Naturopath input for disability determination?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by pdxlurker, Dec 12, 2002.

  1. pdxlurker

    pdxlurker New Member

    Hello everyone, I'm new to the board but have been reading posts for a while - thank you for all the good information!
    After being unable to work for nearly a year, and only able to work about 5 hours a week from home the previous year, I have finally come to terms with needing to apply for Social Security Disability.

    My PCP M.D. at my HMO diagnosed me with CFS in March of this year, but I get most of my care from a naturopath, since the HMO seems not to offer many of the treatment options I am interested in. My question is: has anyone used their medical records from a naturopath to help in getting approved for disability payments? I am going to ask my MD if she will support my claim, but my naturopath is much more involved in my care - I see him 2 to 4 times a month and the MD only every few months. I'm not sure if Social Security views naturopaths as too "alternative", so I do not know if I should include the naturopath's information in my claim. If anybody has any experience in this area I would appreciate greatly to hear about it.
  2. pdxlurker

    pdxlurker New Member

    Hello everyone, I'm new to the board but have been reading posts for a while - thank you for all the good information!
    After being unable to work for nearly a year, and only able to work about 5 hours a week from home the previous year, I have finally come to terms with needing to apply for Social Security Disability.

    My PCP M.D. at my HMO diagnosed me with CFS in March of this year, but I get most of my care from a naturopath, since the HMO seems not to offer many of the treatment options I am interested in. My question is: has anyone used their medical records from a naturopath to help in getting approved for disability payments? I am going to ask my MD if she will support my claim, but my naturopath is much more involved in my care - I see him 2 to 4 times a month and the MD only every few months. I'm not sure if Social Security views naturopaths as too "alternative", so I do not know if I should include the naturopath's information in my claim. If anybody has any experience in this area I would appreciate greatly to hear about it.
  3. lisjhn

    lisjhn New Member

    I listed my naturopath and her diagnosis of FMS and all the alternative meds I've tried when I filed for disability in May of this year. I did get denied, but that was pretty much a given as they deny most people the first time round. I think the more diagnosises (sp?!) and doc visits (including naturopaths) the better chance you have of getting approved. It shows that you have a health problem concerning you a great deal and how it's affecting your lifestyle.

    There is a naturopath in my area (WA) that is certified in QEEG's which is a testing they do that Social Security considers a valid diagnosis for the testing of CFS. So they will look at that test at least. Although I haven't had it done, I believe it's a scan to show abnormal brain waves that show lack of concentration, mental alertness and the ever so wonderful fog.
  4. pdxlurker

    pdxlurker New Member

    the name of the doctor? I live in Oregon so it might not be out of the question for me to travel to get the test. I already know that I have a "nonspecifically" abnormal EEG of the standard sort, so maybe this test could tell more.

    Thank you for your quick reply, lisjhn, and it makes sense to me that to include more information in the claim would be better, even if it's not from an M.D.
  5. sofy

    sofy New Member

    SS is done only on medical records and naturopaths are not looked on as real doctors by most of the medical establishment and they are the ones who will be making the determination. I would think you would be better off not mentioning CFS or fibro and going with diagnosed symptoms. That is what I am doing. It you say either cfs or fibro and use naturopath to try and back it up you are likely to be put in the whiney womens file right off. Now I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not but just a guess. They hold the rule card and if you want to play and win you would probably stand a better chance if you serve the type of ball they recognize.
  6. Bellesmom

    Bellesmom New Member

    Success with disability claims. He is a naturopath. I don't know what kind of disability claims and his website doesn't go into that but my PCP has been absolutely no help so I am looking forward to having the added help and input healthwise.

    And if he can help on my claim (which was denied about a month ago for the first round) then that is all the better.

    His name is Jon Dunn and you can look him up on the Internet under Olympia, WA. That's what I did. All you can do is keep looking and asking friends, acquaintances, etc. There are now so many people with these similar health situations that almost anyone you talk to can help or can refer you to someone for treatment. They won't all work out (some charge too much, some just don't appeal) but you just have to keep looking.

    That's what I've learned from visiting this board is not to give up.

    Wishing you success

    Pam
  7. lisjhn

    lisjhn New Member

    Yes, Jon Dunn is the one who is certified in performing QEEG's. If you're gonna see him, I'd definitely ask about that. I go to Suzanne Adams who is also in Olympia.

    But yes, like sofy said, a naturopath alone ain't gonna get you the disability. I don't know that for sure but just a hunch. I had a dozen different doctors and specialists listed along with her but I figured it didn't hurt to add her too.
  8. pdxlurker

    pdxlurker New Member

    Thanks for all your replies. I'll check into the Olympia naturopath, since I think it could be very helpful to get some testing done that Social Security accepts. I'll definitely be including information in my claim from my MD and other specialists, not just my naturopath, since I do have that concern of the MDs who decide on the claim not taking it seriously...

    I had a seizure in 1992, around the time I started really going downhill with CFS, although I think I have had it for 20 years. At least since the seizure I have had an abnormal EEG so maybe this QEEG would show something...

    It's only in the last year that I have gotten so ill that I have finally stopped trying to minimize and hide my health problems. I used to work in healthcare and only told my physician at that time about my very worst symptoms, for fear that in our small hospital the news would get out somehow and I would be thought to have that whiny woman syndrome... Now I'm over that and am telling it all to the doctors so that if they have something to offer they will do so.