter, usually only ten days to two weeks' worth of antibiotics are given for mycoplasma infections. This isn't enough and the mycoplasmas take over the body going stealth.

    BTW, I'm now two weeks off the Doxy again and feeling well, so I'm going to see how it goes. I am seeing my PCP and specialist on the 19th and will discuss a 30-day pulse of Famvir to see what happens.

    Love, Mikie
  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I agree 100 percent on the flax issue. I think that many things are so helpful to our overall health that this overrides any potential smaller problems. I know that a lot of the things which are supposed to "feed" mycoplasmas are tested in a Petri dish which is not always a good indication of how these work in the human body.

    I found your info on the antioxidant function of ABX very interesting. I have felt better since taking extra Vitamin C and Alpha Lipoic Acid along with the Co Q-10.

    I had Rosacea years ago. It disappeared when I started using Clinique skin care products. My dermatologist had no idea why other than the products are designed to balance the Ph on the surface of the skin.

    BTW, Ace, did you see Bob's post about Low Dose Natlrexone under his post on mycoplasmas. I haven't checked it out yet, but according to his post, it's supposed to modulate the overreaction of the immune system when the ABX therapy is done.

    Thanks, as always, for you great info.

    Love, Mikie
  11. lucky

    lucky New Member

    I have taken it for many years and it really helped the IBS, however, since I was diagnosed with diverticulitis, and you are right, Mikie, I have stopped it for the time being and will get the oil instead. My doctor warned me not to eat any nuts, seeds, etc., but I am not too sure if this makes any difference. Will see, after the X-Ray next week.
    Sincerely, Lucky
  12. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Keeping my fingers crossed for your test to come out well. My Mom had diverticulosis which became diverticulitis. She wasn't too good about giving up things with seeds, and when the doc went in to do her colonoscopy, some stuff was stuck in the little diverticula and had peutrified, making her sick. He cleaned everything out and she felt great.

    Love, Mikie
  13. lucky

    lucky New Member

    Since I have seen just a few of your messages lately, I hope you are o.k. and well, or may be you had a great time in Atlanta. Well, I am not too concerned about the diverticulitis because I had little pain lately. But, I am sure that whatever they find that I get the proper treatments and will be feeding on flax seed again one day.
    By the way, I still believe that the diverticulitis has something to do with mycoplasma infection as I mentioned before, because if I am not mistaken, it also is a bacterial infection as well and also why did I have walking pneumonia. I am still trying to solve this question mark, but I am sure that I will know also more after the tests.
    Take care, Lucky
  14. CelticLadee

    CelticLadee New Member

    Hello Carolyn0508,
    For what it is worth. I was at my naturopath today and he is a very learned wise man and I asked this very question about flaxseed oil feeding mycoplasma bacteria. I had been on it until I read these posts at this message board telling us to beware, etc. So I switched to arctic cod liver oil. Anyway, my naturopath told me that research studies have not shown that flaxseed oil promotes the growth of mycoplasma but quite the opposite. He said it is actually helps kill bacteria and viruses. He also said that it is much better to take it than the cod liver oil as it puts too much vitamin A in your system and your tissues absorb it. You don't flush it out like other vitamins. He said research shows that to much vitiman A promotes osteoporosis. Needless to say I am back on flaxseed oil. Make sure you get a good brand and it is refrigerated and not expired or it won't be as effective. My best to you. CLD