NOT happy about the health care bill passing

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by AuntTammie, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    It is supposed to lower Medicare payments overall and esp for Medicare Advantage plans.....considering that they already pay so little most Drs won't take them, this will make them completely worthless....not to mention that Medicare is already almost out of money, so how on earth do they think this is a good idea?!?!?!

    for exp, my last set of tests cost well over 1,000 and my Medicare Advantage plan covered 80....that is less than EIGHT low exactly do they think they can go when this plan takes effect?
  2. victoria

    victoria New Member

    I just hope the fact that at least 10+ states will be suing the federal gov't will make a difference! It's unconstitutional to make people pay private people money by law, this is insane.


  3. simpsons

    simpsons Member

    aunt tammie

    you and i have always got on well and we do have many problems with the nhs in the uk and the known links with insurance no need to cover old ground here

    however it is something that we are proud of and i believe that it is human right to have medical treatment regardless of any other factors. health should not be the right of those who can afford it it should be a basic human right so i think that your president has already shown some grace with the research funding for wpi

    maybe he will get it right better than the nhs in the uk he is fresh and idealistic

    how many times have i seen people here on this board who have been so very very down because they couldn.t afford dr.s. i hope from the bottom of my heart that this is a good move for ME/cfids patients in the us whom many of have slipped through the net of health care losing jobs housing etc to the point that life seems worthless

    good companies pay for their staffs health care and look after them cause then they will have a productive working staff who will earn them more money working at their best perhaps this can be the same for a country

    i think it is so very very sad when i see americans who cannot afford basic health care
    did i see hear wrong or did i see that he has stopped the space program spending perhaps this is where he will find the money

    after all looking for little green men is probably a waste of money and probably better spent on keeping humans healthy

    this is just my opinion and i am no expert on your country i hope i don.t offend you but just to say this could be such a good thing think of all those ME/cfids patients who could get to see a dr now
  4. victoria

    victoria New Member

    the way they're doing it isn't going to work in the best interests of the patients, ultimately...

  5. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Active Member

    Hi Simpsons - The difference with the US health care plan is that the gov't isn't running the health care insurance. The American's will still have to buy their health insurance through private companies. They will still have co-pays, and in some instances will have to pay for treatment up front and then wait to be reimbursed by their insurance company, and for the next four years they won't be covered for any pre-existing illnesses except in the case of children. They will also still be expected to pay exhorbitant premiums every month. They pay more for one month's premiums than we do for a whole year here in Canada.

    The US plan is a start, however, it has a long way to go before it will be anywhere near as good as what is offered in the UK or Canada. It is already being predicted that Obama will be a one term president because of this, and that the first thing the next president will do when he comes into office is get rid of this health care plan.
  6. Gingareeree

    Gingareeree New Member

    Jam,This country is not angry about the recent turn of events because of Obama's color!Geez....The majority of people let it be known loud and clear they didn't want this bill,it's the egregious diplay of power grabbing and basically thumbing of noses at the very people they are supposed to represent that has caused this public outrage...Tiger Lilea,we can ONLY hope that this bill will be repealed. Most would agreee that we need some reform,however,the very fact that this president,et all wouldn't even consider tort reform and the ability to shop across state lines for insurance,speaks volumes about what their agenda really is....larger gov't control,removing the very freedoms our founding fathers put into place.More entitlements....give me a break it's so scary what they are getting away with.Ohhhhh...~~~Jeanne
  7. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    you don't offend me at all.....I have no problem with differences of opinion and besides you make some good points; however, the reason I am upset is bc this is going to hurt people on Medicare in a pretty major way - even many of the people who were completely behind this bill have said that much - they are taking money from Medicare to help fund this bill and Medicare is already running out of money bc the govt has borrowed from it repeatedly

    ....and they are going to reduce the amt that Medicare pays doctors, and since that amt is already extremely low and most docs will not accept it, any lower will basically mean that people on Medicare for all intents and purposes will now be the ones w/o health care coverage (if no dr will take your coverage, then it is useless.....and yet we are still forced to pay for basically people on Medicare who are already very poor, and also have the most medical needs are going to be forced into paying some of their low incomes for worthless coverage)

    of course I would like for everyone to be able to have health care, but not at the expense of those who need it the most to the people not on Medicare, and who do not currently have coverage bc they cannot afford it, only a small amt will actually be helped - the very poorest are already getting Medicaid, so they are covered (although medicaid also is not readily accepted by docs, the people on it will still be on it), the ones who do not qualify for medicaid but cannot afford other health care may benefit from this, bc they are supposed to get govt subsidies to help pay for the insurance (however, the subsidies are not going to start rt away and the mandatory health care coverage is going to - so in the meantime those people are going to be forced to spend money they do not have to buy health care)

    .....and for those who are a step above getting subsidies, they are simply going to be forced to buy health care - that is just not rt - I know health care is important but being forced into it is wrong - the govt already determines where so much of most people's money goes, they should have no say in this
  8. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    I did not want Obama as president, but the one good thing I had hoped would come from it was a decrease in prejudice and unfortunately it seems that exactly the opposite has happened - I hate that!
  9. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    Sadly, I have seen a huge increase in racial comments since Obama became president, so I don't doubt what jam wrote at all.....I think it's ignorant and stupid to try to blame race for this, but it has been happening

    as to the rest of what you said, though, I absolutely agree - our country's freedoms are being eroded in many ways and it is frightening
  10. simonedb

    simonedb Member

    I am not sure what I think of it I havent been effected directly yet as still work p.t. and carry pretty good ins. over the years.
    Some of my friends w/out ins. said they are happy on facebook after this passed, I have an email into my friend with fm on ssdi to ask her how it will effect her medicare, will let you know if yay or nay.
    This is what Dr Edelberg a fm/cfs doc in Chicago's blog says, (bottom line he says yay):

    Health Care Reform
    I’d been watching CSPAN on and off since 9 a.m. Sunday morning. Twelve hours later, by the time the House finally passed the health care reform bill, I was emotionally exhausted, had a throbbing headache, and was getting depressed over how I’d write this health tip if the bill failed to pass.

    In between my viewings, I spent some time online, reading the details of the South Carolina Supreme Court decision to uphold a massive fine against health insurance giant Assurant Health for illegally revoking the insurance of a 17-year-old who had become HIV positive. It turns out the company had been routinely targeting all their enrollees who had become HIV positive.

    Then I read about federal insurance auditors who were looking over the “pre-existing condition” reversals of Anthem Blue Cross, the California insurance giant that recently announced huge premium increases for individual policyholders. The auditors randomly selected 100 enrollees whose insurance had been revoked. The results? There was no justification for withdrawing benefits in any of the 100 policies reviewed. Not one enrollee deserved to have his or her insurance taken away. No justification whatsoever except Anthem’s unmitigated greed.

    As of 9 p.m. Sunday night, this heinous practice will become illegal. Ten years from now young people won’t believe it was possible for companies to do this — in the same way they really don’t believe America once had separate drinking fountains for white and black people.

    Because of the current economy, in the office this week I’ll be seeing the ever-climbing number of patients who have no health insurance whatsoever. Former President Bush said of this, “No problem. They can use emergency rooms.” Although I wouldn’t wish fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome on anyone, I’d be curious to see how he’d react if one of his daughters had to wait for hours in an overcrowded ER, trying to explain her chronic pain or exhaustion to an overworked intern.

    But now there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

    The health care bill has passed. Those who voted against it know in their hearts health care reform is here to stay. Yes, the bill is flawed and yes, it will be tweaked. But at least no one will take it away.

    History was made on Sunday night. If President Obama does nothing else for the rest of his term in office, he’ll be remembered as the president who healed our collective fear of being ill and unable to afford medical care for ourselves or our loved ones.
  11. gapsych

    gapsych New Member

    In general I do not think our rights are being taken away however I am hoping we will be continuing to see increase with human rights such as guarantee of medical care, guarantee of equal opportunities, freedom of choice for women.

    It is shaming to think that 1% of the richest people of the country basically control the other 99%, get the tax breaks, huge corporate bonuses, profit from wars, etc. etc. etc.

    Greed and capitalism have been running the country he last eight years. They are taking away our rights. Rich, greedy politicians, are the worse along with the libertarians, the Rush Limbaughs, the Bill O'Reillys, Shawn Hannity's who inject scare tactics whenever they can, as well as even farther than right groups like the tea party. I am more scared of them than outside terrorist.

    This may not be the best bill, but it is a start in the right direction and is a huge undertaking which could have gone on for years. I credit Obama for doing a lot of great things in such a short time.

    Perfect, no, but certainly impressive. But, I also voted for Obama.


    [This Message was Edited on 03/23/2010]
  12. cfs since 1998

    cfs since 1998 New Member

    gapsych what a crock of BS. Libertarians are terrorists and taking away your rights? I am never sure whether I should argue with you because you are serious or laugh because your posts are meant to be satire.[This Message was Edited on 03/23/2010]
  13. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    It is not ensuring a human right when force is involved and they ARE forcing people to pay for health care, and it is not a guarantee of medical care when doctors do not have to accept medicare medicaid, etc....all that does is force people to pay for worthless coverage, making the situation worse

    not to mention that if you are on SSDI and do not go to a Dr regularly, they come up with the brilliant reasoning that you must not be disabled anymore, and then they take away your SSDI, so people who are on medicare and cannot find a doctor to accept it then have to pay out of pocket for a different doctor just to keep their SSDI
  14. Elisa

    Elisa Member

    This bill will increase revenues to all disease promoting organizations (rather than health promoting and didease preventing) including big Pharma (who profits are beyond our imagination).

    It will also dump 30 million new patients into already poorly managed doctors offices - we should know - we're one of the most poorly managed patient populations.

    It is marxism period.

    We are rewarding the unmotivated and hurting the engines of our economy - the hard working people.

    If he wanted to do something to improve our health and health system - he could have been innovative in a million ways.

    Have you read the first ladies senior thesis at Princeton, you should...its online and its frightening.


    [This Message was Edited on 03/23/2010]
  15. Gingareeree

    Gingareeree New Member

    I concur....what a crock indeed!!~~Jeanne
  16. springwater

    springwater Well-Known Member

    He has inherited a very broken up economy but pushes on nevertheless to do what is right.

    America has such a high standard of living compared to most countries. I dont think it will really
    hurt the haves to have a little less so that the have nots can get their basic rights like medicare.

    I like Obama, he seems to run his policies on NOT "how will this affect my chances of re election" but on "what is the right thing to do".

    I love that he went ahead and met with HH The Dalai Lama" inspite of endangering ties with eco giant China. It was a reaffirmation of the stance on human rights America is almost the flagship country for.

    This is a man with his heart in the right place. Taking money away from the space studies is also a right move for now. Whats the use of spending billions on things like that when there are more pressing needs down at home? They can always reinstate that when the economy gets better.

    The racial attacks on him i read about in chat rooms etc make me laugh. The colour of his skin does not prevent him from being one of the most refined, intellligent, brave, idealistic men i have ever seen. Besides being so young and leading one of the largest and most powerful countries in the world.

    God Bless

    God Bless

  17. winsco1

    winsco1 New Member

    I think we should all now just bend over and grab our ankles because we are in for a ride.
  18. AuntTammie

    AuntTammie New Member

    why is it so hard for some people to understand that it won't matter if we can continue to have medicare if no docs will take it bc it no longer pays anything???

    same thing goes for medicaid and for any other insurance that is run in a similar manner

    this is not taking from the rich and giving to the poor - it is taking from places like medicare that are already hurting (and by doing so taking from the poor) and making those programs completely useless

    and for all those who want to say this is racial or about political party lines or sour grapes about the election or worries about socialism or a conspiracy theory or anything else along those lines, I HATE prejudice, I do not ever vote based on political parties, but rather on the issues, I did not vote for Obama, but do not have sour grapes (again I care about the issues, not the specific person or party - if he did stuff that was good for the country I would happily embrace him as president regardless of who I voted for), & I am not saying that this is or is not anythign to do with a conspiracy, socialism, or whatever else

    .....I just believe that it is an incredibly stupid plan and will wind up hurting far more than it helps....that's it plain and simple
  19. winsco1

    winsco1 New Member

    I could not have said it any better.
  20. quanked

    quanked Member

    I was thinking something about this yesterday. I did not know any states would be suing but I figured that there must be something very wrong and illegal about forcing individuals to purchase anything. No due process here.

    I thought to myself how utterly stupid and ridiculous to believe that you can force a population that already is destitute to purchase something it already desperately needs. This is insane. That is the soultion to the health care issue in the nation--just force the poor to buy the damned insurance and be done with it!

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