Good Morning To All; First, let me say thanks to EVERYONE who replied to my original post. Some of you didn't get an individual thank you but your replies were read, considered, and appreciated! I didn't get to check in yesterday as this Nor'Easter thing we're getting here in NC had me in bed most of the day. The whole pain thing you know. I'm sorry the original thread got so long as I know that makes it difficult for people like us. Also, I'm very very sorry it got argumentative as that was not at all my intention. Everyone has their own opinions and beliefs, I totally respect that. Some of you have such passion! To me that's a good thing that I envy. Some of you are, on the other hand, skeptical and like to see the hard facts. I can truly appreciate that as I sort of fall into that category. All that being said, I've decided treating yeast overgrowth at this time is just not right for me. I now believe in it's existence, however I can't see it as a hidden epidemic. Those of you who have treated it and are much better, I don't doubt. Maybe you just intervened in time and had it not been treated, you might today have been in hospital or worse. Or, maybe the protocol you applied took care of something else going on in your body. But, I don't feel this is true for the majority of people with FM/ME(CFS). One reply to my post really jumped out at me. If you have your blood cultured and it grows yeast relatively quick, my opinion would be yeah, you have a yeast overgrowth problem. Also, if you have yeast coming out all orifices, then you'd better get to a doctor and have that culture done! Neither of those situations apply to me. That's one of the reasons I kept asking if a vaginal yeast infection was present when it was determined there was yeast overgrowth. Yes, I have a white tongue and sometimes a musty smell in places I won't discuss(not vaginal) but there are other reasons for those I feel. My theory, and I'm no doctor, is that if yeast is spreading through your gut and organs then it's got to be present in your blood. Another thing, every time I read an article on yeast overgrowth on the web it was connected to a site that sold lots of things to make the writer wealthier. Maybe that just makes me a bad researcher-I don't know. When I read medical papers I am more apt to give credence to a theory that cites other studies and research which backs up the studies. I guess I look for reasons why their theory should be believed even though I know to prove something is a ridiculous expectation in scientific research. Nothing is ever 100% right or wrong because of the magic of probability. I went to college with the ambition of becoming a researcher in the psychiatric field. I'm also a great fan of mystery and detective works. Maybe this explains my skepticism? I've been on probiotics for a couple weeks and I'm working on a better diet while adding vitamins and a couple supplements very slowly. Gut health I agree, should be addressed first. That was an easy decision as I have fairly intense IBS. A few times I was asked what was holding me back from trying a yeast protocol since it can be very inexpensive. The answer is my IBS. I have to be very careful what I put into my body because when it leaves my body it's sometimes debilitating for me. It has to really be worth the suffering and have no doubt I will suffer. At one point I could barely leave my home--bowel incontinence you know, very scary and no fun. I'm sure I have forgotten several points I wanted to make as my pain is pretty bad today. Because of several other problems besides FM/ME(CFS), I'll never get rid of that so I just have to adjust. Thanks again for everyone's help. I hope I never offended anyone by stating my own personal feelings and I wish you all the best in whatever decision you make for yourself concerning yeast overgrowth. Your Friend and Fellow Sufferer in FM/ME, Pat PS; Just a little tidbit I want to share--when I was 6 my newly born niece had thrush. Her mother had a bad vaginal yeast infection when she delivered. My mom and dad believed in the "old ways" so they took her to the 7th son of a 7th son. I watched as he laid her back carefully over his knees and blew down her throat. It was all very undramatic and as a 6 year old I was so disappointed. The next day she was completely better. Most people would laugh at this. Was her healing the result of her own body's defenses or some other extraneous variable? I'm sure scientists would say of course. People who believe intensely in a 7th son's healing capability would say no way--he did heal her. Just some food for thought!