Need diet help for Metabolic Syndrome, PLEASE!!!!

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by kadywill, Sep 14, 2002.

  1. kadywill

    kadywill New Member

    Got this, got FM/CFIDS and many, many other incidentals and weight gain and excessive carbohydrate craving are driving me mad!!! Please, if any of my friends can give me specifics relating to what I should and should not be eating~~~how much and what portions, etc., I would be so grateful. I have stopped the aspartame and am only drinking water. I have some seriously major DISLIKES for a lot of foods, but I need to know what'll help me shed this weight. Yes, I've had hypothyroidism for about 12 years and take a lose dose of Synthroid to keep me within the normal range. I stopped my two antidepressants a month ago and I'm taking Black Cohosh for menopause and Milk Thistle for liver detox. along with a vitamin and mineral supplement and Calcium with D. I take Ultram mainly for pain, but take Vicodin p.r.n.
    Any advice??
  2. kadywill

    kadywill New Member

    Got this, got FM/CFIDS and many, many other incidentals and weight gain and excessive carbohydrate craving are driving me mad!!! Please, if any of my friends can give me specifics relating to what I should and should not be eating~~~how much and what portions, etc., I would be so grateful. I have stopped the aspartame and am only drinking water. I have some seriously major DISLIKES for a lot of foods, but I need to know what'll help me shed this weight. Yes, I've had hypothyroidism for about 12 years and take a lose dose of Synthroid to keep me within the normal range. I stopped my two antidepressants a month ago and I'm taking Black Cohosh for menopause and Milk Thistle for liver detox. along with a vitamin and mineral supplement and Calcium with D. I take Ultram mainly for pain, but take Vicodin p.r.n.
    Any advice??
  3. Copper2002

    Copper2002 New Member

    Keep a food diary of 3 days intake of EVERY bite, every drop you put in your mouth. The days do not have to be consecutive, and really better if not. Pick random days to record during a 7-10 day period.

    Unless you've got nutriton software on your PC, the next part requires some work & research. Evaluate your diet lists and break them down into meaningful categories:
    calories, proteins, fats, carbs, percentages of each. Break these down further by determining %'s of saturated, poly, and mono fats, simple and complex carbs, plant or animal protein, etc.

    Your goal should be (and this is a VERY general guideline) 55-60% carbs, 25-30% fats, and 15-20% protein. Carbs should be 100% complex (meaning NO processed foods), only a SMALL % of fats should be saturated, and 75% of your proteins should come from plant sources.

    Living this reality is another different story, though. Me, the nutritionist, I LOVE cereals (boxed), ice cream and excesses of fruit. For 45 years, that had served me well. Since beginning the medicine regimen I seem to require to minimally function, I've gained a whopping 60 pounds! I'm also TRYING to deal with my own super-demon, tobaco. I stopped, again, last week, now EVERYTHING looks good to eat!

    Being a behavior/nutrition "specialist" isn't helping me with SQUAT! LOL

    Good luck to us all,
    Copper
    Let Miracles Replace all Grievances
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Many of us suffer from hypoglycemia. Dr. St. Amand calls us Hypomyalgic. If you start the day with a high protein breakfast, it really helps keep the cravings for carbs down. Eating smaller meals throughout the day helps too. Eliminate white from your diet in the forms of flour, rice, patatoes, and sugar. Fruit has carbs which are better for us than sweet prepared treats. Some believe it better to keep the carbs separate from the protein. I will have a couple of eggs for breakfast and save the fruit or yoghurt for my mid-morning snack.

    Some believe that we can produce hormones but are inefficient in utilizing them. This may mean an increase in thyroid hormone with testing to ensure that one doesn't become hyperthyroid. Our metabolisms are really messed up from just having the FMS. Our mitochondria are unable to produce proper amounts of ATP and we don't burn our calories as efficiently as "normal" people.

    Whatever form and amount of exercise which can be tolerated helps to keep carb cravings down and to rev up our sagging metabolisms. It also can help to maintain muscle tone and strength.

    Good luck to you.

    Love, Mikie
  5. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    A book called The Syndrome X Diet has all the info you want. (Metabolic Syndrome used to be called Syndrome X before they knew that the "X" was insulin resistance).
    The % of carbs listed in the above post, while good for normals, is too high for us. Also, carbs should never be eaten without balancing with proteins. Do not eat carbs by themselves when you have Metabolic Syndrome. Normals should balance carbs to proteins in a 2 to 1 ratio, but for us it should be 1 to 1. It is very hard for me to force myself to eat that much protein, and even with the extra, it is hard to lower my carbs, but you must lower carbs, or you will gain weight on the diet. That's what happened to me. I normalized my lipids for the first time ever when I stuck to the "X" diet (risk ratio 3.5), but gained 9 lbs. in 2 months so I went off it. Now my lipids are worse than ever (risk ratio 8.8). I am going back on the "X" diet and resolving to keep those carbs low. Of course, all simple carbs must go. Use an ice cream scoop to measure out one scoop of brown rice only. Eat only 1/2 of a small red potato...no white potatoes. No white bread...make sure the label says "whole grain". Use olive oil, walnuts, cold water fish, tofu or flax seed oil to get most of your fats and do not go below 30% of calories from fat. These "good" fats actually help raise the low HDL that we have in Metabolic Syndrome.
    Good luck. I know how hard this is. I keep telling myself I'm going to die of heart disease if I don't stick to this and my Cardiologist told me the same thing, but I still have trouble making myself stick to it. I crave sweets so badly. Also, as I'm sure you know, untreated Metabolic Syndrome always leads to high blood pressure (I already have this) and diabetes. It seems so unfair when I have eaten so much healthier than anyone I know all of my life. Life is unfair! I pray that you and I will both suceed.
    Klutzo
    [This Message was Edited on 09/15/2002]
  6. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Thanks for the book. I will look for it. Insulin resistance is usually the second step beyond hypoglycemia and can indeed lead to diabetes. Having a lot of fat around the middle of the body is one symptom that one is developing insulin resistance. This is all a horrible downward spiral. I had not heard about this diet and am grateful for the info. Thanks.

    Love, Mikie
  7. herblady

    herblady New Member

    looks like you got some sources here. also if you need to know about it, try a seach engine such as google.com. i'm sure you'll find what you need there. cindi
  8. kadywill

    kadywill New Member

    for ALL of this info.! I have been dangerously hypertensive for many years~~~first started when I was a cheerleader in high school!!! (Heredity)
    I will take all of your suggestions and will try hard to follow this. I find that I am already craving less FOOD in general since I stopped my diet drinks and have been loading up on water.
    SHIRL, 110 oz. of water is not at all hard to drink!!! It sounds like a lot, but I've had NO difficulty at all and I'm still thirsty. I think my BUN/Creatinine are elevated because I'm dehydrated~~the docs just assume I'm in early renal failure due to the Lupus, but I wonder...... Dehydration makes more sense right now...
    I have noticed bloating and gaseousness since I began all these changes: no caffeine, no aspartame, taking high potency vitamins and minerals, 81 mg. of aspirin a day, calcium with D, Colace, and lots of water, but I don't have a clue which, if any, are causing this yukky problem! This I can live with for the time being! lol But, can my husband???????
    I'll let you know how I do!!!
    I may have many more questions!
    Love,
    Kady
  9. roro

    roro New Member

    I follow a low-carb diet, and it has worked great for me. After 20 years of dieting and yo-yo-ing I have finally found a plan that works for me. I have lost the weight and kept it off for 2 years. A good site for support is

    http://www.locarbfriends.com
  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Some time back, someone posted an article about the dangers of chlorine in the body. Splenda uses chlorine in the production process and the product contains chlorine. It's been so long back that it may not be available on the search function here because ProHealth has changed internet providers. Using a search engine on the web would probably turn it up. I use a good water filter to remove chlorine from my tap water in the kitchen. I had it tied into the ice maker on my fridge as well. It uses two filters and ultraviolet light to clean the water.

    As far as I know, only Stevia is a safe alternative to sugar.

    Love, Mikie
  11. Copper2002

    Copper2002 New Member

    Succanant is also a good choice as a sugar alternative IF IF IF you are not diabetic, and is sometimes easier to find than stevia. But, stevia is THE best choice with insulin probs.

    Gas & bloating: have any of you tried using bitters or digestive enzymes? Most FM'ers don't produce enough enzymes until AFTER we've eaten (if at all), which can lead to heartburn, gas and bloating. Taking bitters before a meal, or digestive enzymes (as dir. on bottle) puts those enzymes where they need to be WHEN they need to be there.

    A Reuters recent article re: a low-carb, high-protein diet, states this diet delivers a marked acid load to the kidneys. If you have renal probs, it might be a good idea to talk to your doc before using this diet. The article can be found at: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/440139

    Copper
    Let Miracles Replace all Grievances
    [This Message was Edited on 09/16/2002]
  12. kadywill

    kadywill New Member

    I haven't tried this, but I've tried Lactaid, thinking it was only from lactose intolerance. What are bitters???
  13. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Yes, the extreme high protein diets do put extra work load on the kidneys. Eating plenty of veggies is still a good way to go. Carbs from fruit is good too as long as one doesn't overdo it. Being diabetic is a whole 'nother ballgame and anyone with diabetes should be following a diet prescribed by his or her doctor or nutritionist.

    Love, Mikie
  14. klutzo

    klutzo New Member

    Some doctors are now diagnosing Metabolic Syndrome on the basis of waistline alone, assuming that if your waist is that big the telltale low HDL and high triglycerides can't be far behind. The cut-off is 35 inches for a female and 40 inches for a male. In my case the low HDL came first and is genetic, then came the high triglycerides, then the high blood pressure (also genetic), and then the huge gain around my waist of 14 inches, without gaining an extra pound....it just moved up from below!
    People often think that hypoglycemia is the opposite of diabetes, but it is actually the first stage of development of it, insulin resistance is second, then prediabetes, and then diabetes itself.
    Stevia is much stronger than sugar, so don't be put off by the price tag. One tiny bottle of Stevia drops has lasted me much more than a year now.
    I also find that I have a very good memory for tastes and I can use that to help me diet. When I see a yummy chocolate eclair, for example, I will stand there and look at it and imagine the taste of eating it until I've gotten a really good "taste" in my mind....almost as good as really doing it.
    Klutzo
    Klutzo
  15. Copper2002

    Copper2002 New Member

    >>When I see a yummy chocolate eclair, for example, I will stand there and look at it and imagine the taste of eating it until I've gotten a really good "taste" in my mind....almost as good as really doing it.<<

    ROFLMAO!!!! I would drool if I tried this!

    Kadywill, I'm not familiar with Beano. I've heard of it, but never seen the ingredients. Generally, I look for one that has AT LEAST: protease, amylase & lipase. Most will also have other enzymes as well. The one I'm currently using also includes papain and bromelin, both of which are indicated for fibro/arthritic pain. These particular ones are from NOW and called "Chewable papaya enzymes". They also include chlorophyll and mint, so work well as a breath freshener, too. Cost was under $10 for 360 of them.

    hope this helps,
    Copper
    Let Miracles Replace all Grievances
  16. kadywill

    kadywill New Member

    all this info really helps...I'm gonna look up the site and do research prior to seeing the "liver doctor" next Wednesday. I'm kinda nervous and really anxious about having to "tell my story" all over again to a new doctor~~~I'm never sure what kind of person he'll be!!