JELLYBELLY + SUJAY /You want to see this one!

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by klutzo, Aug 9, 2003.

  1. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    Excellent article on hypercoagulation, with one scary paragraph that I want you (and Sujay) to see.
    I tried to copy and paste, and even though I selected the whole article, all that came through was the URL, which of course, I can't post.

    SOFY HAS KINDLY POSTED THE ARTICLE BELOW.

    Pay special attention to the paragraph entitled "spreading infection". It talks about how taking heparin for hypecoagulation can cause candida to become a life threatening toxic shock problem.
    This is a long technical article, but well worth reading, as it talks about the importance of fats as a natural way to prevent hypecoagulation, and how dangerous low fat diets are.
    Sorry I am such a computer dunce....I also found a fantastic table with four columns yesterday, explaining all the neurotransmitters, what they do in the body and the symptoms their deficiency produces, but when I tried to paste it here, only the last of the four columns came through. So frustrating....
    Hugs,
    Klutzo
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  2. sofy

    sofy New Member

    Klutzo, feel free to paste it on your post and then I will delete mine. I am in the process of reading and trying to grasp now. Thanks again for all your dilligence

    The Detoxx System: Detoxification of Biotoxins in Chronic Neurotoxic Syndromes

    By John Foster, M.D., Patricia Kane, Ph.D., Neal Speight, M.D.

    Chronically ill individuals suffering from neurotoxin exposure impacts patient populations with CFIDS, Fibromyalgia, MS, Autism, Cardiovascular Disease, Depression, Rheumatoid Arthritis, IBS, Infertility, ALS, Parkinsons, Lyme, Toxic Building Syndrome, Estuary Associated Syndrome, Psychosis, Diabetes without family Hx, Optic Neuritis, Refractory Heavy Metal Toxicity, Pulmonary Hemorrhage, Stroke. Patients diagnosed with these chronic illnesses may be potentially classified as 'Neurotoxic Membrane Syndrome' (NMS) with the endothelial cell membrane as the target of degeneration.

    While hypercoagulation involves a myriad of proteins, it is ultimately a membrane event, essentially disrupting the phospholipids that structure the membrane. Agglomeration (blocked cellular exposure to blood flow/nutrients and impaired cell-to-cell communication) indicates elevation of phospholipase A2 and the uncoupling of eicosanoids from the cell membrane causing inflammation. The agglomeration that eventually occurs is, in essence, a product of a weakened membrane, and ultimately a disturbed red cell fatty acid profile.

    Clinical Research

    We have established a biomedical protocol in our clinics, The Haverford Wellness Center in Havertown, PA and The Center for Wellness in Charlotte, NC for patients with neurotoxic illness. Our biomedical approach is an attempt to reach the systemic nature of these tenacious neurotoxic syndromes and provide clinically proven methods that eradicate neurotoxins. Our course of action is that of freeing the patient of pervasive symptoms of neurotoxic illness in a noninvasive manner that heals the membrane, and ultimately the body and brain.

    The recent pioneering work of Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., as communicated in his book Desperation Medicine and his peer reviewed papers (Shoemaker 2001), lends strong support to a connection between Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Lyme Disease, Pfiesteria infection and that of numerous Neurotoxic Syndromes.

    Biotoxins as Neurotoxins

    The presentation of biotoxin exposure often parallels neurological and psychological impairment due to the interrelationship between the ENS (Enteral Nervous System) and the CNS. The biliary tree, gall bladder, and bile formation within the liver serve in the vital processes of detoxication (disposal of waste products bilirubin, heavy metals, biotoxins, xenobiotics), lipid metabolism, transport and digestion (bile acids). Abnormalities of the hepatobiliary system may involve biliary stasis whereby infectious material or biotoxins reside within the liver, biliary tree and gall bladder, as a viscous suspension in biliary sludge.

    Biotoxins as bacteria, viruses, parasites, spirochetes, dinoflagelletes, and fungus may be within biliary sludge often creating neurotoxins impacting the CNS via the ENS, or the Second Brain (gut). The occurrence of biliary sludge may be due to prolonged fasting, low fat intake, high carbohydrate diets or exposure to pathogens. Restriction of dietary fat may impair biliary flow which would be contraindicated in attempting to clear toxicity as bile is paramount to cleansing the body and getting biotoxins and heavy metals excreted into the fecal matter.

    Neurotoxins are minute compounds between 200-1000 KD (kilodaltons) that are comprised of oxygen, nitrogen and sulfate atoms arranged in such a way as to make the outside of the molecule fat loving and water hating. As such, once it enters the body, it tends to bind to structures that are rich in fat such as most of our cells, especially the liver, kidney, and brain. Neurotoxins are capable of dissolving in fatty tissue and moving through it, crossing cell membranes (transporting against a gradient, particularly with potassium) disrupting the electrical balance of the cell itself.

    As fat soluble neurotoxins move through the cells of the body from the GI tract to sinus to lung to eye to muscle, to joint to nerve, whereby they eventually enter the liver and the bile. Once neurotoxins bind with bile they have access to the liver, the body is poisoned over and over again as the bile is re-circulated (first released into the intestine to digest fats, and then reabsorbed).

    Neurotoxins cause damage by disrupting sodium and calcium channel receptors, attacking enzyme reactions involved in glucose production thereby disrupting energy metabolism in the cell, manufacturing renegade fatty acids as saturated very long chain, odd chain and branched chain fatty acids impairing membrane function, stimulating enzymes (PLA2) which uncouple essential fatty acids from the cell membrane and impairing the function of the nuclear receptor PPAR gamma which partially controls transcription (the conversion of instructions held in our DNA to RNA which then leads to translation or protein production in the cell).

    Heavy Metals reside in Fatty Tissue with Biotoxins

    Heavy metals are also lipid soluble and often compound the removal of biotoxins (Aschner et al 1990, 1998; Dutzak 1991). As has been observed by many clinicians, often as the patients' heavy metal toxicity is addressed they are faced with the additional complication of the presence of biotoxins. Biotoxins and heavy metal exposure co-exist within the cell membrane and fatty tissue requiring consideration for both types of toxicity in regard to patient intervention.

    By stabilizing glutathione we in turn impact metallothionein markers (Nordberb and Nordberb 2000, Ebadi et al 1995, Sato et al 1995, Kerper et al 1996, Susanto et al 1998), glycoaminoglycans or GAGS (Klein 1992), methylation, sulfation, hepatic and renal function as we introduce treatment protocols for detoxication with gentle, natural modalities that unload cellular toxicity safely. GSH infusion by fast IV push has been a remarkable tool to unload the body burden of heavy metals and neurotoxins in both pediatric and adult populations, without side effects.

    Renegade fatty acids as Neurotoxin Markers

    Renegade fats as very long chain fats (VLCFAs) that are over expressed, disrupt the membrane structure. There is a beautiful geometry to the membrane that is highly sensitive to the size of the lipid chains. The overall width of the fatty acid portion of the membrane is ~3 ½ nm which must be maintained for stability. Saturated or monounsaturated fatty acids with a length of 16 or 18 carbons and polyunsaturated fatty acids of 18 to 22 carbons are preferred to permit the structure to maintain optimal horizontal fluidity. VLCSFAs that range from 20 to 26 carbons force the parallel dimensions vertically. There simply is not enough room.

    The distortion weakens the phosphate bonds that derive their strong attraction only as long as the phospholipids are parallel to each other on both sides of the membrane. The cell weakness is then expressed in leaky attraction to ion channels and receptors which marginalize cell cytosol fluids and electrolytes with the only option as early cell death.

    The Brain is Comprised of 60% Fat

    To view the brain beyond its architecture as a biological orchestration of the physical and chemical constituents necessary for performance, we cannot begin to conceptualize without considering the importance of fatty acids as the human brain is 60% lipid. Dendrites and synapses are up to 80% in lipid content. Although Arachidonic acid (AA) has been given a negative association, it is the most prominent essential fatty acid in the red cell and comprises 12% of the total brain and 15.5% of the body lipid content.

    If AA is depleted by overdosing with marine or flax oil establishing the balance of the EFAs is profoundly impaired. Often both prostaglandin one and two series relating to omega six metabolism are compromised when flax and marine oils are overdosed or lipid intake is insufficient. When AA, the lead eicosanoid of the body, is suppressed due to excess intake of omega 3, toxicity or disease the control circuitry of the body is impaired as is clearly viewed in the patient's presentation.

    Arachidonic acid is preferentially wasted in states of heavy metal toxicity (Tiin and Lin, 1998) and has been observed to be sharply suppressed in RBC lipid analysis in states of heavy metal toxicity (Kane, clinical observation 1997-2002).

    The fatty acid cleaving enzyme PLA2

    In states of toxicity via biotoxins or heavy metals there is a dramatic elevation in Phospholipase A2 (PLA2) activity (Verity et al 1994) Increases in PLA2 activity result in premature uncoupling of the essential fatty acids (EFAs) from phospholipids in the cell membrane. Accelerated loss of EFA places the patient in a severely compromised position as that of inflammation which results from the promiscuous release of AA in the presence of an overexpression of PLA2. Carbohydrate consumption, as one of the most profound stimulators of PLA2, must be restricted to control the insulin response and the subsequent loss of EFAs.

    Phospholipids and Neurons

    Phospholipids, cholesterol, cerebrosides, gangliosides and sulfatides are the lipids most predominant in the brain residing within the architectural bilayers (Bazan et al 1992). The phospholipids and their essential fatty acid components provide second messengers and signal mediators. In essence, phospholipids and their essential fatty acid components play a vital role in the cell signaling systems in the neuron. The functional behavior of neuronal membranes largely depends upon the ways in which individual phospholipids are aligned, interspersed with cholesterol, and associated with proteins.

    All neurotransmitters are wrapped up in phospholipid vesicles. The release and uptake of the neurotransmitters depends upon the realignment of the phospholipid molecules. The nature of the phospholipid is a factor in determining how much neurotransmitter or metal ion will pass out of a vesicle or be taken back in. Phospholipid re-modeling may be accomplished by supplying generous amounts of balanced lipids and catalysts via nutritional intervention and the use of intravenous Phospholipid Exchange (IV Phosphatidyl choline).

    Hypercoagulation and Membrane Integrity

    An undesirable course of events in an exposure to biotoxins is agglomeration in a hypercoagulation state. The distorted membrane with its weakened structure and almost absolute reduced fluidity is powerless to resist coagulation. A highly fluid membrane would kick off an accumulation of oxidized cholesterol; it would not permit it to attach. This is not the case when the membrane is compromised, as in much of the patient population affected with neurotoxic illness.

    Hypercoagulation is predominantly a non-regulated mass of proteins disrupting function. When referencing the artery; hypercoagulation invariably involves the plasmic side of the cell and if endothelial cells of the vascular system are targeted by a toxin (virus, neurotoxin, metal, antibody, etc) , restriction of blood flow ultimately results. If a neuron is targeted then signaling is disrupted. The presence of neurotoxins invariably involves PLA2, which is the "sergeant at arms" monitoring cell membrane health. A membrane disturbance(unwanted mass) would trigger PLA2, which hydrolyses the release of eicosanoids, which would then induce inflammation and call to attention the clean-up committee, i.e. macrophages.

    Hypercoagulation is a restrictive agglomeration, (mass) that occurs principally on the membrane of endothelial cells blocking the flow of vital fluids, blood, bile, etc., with a high causal relationship to oxidation, and equally to toxicity, quite often neurotoxins. Oxidized LDL (Sobel et al 2000) is predominantly a membrane disturbing event agglomerating and attaching to endothelial cells, while neurotoxins can move through the lipid membrane and attack the cell itself.

    The Liver as the Center of the Storm

    Unhealthy bacteria have been known to colonize the liver and its biliary system. These bacteria as well as viruses, spirochetes, dinoflagellates, and the like can synthesize very long chain saturated or renegade fats (Harrington et al 1968, Carballerira et al 1998) that lead to liver toxicity, biliary congestion, impairment of prostaglandin synthesis and the release of glutathione (Ballatori et al 1990). Lipids vibrate in the cell at millions of times/second. The double bonds of the omega 6 and omega 3 lipids are the singing backbone of life expressed through their high energy level.

    These bonds are their vibratory song, and they absolutely carry a tune befitting every act and function in the exercise of life, providing all 70 trillion of our cells their flexible nature. When renegade fats are over represented in the cell membrane they result in off key expression, and if strong enough, may spell cellular death and apoptosis. Healing the outer leaflet of the membrane (Schachter et al 1983), comprised primarily of phosphatidylcholine, with phospholipid therapy, is our highest priority in addressing chronic illness and hypercoagulation.

    The Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test

    Our clinical approach is to first confirm that neurotoxin mediated illness could in fact be a problem for the patient via the Visual Contrast Sensitivity test that isolates deficits in velocity of flow in retinal capillaries. If the patient scores poorly on this test then the evaluation may include screening for cytokine elevations followed by coagulation and red blood cell lipid testing through Johns Hopkins/interpretation through BodyBio. (For pediatric patients the Heidelberg Retinal Tomogram Flow Meter Evaluation may be performed in place of the Visual Contrast Test by an ophthalmologist.)

    Neurotoxins and Cytokines

    Once neurotoxins enter the cell they move toward the nucleus turning on indirectly the production of cytokines such as TNF alpha, IL6, and IL-1Beta (Shrief and Thompson 1993, Tsukamoto 1995, Abordo et al 1997,Rajora et al 1997, Brettelal 1989, Hassen et al 1999, Davidson 2001). TNF alpha will stimulate macrophages in the body (macrophages) to become active. The white cells are also induced to gather in the area of the cytokine (TNF alpha) release. In addition, TNF alpha induces endothelial cell adhesion.

    Endothelial cells which line the blood vessels of the body become "sticky" in conjunction with the increase in white cells. Increased blood viscosity results in restricted blood flow in neurotoxic patients leading to fatigue and discomfort, and quite possibly disturbed toxic photoreceptor lipid structures that become compromised with subsequent reduction in visual performance.

    The cellular impact of biotoxin and heavy metal burdens results in disturbed prostaglandin synthesis, poor cellular integrity, decreased GSH levels (DeLeve and Kaplowitz 1990, Dentico et al 1995, Hayter et al 2001, Miles et al 2000, Nagai et al 2002, Zalups and Barfuss 1995, Watanabe et al 1988, Fernandez-Checa et al 1996), significant suppression of omega 6 arachidonic acid and marked elevation of Renegade fats and ultimately with demyelination (depressed DMAs). The presence of VLCFAs are evidence of peroxisomal dysfunction and suppression of the beta oxidation of lipids and cellular respiration.

    Renegade fats (VLCSFAs, Odd Chains, Branched Chains) are represented as an increase in fat content in the brain as discovered in stroke patients examined by Stanley Rapoport, Chief of the Laboratory of Neuroscience at the NIH. Biotoxins and heavy metals are lipid soluble thus the effect upon cellular processes and hepatobiliary function is often gravely deranged. Often, patients do not possess a gross burden of toxins but rather a burden that has a finite impact upon the cell by blocking receptor sites such as G proteins, which act as a relay system through the cell.

    Peroxisomes, most prevalent in the liver and kidney, are organelles within the cell that play a crucial role in clearing xenobiotics and the third phase of detoxification. Peroxisomes are intimately involved in cellular lipid metabolism (Bentley et al 1993, Mannaerts and Van Veldhoven 1992, Luers et al 1990, Leiper 1995) as in the biosynthesis of fatty acids via ß-oxidation involving physiologically important substrates for VLCFAs, thromboxanes, leukotrienes and prostaglandins.

    The creation of a prostaglandin is an oxidative event (Diczfalusy 1994). Inappropriate use of antioxidants (mega-dosing) will inhibit ß-oxidation, the production of prostaglandins and cellular metabolism, thus the liberal use of potent antioxidants would be contraindicated in the buildup of Renegade fats as VLCFAs, Odd Chain and Branched Chains (Akasaka et al 2000) which are the hallmark of toxicity (Kane and Kane 1997, Kane 1999, Kane 2000, Roels et al 1993, Rustan et al 1992).

    Peroxisomal oxidation enzymes are suppressed by elevation of cytokines such as TNFalpha (Beier et al 1992). Individuals with immune, CNS, cardiac, GI and endocrine disorders often present with complex xenobiotics involving disturbances in the cytochrome P450 superfamily (hepatic detoxification difficulties) which parallels disturbances in peroxisomal function.

    The cytochrome P450's are responsible for the biotransformation of endogenous compounds including fatty acids, steroids, prostaglandins, leukotrienes and vitamins as well as the detoxification of exogenous compounds resulting in substantial alterations of P450s (Guengerich 1991) as xenobiotics may turn off or greatly reduce the expression of constitutive isoenzymes (Sharma et al 1988).

    Targeted Nutritional Intervention for Toxicity

    Inadequate stores of arachidonic acid can compromise P450 function (McGiff 1991). Oral application of hormones such as pregnenolone, DHEA (Di Santo et al 1996, Ram et al 1994, Rao et al 1993) or thyroid stimulate peroxisomal proliferation and the ß-oxidation of Renegade fats as would nutrients (riboflavin, pyruvate, manganese) and oxidative therapies.

    Anti-oxidants slow cellular metabolism and must remain in the proper balance with all the essential nutrients and substrates (lipids, protein) to maintain metabolic equilibrium. Removal of renegade fats in the diet is accomplished by the avoidance of mustard, canola oil (Naito et al 2000), peanuts and peanut oil which contain VLCSFAs that can challenge patients with liver and CNS toxicity.

    The oral use of butyrate, a short 4-carbon chain fatty acid, is of striking benefit (Fusunyan et al 1998, Segain et al 1983, Yin et al 2001) in mobilizing renegade fats, lowering TNFalpha, sequestering ammonia, and clearing biotoxins.

    In states of toxicity it is paramount to stabilize omega 6 fatty acids and the lead eicosanoid (Attwell et al 1993) Arachidonic acid (AA) before introducing omega 3 lipids. There exists a crucial balance between omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids in human lipid metabolism which has only recently been brought into clearer focus through the work of Yehuda (1993, 1994, 1995, 1998, 2000, 2002). His development of the SR-3 (specific ratio of omega 6 to omega 3) has revealed that the optimum ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 FAs is 4:1.

    AA, the lead eicosanoid, must be stable first along with the other w6 EFAs before w3 fatty acids are introduced and balanced. Clinicians are often met with poor patient outcomes when merely administering omega 3 lipids without first introducing omega 6 fatty acids, stabilizing the structural lipids, increasing the fat content of the diet, stimulating the ß-oxidation of renegade fatty acids, flushing of the gall bladder/biliary tree and supporting digestion of fats with bile salts and lipase.

    The manipulation of lipid distortion involves two basic essential fats: omega 6 and omega 3. The body loses its ability to metabolize fats in states of toxicity and therefore becomes depleted in the eicosanoids and prostaglandins. Essential fatty acids are the precursors to the regulatory prostaglandins which are "local hormones" providing the communication controlling all cell to cell interactions. The human cell membrane cannot be supported nor its function controlled without respect to lipid substrate, yet fatty acid metabolism has been poorly delineated in the medical literature.

    An optimum balance of fatty acids make up the dynamic membrane. The membrane of every living cell and organelle is composed of two fatty acid tails facing each other. This bilipid layer is so minute (3.5 nanometers) that it would take 10,000 membranes layered on top of each other to make up the thickness of this paper. Yet the dynamics that occur within this tiny envelope with organelles prancing up and down the cytoskeleton microtubules is a microcosm that is a challenge for the human mind to envision. Mercury toxicity damages the microtubule structure of the cell. All cells must synthesize molecules and expel waste.

    All cells must create, through gene expression, the proteins needed for cellular gates embedded in the membrane as ion channels and receptors. The ultimate control of how those peptides behave rests with the character of the membrane while the integrity of the membrane rests with the structural (oleic, stearic, palmitic, cholesterol) and essential lipids (omega 6, omega 3). Without control of membrane function through lipid manipulation, detoxication is compromised. In essence, the life of the cell is intimately tied to health of the membrane and the health of the entire organism.

    Our clinical protocol is to initiate treatment with changing the patients' overall diet, addressing the lipid balance and especially the outer lipid leaflet of the cell membrane through fatty acid therapy and the addition of supplementation targeted towards dissolving fibrin, clearing the liver/biliary tree, and healing the cell membrane. Patient progress is evaluated through the Visual Contrast Test and repeat lab evaluation.

    Blood thinning agents such as Heparin and Warfarin increase blood flow around the blocked endothelium, however, reconstituting membrane fluidity can directly address coagulation in a natural restorative way. Vibrant healthy membranes will not permit agglomeration. The high polyunsaturated lipids with a preponderance of phosphatidylcholine on the plasmic surface precludes undesirable clumping to occur. Treatment modalities should address dissolving fibrin and healing the cell membrane.

    Spreading Infection

    It has been suggested that the use of heparin will address hypercoagulation. Recent data from JAMA (Stephenson 2001) indicates that the use of low dose heparin may transform a 'benign fungal infection into a toxic shock-like reaction'. This research was presented at the 39th annual meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America in 2001 by Margaret K. Hostetter, M.D. of Yale University School of Medicine (Hostetter 2001 and San-Blas et al 2000).

    Hostetter and colleagues found that Candida albicans can attach to host cells and form invasive hyphae. Low dose heparin utilized in procedures for hospitalized patients through the practice of heparin in intravascular catheters may transform C. albicans into a life-threatening pathogen. Hostetter was able to identify a gene, INT1, encoding a C. albicans surface protein, Intlp, which was linked with adhesion, the ability to grow filaments and ultimately virulence of C. albicans of a systemic nature.

    The use of heparin raises the cytokines TNF alpha and IL-6 (Stephenson 2001) in addition to Phospholipase A2 (Mudher et al 1999; Kern et al 2000; Farooqui 1999; Verity et al 1994). Biotoxins which form neurotoxins, may create a state of hypercoagulation from the rise in TNF alpha. Consequently, the use of heparin may exacerbate the hypercoagulation and the neurotoxic condition. The source of the problem- biotoxins, which have formed neurotoxins creating a state of hypercoagulation, must be addressed from the context of the underlying neurotoxic condition and healing the cell membrane.

    Evidence Based Clinical Protocols

    By stabilizing lipid status with intravenous Phospholipid exchange and oral EFA supplementation we have remarkable tools to unload the body burden of neurotoxins (Jenkins et al 1982, Cariso et al 1983, Jaeschke et al 1987, Kolde et al 1992) in both pediatric and adult populations, without side effects. Oral use of phospholipids in a Liver Flush is also an effective intervention in addressing neurotoxic syndromes.

    Through isolating individual fatty acids and dimethylacetyls in red cells we can now examine the cellular integrity/structure, fluidity, the formation of renegade fats that impair membrane function, myelination status, and the intricate circuitry of the prostaglandins. The systemic health of the individual patient may reached and targeted nourishment utilized through evidence based intervention which may yield positive patient outcomes.

    Healing the membrane is virtually…healing the brain.

    Neal Speight, M.D. may be reached at Center For Wellness in Charlotte, NC. Patricia Kane, Ph.D. at the Haverford Wellness Center in Havertown, PA. or to obtain the 'The Detoxx Book: Detoxification of Biotoxins in Chronic Neurotoxic Syndromes' at 888.320.8338 or 856.825.8338
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  3. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    ..if you don't mind, I think I'll leave well enough alone and just edit my post to point them to yours! I don't know why I could not get the whole thing to copy.
    Jelly and Sujay are not often here on weekends anyway, so I'll have to be dilligent about bumping this.
    Thanks again for your computer expertise! Do you have any idea how to cut and paste a wide, 4 column table? I would really like to post that neurotransmitter info.
    Klutzo
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Thank you both so much for providing this for us.

    I am going to have to print it out to read it, but it looks like excellent info.

    Thanks again.

    Love, Mikie
  5. TNhayley

    TNhayley New Member

    Thanks klutzo. :) Hayley
  6. tansy

    tansy New Member

    Thank you so much for this info. Have only skimmed read it so will be copy and pasting it into word so that can I read it a bit at a time. It's important stuff so I need to understand it properly.

    I too will give my GP a copy but will need to write a brief intro first because I doubt she'll have time to read it all, but if I can stimulate her interest she may keep it for reference.

    Love

    Tansy
  7. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    I subscribe to Dr. Joseph Mercola's free e-newsletter, and this was one of the articles in today's edition. Since my fibrinogen test was a bit too high, I read it, and was shocked by some of it, and thought you and Sujay and others using heparin should see it.
    He has lots of interesting stuff in his newsletters, not all of which I agree with, but at least he dares to think outside of the box.
    Hugs,
    Klutzo
  8. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    Fibro fog strikes again! I forgot to write down the URL yesterday when I found that Neurotransmitter table, and after spending 45 mins. today trying to find it in vain, I gave up. I found other tables, but they were not like the one I wanted to post here.
    From your description of what I'd have to do with it once I found it in order to make it fit this format, I think I'd rather just give broad hints on how to find it (if I ever find it again, that is).
    Sorry,
    Klutzo
  9. AmyKaiser

    AmyKaiser New Member

    to copy the whole article, hit ctl a, then ctl c, then paste....
    depending on how long an article is i will use AOL mail and if it wont fit i use word pad or notebook
  10. catnip51

    catnip51 New Member

    in English. I'm just not getting what this all means. Must be the fibro fog. If anyone can explain what this article is saying please help me out here. I'm into this coagualation thing but my brain is not comprehending what i'm reading very well.

    Sujay if your reading this I would love to hear your interpretation since the last one you explained on hypercoagulation was more along my terms of understanding with the littel critters, the citizens the terrorist and the troops. LOL Thanks

    Cathie
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  11. stillafreemind

    stillafreemind New Member

    this article sounds like my holistic gal who is treating me alot like this in some respects.
    She is concerned with my toxic liver and we are addressing that with a detox. She is at the same time feeding my cells .. mostly protein. Alot of the stuff I am taking right now comes from Biotics Research Laboratories and if you go to their sight and get on Immuplex or Cytozyme AD there is alot of info on what these things are doing. These things are like way different than any supplements I have ever taken.
    Once I get through the detox .. she had said I need to concentrate on the Omegas..I feel like she is on the right path..and your article helps me to feel this way.
    Thanks again...Sherry
  12. tansy

    tansy New Member

    to make any real sense of the details in this at the moment and I know others are struggling too.

    I find visual images help me understand things better and have just realised I have seen images from live blood samples which I think are related to this and other common cellular problems in these DDS

    I came across a site yesterday whilst researching for another board member. It's in the UK but gives lots of info and has case examples as well as photos of these blood samples and explanations.

    Bioterrain is a company in the UK run by Hans ver de Braak who is a physiotherapist, accupuncturist, and naturopathic physician.

    His Intergrated Medicine Practice is in Market Harborough, Leicestershire England.

    I found it very interesting and his methods seem similar to those used by Dr Hyams in London.

    Love

    Tansy


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  13. selma

    selma New Member

    Bumping
  14. Plantscaper

    Plantscaper New Member

    About the dangers of heparin...making a benign candida infection into a toxic shock-like effect..we need to tread lightly in these new applications..and be as forewarned as possible..

    Plantscaper
  15. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

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  17. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    I must have missed it when you posted it before. Thanks for bumping. :)
    Klutzo
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    klutzo New Member

  19. sujay

    sujay New Member

    This is interesting, and bears further investigation, but I keep coming up with the same article when searching the net, and it's not clear what neurotoxins they are talking about. It's an interesting theory, though, and the test sounds interesting, too (as anything that doesn't require a blood draw or cost a fortune would), but I'd like to see some corroboration from somewhere else.

    I'm not particularly worried about the report that heparin might turn candida toxic with an indwelling catheter - as long as I'm not dealing with an indwelling catheter, which would mean I've got some other life-threatening situation going on. If that catheter gets colonized with ANY pathogen it will be dumped straight into the central circulation and get sent EVERYWHERE, which could certainly be overwhelming, even with and intact immune system. (Actually, I think I may have seen a patient with this problem when I was a medical student in the ICU at Georgetown. I've always wondered if she might have had AIDS (though we saw her just before that epidemic got started), but now I wonder if this might have been her problem instead.