hey, i have a question. you all know the fibro tender point(1 each side) next to the collar bone, above the chest, right? when a doc diagnosed me(actually 2 of them) i had tenderness there, and even on daily base it was annoying as hell.(those pains because of those points and those tanderness). i have been to a guy who specialize in trigger points theraphy, and he didnt do real theraphy yet, but only 5-7 minutes or so. of course i still have most of the pains i had, but i notest one thing. i have much much less tenderness in both of those tender points! in the right i have much less and even none of the tenderness i had, and in the left i have a little tenderness but much less. yet->i still have pains in my chest(both, but kinda better feeling, as better as it can be with pains) and ivguess its because i have other trigger points reffering pains there. i know that you should have 11 of 18 points to have "fibro" and it maight change(am i wrong?) but how come it changed because of the trigger points theraphy? i mean, i can say for sure that it is because of the trigger points theraphy, and i know fibro tender points cant be worked on and cant disepear. does it mean that those "tender points" i thought i have, was just a trigger points, and if so, i maight doubt the fact that i have fibro? actually this massager(and another one i have seen before) thinks it maight be mostly mental(my pains), and if we wont eliminate whats hurting me inside, the pains may go away because of the theraphy, but will come back again.......i started psychological theraphy as well, and hoping for the best. again-its wired, no? i know, or at least i think i know, that the fibro tenderpoints are "unbreakble" and even if you dont have pains, you will scream when pushing them. i infact had much pains when pushing them, but now i dont have!! i did the massage on friday and i didnt have pains in friday. i do know, that there are trigger points next to the collar bones, and it looks wired that although i dont have tenderness next to the collar bone now, i still have pains in my chest, and thats why i think that i have multiple trigger points, reffering pains throughtout my body, and the point i thought was tender point of fibro was actually trigger point. what do you think? thank you.