John Sarno,Nancy Selfridge, thread for people trying it

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Mega, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. Mega

    Mega New Member

    I know many people don't believe in the concept of emotions being the FUEL for pain, and that the disease can exist without the pain and problems if the FUEL/emotions are taken care of.

    I hope this is a true theory and am going to give it a shot.

    I wanted to start this thread JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TRY IT.

    (The people who don't want to try it can use different threads please.)

    So, I hope some people are going to try it and will use this thread to discuss.

  2. HurtsToMove

    HurtsToMove New Member

    I need to get the book from Amazon, however.

    It may be a while, but I'll update as I do it.

    BTW, I don't usually go for this kind of thing, but it's worth the $10 to find out if it works.

    LISALOO New Member

    I'm reading one of Sarno's books right now. I won't get the Selfridge book since I have CFS. But maybe I will see her later on.
  4. Cinderbug

    Cinderbug New Member

    I ordered my first Sarno book last week from and expect to recieve it any day.

    I am so physically sick that I can hardly function but am a strong believer in the power of the mind.

    This should be interesting and you can bet I will be watching your thread.

    Good Idea

  5. jmq

    jmq New Member

    I am planning on reading these books. I know for a fact that my body has been in chaos and stress mode since I was born. This includes my personal and professional life. I did not even know it was not normal...I thrived on that feeling until I got sick with FM and depression. Then I had to figure out how to re-wire myself in order to fight this dd.

    What caused the FM....I have plenty of the medical/physical precursors I have noooo idea. I really do not care unless it will help me get better.

    What I do know is that I can control my emotions and reactions to stress much easier than I can find the right medical answers for the symptoms of FM.

    This said, I know there are others here that feel just discussing our psychological issues is a slap in the face to this illness. I too, get the negative responses from my family and friends...IF YOU REALLY WANTED to get better..blah blah. It is insulting to think I am in any way, causing my own pain. I have lost so much from this dd.

    This is why I want to control my mind...if not my body at this stage of my life. I thank you so much for keeping this subject open.

  6. grace54

    grace54 New Member

    I have done this type of work and my pain is decreasing with each new discovery. The fibro pain is rare at this point, even the so called stenosis, bulging disc and osteo is minimal compared to just a year ago.

    I was thinking about something someone said recently about what a DR. told them years ago about their back condition. It was stated that his back was comparable to a 70-80 years old man while he was still a young man.

    That statement jogged my memory and I recall a chiropractor saying the exact same thing to me. The impact of that one statement had a very negative impact on my health when I was still in my 20's.

    The thoughts/feeling were that I am crippled and I will never improve no matter what I do. And when the depression would set in ,which often was the result of such thinking I would say to myself why bother- Eat, drink ,and be merry, why take care of myself if I am going to suffer anyway.

    I suspect Dr's say such things out of ignorance or maybe to impress on the patient of the need for his chronic care.In Hind sight I can see no positive reason for telling a patient that. The nature of my back is no different than millions of others who carry on normally. It could have been a congenital defect, who knows?

    Here I am 30 years later able to split my firewood, snow-shoe in the woods and carry on with minimal pain. According to the Dr's I should have been in a wheel chair by now, but with stretching and pacing my back feels better than ever.

    Reading Dr. Sarno and other healing books has allowed me to completely change my thinking as I learned that so many people show defects on x ray scans but never have any symptoms yet surgeries are done on millions of patients with very poor outcomes and as we see on this board that is when the fibromyalgia often sets in after such trauma to our bodies.

    I have two female friends that had neck surgery, one of them now has fibromyalgia and the other one seems to have worse pain than before surgery and it appears that she too is feeling the widespread pain also. Both of them with fused necks and can't even turn to look at you in a converstion unless you are directly in front of them. One is 40 and the other maybe 45 years old.

    There is a good chance that arthritis will set in as well. These gals have been permanently injured as far as I am concerned. Just driveing a car is difficult for them and I feel so bad for them as they too feel and act and look much older than they are and their intense pain is with them 24/7 even with the handful of meds they must take each day.

    Granted some surgeries are necessary but so many studies have shown many are not and are a big cash cow.These studies should be a warning for all to consider all types of healing and to get second and third opinions before they go under the knife.As many honest Dr's are seeing the often dismal results of surgery and medication, they have to ask themselves if there might be a better alternative.
  7. Mega

    Mega New Member

    thanks for posting everyone. good to know people are willing to try this out. the power of mind is infinite and the power of the spirit even greater, I think.
    I have one Sarno book, and will soon have his other two.
    I also ordered the Scott Brady book.

    And even though I have CFS, I ordered the Nancy Selfridge one, because the theory works exactly the same for fibro, cfs, ulcers, back pain, lyme, and some say cancer too.
    I also wanted the Nancy Selfridge one because I think it will be written better than the Sarno ones (that is my guess - the Sarno one I have is heavy on the explaining the theory but very light on saying what to do, while from what I've seen of the Selfridge book it seems to focus on the How To aspect)

  8. Mega

    Mega New Member

    Here are some Sarno reviews I just happened to see and thought I would post:

    He's not saying that your pain is all in your head; rather, that the battle going on in your mind results in a real physical disorder, which may affect muscles, nerves, tendons or ligaments. An injury may have triggered the disorder, but is not the cause of the amount or intensity of the resulting pain. According to Sarno, the mind tricks you into not facing repressed emotion by making you focus on pain in the body. When this realisation sinks in ("and it must sink in, for mere intellectual appreciation of the process is not enough"),the trick doesn't work any more and there's no need for the pain
    I had suffered back pain for 9 years, the last 2 of those dominated by sciatica, and I thought it was mumbo jumbo but having tried every therapist: Chiro; osteo; sacro-cranium and some more besides, I felt I had nothing to lose and gave it a go. Literally 6 weeks later - I kid you not- the sciatica was gone. The back pain was gone. These conditions have NEVER returned. It's still something of a mystery to me.
    I suffered from sciatica in my leg since I was a child. I also had pain in my hand, arm and neck. I saw every specialist under the sun and nothing helped. I eventually had a thorough CAT scan which revealed nothing. And the pain continued. It was so bad that sometimes I couldn't sit down or sleep properly. I took up to 8 painkillers a day.
    The reader's comments about this book intreagued me. I am a scientist and don't believe in airy fairy remedies. But this book is not about that. It's really about discovering what impact our mind can have on our body. Within a couple of months my back pain etc was no longer an issue. I no longer feel like a cripple. I do any sport I want and I sleep in any position I like. Sure, I get some pain from time to time, but I know how to manage it and it never gets out of control. I totally recommend this book to anybody who has pain (even other than back pain) and no answers or coping mechanisms.
  9. Mega

    Mega New Member

    if anyone wants to communicate about "doing the work" - they might feel it is kinda personal to discuss on the open web - so we could do a small group emailing thing

    if you're interested, email me at (never mind)

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  10. I read the Dr. Sarno book yrs ago and it sounds interesting. But I would have to reread it. As I didn't get how to apply it without seeing him. Other than positive thinking.
  11. Mega

    Mega New Member

    I just read the nancy selfridge one and it is much more of a HOW TO book, and can be applied to cfs or fibro.
  12. Mega

    Mega New Member

    I for one am full of rage that I would like to go away and ignore. I feel more angry and depressed doing this work, but I do feel better physically already - I have lots more energy. But I don't know how to process all my negative emotions, just feeling them and stirring them up leaves me upset.
  13. HurtsToMove

    HurtsToMove New Member

    to start week 1. I've read the Selfridge book and will commit to this for 5 weeks. I need to stop my acupuncture since body work is not encouraged during this time.

    Has anyone noticed any similarities between her theories and Mickel/Reverse Therapy? Just an observation...
  14. grace54

    grace54 New Member

    I understand about rage as I grew up often a rage-aholic. For some people who have a lot of repressed stuff to deal with it is very uncomfortable but thats a sign you are getting to the bottom of things.It is because they are un-comfortable that many necer adress them.this type of work takes a lot of bravery.

    Some people need professional assistence to get the unconscious to let go of the rage and all the things we don't know are there.iT took me a year and a half of counseling to pull out such pain I would have swore I never had.The fact that it is un-conscious is why we don't often see it until it seeps into the conscious.

    Now I write a lot and address issues instead of ignoring them. Another good book about how our emotions can make us sick is by Dr. Carolyn Leaf called " who switched off my brain".Just the emotion of fear sets off 30 chemicals in the brain which then races through our bodies to do it's damage. Imagine what chronic emotions such as depression, rage ,anxiety etc do.Thats one reason why drugs are so popular today to keep these feelings at bay, just a band aid to the real issues.

    I hope you carry on with this work as I know it works for many but it is never easy to deal with our emotions and many drop out before the work is done.It is a shame in our society that it is still a negative thing to think we need help for other than physical pain.The good news is that these syndromes are forcing people to look elseware for help and thousands are recovering.Science is now very clear about the mind /body connection but it will take some time and education for the rest of the world to catch on. Good luck:0
  15. Mega

    Mega New Member

    thanks for the comments - I was just thinking of that book "who switched my brain" too as I saw it on book coincidentally.

    I have done a lot of therapy but there's always more I guess. I've done a few years of intensive stuff. Oh well.
  16. Mega

    Mega New Member

    the ideas in this thread may be unpopular and maybe even untrue

    but please just put any comments, other than how these books are affecting you, in another thread

    (not because disagreements or comments are offensive but because this is a thread that would be helpful if it kept to one purpose only, so we and others can see if these things work for anyone and how much they work)
  17. mdjaj2231

    mdjaj2231 New Member

    (from your post): "the Sarno one I have is heavy on the explaining the theory but very light on saying what to do, while from what I've seen of the Selfridge book it seems to focus on the How To aspect)"


    I got the Sarno book and have no idea what I'm supposed to do with this. I really want to do the program but it is so unclear to me.

    Did you get the other book? Does anyone know of a dr. practicing this with patients? I've tried to find a way to make an appt. with Sarno, but can't seem to.

    Anyway, this makes so much sense. Good luck to all of us.

  18. momof471

    momof471 New Member

    by Sarno is the book I have. I've never made it through it because it is the same idea over and over without too much advice on how to do it.

    I fully believe in the power of the mind to make you sick or heal you. Its how to control it that I have problems with.

    When I got hurt and came out of work, I had no distractions that allowed me not to deal with bottled up anger and problems.

    I've been in therapy for two years and am just now able to handle my obvious struggles, much less subconcious ones.

    I would much rather go back to work and continue repressing the rage and emotions, obviously my body had other plans for me.

    I think I will pick the book up again and finish it.

    God Bless
  19. grace54

    grace54 New Member

    I usually put a disclaimer that this is my story/experience.I am not talking for anyone else. Dr's told me years ago my stenosis,degenerative disc disease and osteo would get worse and I would end up in a wheel chair at a young age.they said I had an old mans back in my 20's. This made me feel like no matter what I did with my health I was doomed.

    Well guess what, I am better today than I was 30 years ago. Hense the s0-called statement of the disabling disorders.MY minimal pain is not due to surgery or strong meds either. Sure they can be disabling but not for many of us.These disorders have been around as long as man has and people seldom even talked about them years ago as they were so common, they were too busy getting on with life with little if any medication.

    After reading many books and realising thousands of people are cured with these suspected disorders with out surgery and that the same type of problems can be seen in people who have no pain or disability I realised the Dr's were wrong in many cases. When you consider most of us, if we live long enough will have some type of back issue it is no mystery that an x-ray will pick up something that may look like a causative factor.

    About the same time I had the back x-rays I also had a bone scan of my entire spine and the reumy found nothing substantial as she ruled out everything she could before diagnosing fibromyalgia.At the time I was in serious pain and she was very concerned.

    I also had a CT scan and the report was very different than the first one I had, all within a years time. I asked the Dr why the scans showed such a difference and he said probably because the techs who read it were different, basically one said my back wasn't that bad. The stenosis debate is a whole separate debate I won't even go into.

    DR's make a huge amount of money with surgeries that fail at least half of the time and according to their own reports as much as 60% of surgeries are unnecessary. The concept of fusing are necks and back has neven been proven to be of benefit and as I said earlier the two friends I have who are basically immobilised by such surgery wish they never let a DR near them.

    It all comes back to being our own best researchers and taking doctors off of their pedestals and doing all we can for our health care. There are new procedures that work and old ones like losing weight, graded exercise, diet, supplementing, mind/body work etc.

    No one knows why some suffer more than others. I have heard some older retired people who say there pain just let up over time. Maybe it was nerve death or just not useing those joints as much. Its not the medication because the older people I know don't take strong meds if any, so who knows.WE do know that fibromyalgia is, in part about the cental nervous system and the way our brains amplify the pain signals so that may also be a part of the serious pain in other issues we have.
  20. HurtsToMove

    HurtsToMove New Member

    The Sarno books are good if you're interested in the WHY.

    As to the HOW, the Selfridge book is the way to go. It gives you step-by-step instructions, broken down into five weekly increments. All you really need is a journal, some type of relaxing music, and a quite place.

    I'm giving it a try, keep getting side-tracked but still determined....
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