Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by bioman85, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. bioman85

    bioman85 New Member

    Hey ralph and all who use NAET,

    I am looking at NAET info, and was wondering what the difference is between Advanced II and Advanced III - the one near me that I found is Advanced II, and she wrote me back an e-mail saying that the chronic fatigue protocol is extensive but works. Just tyring to get your feedback as to how this sounds to you.

  2. Meekah

    Meekah New Member

    I have been doing Naet treatments and accupuncture treamtents since May and I really notice a difrence for the better.

    You might want to check out Hope you find the info you're looking for.

    Hugs and Prayers
  3. Sbilek

    Sbilek New Member


    Advanced III just means they have more training in the NAET procedures and treatments.

    Ralph's suggestion is a good one. Find out how long the doctor has been practicing NAET. Everyone has to start somewhere, but the longer the practitioner has been doing it, the better they get at it.

    I underwent NAET four years ago, and it was the best money I ever spent. It literally saved my life. I had many, many health benefits from having it done. The practitioners where I went were the first ones in my area to do NAET, and they have changed many things over the years and gotten better at it.

    They do not do it by the book, according to Dr. Nambudripads's training and actually have incorporated Dr. Elllen Cutler's BIOSET technique in with the NAET and have really come up with their own version.

    I'd try to find a practitioner with the most experience, and/or ask them for references from their patients who have experienced success with the treatment.

    I hope you have it done. I think it's a great treatment. Keep us posted.

  4. bpmwriter

    bpmwriter New Member

    an excellent NAET practitioner in the west central florida area?

  5. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    Did the NAET help you with chemical sensitivities or foods only? If it helped you with chemical sensitivity can you tell me how bad you were, how much you improved, whether you are now able to tolerate chemicals or not and how many treatments you needed? Also, is there a maintenance programme with NAET to help keep symptoms at bay? Thanks so much. Shelbo.
  6. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    to see my questions...:) Shelbo
  7. pam_d

    pam_d New Member

    ...can't say enough about it, because it totally took away my hay fever/seasonal allergies, all while I was being treated for food sensitivities. It just shows how much this stuff was inter-related. I used to think I had NO food issues, yet I obviously did, and they had a huge effect on my nasal allergies.

    I found a great NAET practitioner/chiro in my area, he has many years of experience & training, and the fact that he has worked extensively with the oncology department of a major hospital in my area shows that he is well respected by "traditional" medicine here.

    My previous Bioset guy wasn't as good, in comparison to my present doc, his methods were were pretty haphazard....he recently lost his license in one state. But that doesn't say anything about Bioset, it just means HE wasn't a very good doctor....and that can certainly be said for docs in ALL of medicine, there will always be the ones you want to avoid.

    But I couldn't be happier with the NAET doctor (and his staff) that I have now, I feel very comfortable about his training, the way he insists patients follow the protocol explicitly, read about it, etc. AND it's not covered by my insurance, but his fees are very affordable, and believe me, I'm not working with a lot of discretionary income here.

    DO research well & find a practitioner you feel good about. BUt it has been well worth it for me so far, and I'm still going through some foods & supplement allergies...I feel like the best is yet to come!

    Good luck to you,
  8. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    bump...for Sbilek...can you see my questions for you in this thread?

    Pam_d...did the NAET help with chemical sensitivities...can you now tolerate some chemicals?

    TIA Shelbo
  9. pam_d

    pam_d New Member

    I never had chemical sensitivities that I'm aware of, so I can't exactly answer that one...Ralph or Sbilek may know.

    But I can tell you that my whole, entire life (I'm 49) I assumed I had nothing but nasal/respiratory-type allergies. If you would have asked if I had food allergies, I'd have said no, I can eat anything... I finally got interested in NAET a year or so ago, after moving to the Kansas City area (3 yrs. ago) and facing YET ANOTHER round of allergy shots as I got more & more allergic to my new surroundings.

    Again, I had the nasal stuff, but so horrible I couldn't sleep at night for all the sneezing, congestion, itchiness in ears & palate....I finally had the skin testing and Elisa testing done, and lo & behold, I'm allergic to gluten, eggs, dairy, nuts, soy, sugar, you name it---I'm sensitive. I tried this allergist's rotation diet, but I could eat next to nothing!!!

    Finally, I heeded Ralph & Sbilek's urgings to at least give NAET a chance. I thought I'd try it (I actually did Bioset first, wasn't crazy about the practitioner but liked the concept, now I'm doing NAET with a great doctor) and I stressed that I had food allergies, and likely supplement & other allergies, too---which it turned out, I did (B vitamins, hormones, etc.)

    I'm still in the middle of treating all of these, but one absolutely remarkable thing has been, my nasal allergies & hay fever are GONE. I can't state that strongly enough. So, in fact, treating my food issues had a domino effect on my nasal allergies. And when I say, gone, I mean, gone----not just lessened, I literally no longer sneeze, cough, use a kleenex, etc. I can't tell you how long it's been since I wasn't chained to Allegra, Flonase, Afrin, etc., etc....and most of the time, that stuff helped very little anyway.

    SO---back to your question---if you treat the basics like foods, vitamins, hormones, etc., you may just find your chemical sensitivities noticeably better.

    I'm a believer now, as you can tell, don't mean to sound like such a cheerleader, but it's---still---amazing to me that I'm not a nasal allergy & hay fever sufferer anymore. I owe a lot to Ralph, Sbilek & others who kept talking about allergy ELIMINATION...not just masking the symptoms with drugs...

  10. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    can answer. Do you have to KNOW exactly to what you are allergic before undergoing NAET? Thanks, Shelbo
  11. Sbilek

    Sbilek New Member


    Will try to answer your questions best I can, probably post will be long.

    Re Chemical sensitivities and allergies, now I know that I've probably been chemically sensitive for most of my life, but didn't really know a name to put to it.

    Before I underwent the NAET, my body was pretty sick, and had been through the gamut of traditional tests with the same old, "can't find anything wrong."

    Finally a very smart heart doctor at the Cleveland Clinic told me he felt I had fibromyalgia, and thus began my search.

    I had also gone to an allergist prior as I could not breathe through my nose at all and could hardly get any air breathing with my mouth open. I went through every single spray he had and I actually got worse. Evidently I was chemically sensitive to the sprays.

    I knew about the NAET, just vaguely, doctors where I went had been doing it for quite a while, first ones in my area, and my friend's husband, a dentist, sends quite a few of his patients there, plus a friend of my husband worked there, so, even though as skeptical as I was, at least that got me in the door.

    After the first treatment, my nasal passages opened up and I could breathe. It was like a had on pure oxygen, so I knew then there was "something" to these treatments. My nasal passages closed back up again soon thereafter, but gradually as the treatments progressed, my nasal passages remained open. Now, they hardly ever close up, and if they do, it's just a minor thing and usually doesn't last long.

    As to your questions re the chemical sensitivities, on a scale of one to ten, ten being the absolute worst, I'd say I'd put myself, pre NAET, at about 8.5, and certain things I'd be at a 10.

    Now, those ones that I would have been at a 10, I'm probably at a 2, and some things that bothered me before, I can now tolerate.

    Re my allergies, after finishing the treatments, my eyes began itching intensely, even worse than before until I had this MEA test done, a Mineral Electrolyte Test, and began taking elelectrolytes and minerals. The eye itching immediately stopped. This was also explained to me that this can happen, that sometimes as you clear certain things, it's like peeling an onion, that then some other ones can crop up that have been laying hidden.

    Re your question on the maintenance program, most NAET practioners recommend you come back once a year and be retested for the basics to see if you've failed any of them, and then be retreated. In my experience, most of the main basic treatments are permanent, once you're treated, you don't have to be retreated. Also in my experience, most everyone I've talked to anyways, usually has one or two things that are tough to permanently treat. For me, it's poison ivy, and B vitamins.

    Re your question on do you have to know what you're allergic to before you go? No. They will muscle test you with vials of "things" when you get there. If you aren't familiar with muscle testing, the practitioner will have you hold up your arm while you are holding the vial of, say, dairy products, and while they ask your body the question if you are allergic to it, if you are, as an example, you will not be able to resist the pressure of their arm and your arm will fall down. Most times for me it was as if someone was under the table pulling my arm down with a rope, that is how weak my arm was.

    Actually, my body was so toxic, after the first treatment, they sent me home with some homeopathics and told me not to come back for two weeks, and to take the homeopathics to clear my kidney and liver out a bit before I got started.

    If you aren't familiar with the muscle testing, I know it sounds kind of goofy, but not five years later, I've really gotten into this whole mind/body thing, and realize a lot more about energy flows, chakras, meridians, chi, etc.

    Back to the question of do you have to know what you're allergic to, when I went to the allergist and had the test done where they take the needle and prick you with all those allergens, I came up being hardly allergic to anything at all. The doctor was shocked.

    Then when I went for the NAET, I went through every single vial they had in that office. Obviously you can be allergic to lots of things and not even know it. Of course, if you are chemically sensitive, I'm sure there are tons of things you definitely know you are allergic to and sensitive to.

    Now I also realize how important electrolytes and minerals are to our bodies. Our foods are completely devoid of minerals and vitamins, compared to, say, 50 years ago due to modern farming practices. Our soils have been depleted of minerals and vitamins and they are not being put back in.

    Even if you are eating organic, which is certainly better than not organic, the foods are not up to snuff compared to years ago. I read a whole book on it once and it was an eye opener. I can't remember the exact comparison, but it was like one carrot 50 years ago, you'd have to eat three bags today to get the same benefit. It was really amazing.

    But that, coupled with, for most of us, a deficiency also of electrolytes, what happens is it closes down our cellular transport. This coupled with the amount of toxins we are exposed to everyday, from foods, to environment, our homes, offices, clothes, etc. Our kidneys and liver then get clogged up with these toxins, and voila, we begin going down the road of no return with our health.

    What is really, really great with the NAET in my opinion, is it's a really good jump start back to health again, quickly. I think it really saved my life.

    As Pam points out, it's important to get someone who is going to be able to help you. Hopefully there are a few practioners you can choose from in your area.

    Sometimes, you can actually be allergic to the practioner, and this can cause some problems. But don't let that discourage you from trying it, just give it a whirl and see what you think. If you know someone that has gone there, that would be great, too, or ask them for references of patients that have gone and had success. Most keep journals of patients who have sent letters of thanks.

    Give it try, see if you have success. You'll know soon enough. If you are really sick, it may take a while. It actually took me a couple months before I was seeing any real success, but then after that, it was leaps and bounds.

    As it was explained to me several times, "It took years for your body to get this way, and it will take a little time to undo it."

    Some people only need like eight or ten treatments, and some, like me, take four months or longer.

    It was the best money I've ever spent. I don't regret it at all, I just wish I had done it sooner.

    I hope this all helps you, I know it's kind of hard to understand. Believe me, I was probably the biggest skeptic that ever walked in the door where I went. Each time I'd go, I'd have a whole page of questions, and the doctors always patiently answered every single one.

    Again, ask for some references, ask how long they've been doing it, ask what their success rate it. Ask if they offer nutritional recommendations as well, homeopathics to help detox your liver and kidneys and other organs, also ask about emotional support.

    Our emotions play such a big role in all of this. This doesn't mean it's all in our heads, it must means that our cells hold memories of every single thing that has happened to us from infancy on. Sometimes this can make it difficult to clear a certain thing.

    Well, hope I've answered some of your questions, and if you have any others, let me know and I'll be glad to answer them as best I can.

    Oh, I completed my treatments in April of 2001, and it improved my fibro 98%, and most chemicals that I was highly allergic to before I can now tolerate.
  12. pam_d

    pam_d New Member don't have to know what you are allergic to, but it was interesting that my NAET doc's muscle testing exactly corresponded with the results of my Elisa testing, and I had not discussed those results with him beforehand. For example, I was allergic to all the same things that the Elisa testing showed, but NOT allergic to aspartame & other chemical sweeteners (which surprised my NAET doc, as lots of people are) which is just what my Elisa tests showed. So I felt good about the preciseness (is that even a word??) of my NAET doc's testing.

    When I first started, I told my doc, I'm a real skeptic---not just about this, but about most medical care. My doctor instantly answered, "Good! That's the kind of person we like to treat here!"

    If you read a little bit of the NAET site (just google it) they do discuss chemical sensitivities like you have. You have to be patient; I don't know if all NAET practitioners are like this, but mine clears allergies in a very specific order, and you have to get certain substances out of the way first before going on to more specific allergies or combinations. But you may be surprised how much the basics, once cleared, affect the rest of your allergies. That's what happened to me.

    Like Sbilek, I'm allergic to enough stuff that I'm in it for at least a few months. But given that allergy shots are a commitment of at least 3 years (and have never done for me what this has---and I'm not even finished yet!) I figure this is a small price to pay.

    Good luck,
    Pam[This Message was Edited on 09/12/2005]
  13. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    more questions...Do you have to strictly avoid the things to which you have been found to be sensitive for the weeks/ months you have to be treated?

    If you are not sure, maybe Ralph will have the answer? Hint hint! :)

    Plus, is NAET expensive?

    I am in the UK and wondering also how to find a really good practitioner...don't want to go to the wrong one as I have very little money right now.

    Thanks Shelbo :)
  14. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

  15. Sbilek

    Sbilek New Member


    Usually you just avoid the item you were treated for, for a 24 or as Ralph said, 25 hour period. Where I went, the avoidance time was usually three hours. I'm really not sure what they did differently to speed up the process.

    I think where MonkeyKat went for NAET, don't quote me on this, but I thought she said there was no avoidance time at all.

    Re expense, again, it varies, not sure how to put it into $$ in UK, but American dollars, a treatment can vary anywhere from $25 on up to $140. What the practitioner charges is not an indication of how effective the treatment will be for you.

    You can go to the NAET site and do a search for practitioners in your area, but there may be more than are actually listed on the NAET site. Usually, again, what I've noticed, that the practitioner, once they have completed the training, they are listed on the site, but not sure if they have to pay a fee or something to remain listed, but usually they seem to disappear from the site after a while, even though they are still doing NAET.

    Where I went for my treatments, they don't do it "by the book," as Dr. Nambudripad would like everyone to do, so not sure if that creates a "rift" sometimes either.

  16. pam_d

    pam_d New Member

    My cost is $41.00 a treatment; I'm in the midwest, so some things tend to be cheaper here, but mostly it is because my doctor strongly believes that he needs to make it affordable for patients. He realizes it is discretionary income people are using for this, as the majority of patients don't have this covered by insurance.

    At $41, it is costing me exactly $1 more than my $40 co-pay when I see a specialist under my Blue Cross plan.

    I go once a week, but you can go more.

    Different patients require different amounts of time to avoid substances (they check you for this), but 25 hours is probably about the avoidance time is typically 15 hours (my doc uses has 5-hour increments) for the substances I've been treated for so far. And my new NAET guy is very thorough, you must not eat or touch these things....but it is certainly over very quickly.

    hope this helps...Ralph & Sbilek are the experts here, I'm just a happy patient!

  17. pam_d

    pam_d New Member

    ...for Shelbo
  18. shelbo

    shelbo New Member

    It is so good to hear such positive things about NAET. I think I'm definitely gonna go for it if I can find the right practitioner here! I have posted a message for Ralph to ask him for tips on how to get the best NAET practitioner for me. Hopefully he'll see that and get back to me. I feel, being in the UK, that maybe the NAET pracs here don't know as much as those who are based in the States where it all began.

    It was so good to share your experiences with me. I feel very lucky on this board to be surrounded by such wonderful, helpful people who despite their own struggles are willing to share so much! Thank you again.

    Love Shelbo :)

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