Massage and fibromyalgia

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by naturespirit, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    I am a massage therapist working with an orhtopedic surgeon in northern New Jersey. I am about to start working with a patient with severe fibromyalgia. I would like to hear from other therapists and or people with insights on massage and FMS. Thank You.
  2. dononagin

    dononagin New Member

    I'm going through PT right now because of ddd and spondylolisthesis in my neck. My therapist thinks you can mash out all the knots in my shoulder and neck..you know the kind of press and release thing they do. All he is doing is flaring up my fibro. I had therapy this morning and had to have my daughter brush my hair before I went to work. I can't raise my arm high enough to do it myself. This is my 6th visit today, I'm really trying to give this a chance but I don't know if I can take much more of this.

    I know for most of us any deep tissue work is extremely painful.
  3. Shelbyeatenton

    Shelbyeatenton New Member

    I had a very gentle aromatherapy massage a few months ago. They had to be careful what things to use. (i can't thing of the word. smells?) I have epilepsy and particular types of the "smells" (sorry") can trigger seizures. Lavender apparently promotes relaxation and relieves pain.

    It certainly helped me. I would only have a very gentle massage. It depends really what you find out/ what the patient wants and needs. We are all different after all.

    Maybe you could put a search in for it (top left hand side) or search on google etc

    I hope you manage to get some good info and manage to help your patient! We sure need need it! :)

    Best wishes,
    Shelby
  4. mujuer

    mujuer New Member

    What a great idea to come to this site to check this subject out. I used to love, love, love getting massages. I have had fibro for two years now and have had only one massage since. I told her that I have fibro and she told me that sometimes it helps people with fibro and sometimes it causes pain but it was up to me if I wanted to try. I was very thankful that she gave me the choice. She gave me a very nice relaxing message, not too deep tissue and I walked out of there feeling really good and relaxed. The next four days were pure hell starting the night of the massage. I hurt so bad. I called her after a week and told her what happened. She felt bad but I told her not to and that I really appreciated the fact that she warned me. I hope you get more answers to this question. Hope this one helped.
    Best Wishes
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  5. tngirl

    tngirl New Member

    I have fibromyalgia and only a very gentle massage works for me.

    I've found a wonderful therapist who always tells me to tell her when she goes too deep. I don't usually have to because she can tell by how my body reacts.

    I tell her before the massage begins where my most painful areas are.

    Just be gentle and tell your patients to let you know their preference is type of massage.

    I also have degenrative disc disease and degenerative facets, as well as arthritis.

    Thanks for asking!
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  6. lookingoutthewindow

    lookingoutthewindow New Member

    You profile sounds similiar to mine. I did the PT and massage and got worse. The Nuerologist, GP and Bone and Joint doctors all told me there was nothing wrong. That was even after 2 MRI's and @ sets of muscle and nerve tests. The Therapist sent me to a spine specialist where everything was repeated along with a myelogram (OUCH). I couldn't brush my teeth with one hand. To make along story short, I now have a plate and screws from C2 to C7. The specialist said I am lucky I didn't suffer permenant damage. Pay attention to your own body. FM mask this problem for quite a while.

    Hugs

    Great photo!

    Johnna
  7. grace54

    grace54 New Member

    Thank you for your interest and dedication. I have fibro/fatigue and am lucky to have a son who has practiced on me with good results. I was surprised as he prefers deep tissue and he is working on more and more women with fibro and helpeing them also. The fact they keep coming back to him says a lot.

    He is very aware how we all respond to pain individually and asks his clients to give feedback. I don't know what other types he uses but he is quite versatile and sincere. His office is warm and dim lighting seems to be quite comfortable to many. He also does a lot of house calls. I advised him even before he started that some could not tolerate even light pressure and explained how sore I am with fibro after even light exertion so I think I trained him right:)

    I think a good approach is to treat each person by communicating with them as much as necessary and they will guide you as far as what they can handle and never assume anything as we are all so unique.One thing he also does is follow up calls and people appreciate that. It is a very fulfilling job when one can relieve suffering without medication. Good luck
  8. padre

    padre New Member

    My MT began by doing a relaxation massage. After I tolerated it, she moved to deeper tissue massage each visit. She asked me to tell her if I had pain following a session. I got to a point where massage really helped. It was important for me to remember to drink lots of water afteward.

    I had to stop because of vacular surgery and any deep tissue massage might compromise my grafts.

    I miss it. More than physically, I think massage is image affirming and has real emotional benefits.

    Thank you for asking those who ought to know.
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  9. Mini4Me

    Mini4Me New Member

    I love it! The deeper the better, especially trigger point release massage. My body is full of nasty trigger points, and though it hurts a bit to release them, I feel like a million bucks when I'm done. (no trigger point pain in the following days).

    If I could afford it, I'd have a trigger point massage every morning.

    And, yes, as someone mentioned, keep the patient warm!
    Mini
  10. Daisys

    Daisys Member

    Thank you so much for asking! You will be a great therapist because of your attitude.

    My therapist helps me a lot. She is very gentle. She says some need to be treated gently because of having myofascial pain and trigger points both, if I'm remembering right. Treating one makes the other worse. Once my muscles were less tight, she could feel the knots that needed to be massaged, and she's very gentle with those.

    She told me that self help with theracane and tens machine therapy would be too rough on me. I put it in my health journal and then forgot about it. Later, I started taking physical therapy and they got me on theracane self help. I got much worse, and then found the entry and knew why! The trigger points themselves get very sore. Now I'm very gentle with the theracane, in between massage sessions.

    Obviously, you'll be needing to work with your patients on an individual basis and will need to get a 'feel' for the right approach with each one. Experience is the answer to that.

    I haven't even read the other posts yet, because I wanted to give you my fresh input. Now I'll go back and see if I'm just repeating others. :)
  11. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    I would suggest a massage therapist as opposed to a physical therapist. the direct cause of FMS is the body being dominated more by the sympathetic nervous system (fight or flight) than the parasympathetic nervous system which puts you in a relaxed or sleepy state. The therapist should be first trying to put you in the parasympathetic before attempting any deep work. A massage therapist would understand this much better.
  12. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    It sound like your therapist understands your condition. People with FMS have trouble getting into that totally "relaxed" state. You should practice meditation on a regular basis to try to trigger your parasympathetic nervous system. The more relaxed you are, the more pressure the therapist can use without pain, the more effective the therapy is.
  13. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    One of your causes of pain is your muscles trying to rid itself of toxins that have built up. Only while in controlled by the parasympathetic nervous system do our tissues repair themselves and excrete the waste material. FMS sufferers are constantly in the sympathetic nervous system. The waste in the tissue builds up and hurts when trying to push the waste out.
  14. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    Where most health care professionals spend 5-15 minutes with their patients massahe therapists spend a full hour at a time. Most massage therapists generally like people and get great satisfaction when they help their client. We really do care about the people we work on. I'm in the northern new jersey area. I'd be glad to consult with any contacts you have in my area.

  15. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    Thanks for you thoughts Grace. I will definitely keep them in mind.
  16. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    Despite the grafts in one area you should be able to get a message just eliminating the affected area. Ask you therapist.
  17. naturespirit

    naturespirit New Member

    One of the causes of FMS muscle pain in the build up of toxins in the muscle. Your regular jacuzzi detox sound like a great idea before a massage. Good to hear you have your condition under control.
  18. I am having gentle massages on my upper back, neck area and so far they feel wonderful and is the only thing that so far has helped. Sometimes it hurts a bit, but feels oh so good if you know what I mean, a good kind of hurt.
  19. mje

    mje New Member

    I started Massage in August 2003, Just a half hour for each session...one a week. My lower back, especially
    had very tight muscles. It was painful, but over time
    the therapuetic massage released some of those muscles
    and my back is better than it was for about 15 plus years.
    I never felt more pain in the days after the massage.
    Now I am going for an hour treatment twice a month, and the therapist is working on other sore muscles. Had also
    worked on shoulder and arm during the 1/2 sessions. I cannot say enough for it...I knew I would have pain during treatment, but had faith it would be successful. Pressure points must be included in therapeutic treatments, and the patient can tell the therapist to back off a little if it is impossible to tolerate. Hope this is clear enough to
    let you know my experience. This message board is velly,
    velly helpful in so many ways. MJE