'Organic" from China? - NOT!

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by victoria, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. victoria

    victoria New Member

    Whole Foods 'ORGANIC' "made in CHINA"-? Even frozen 'California Mixed Vegetables'!

    Read the labels everywhere you go, even in your local HF store, on every product...
    this is a real eye-opener and really sad about just how bad our gov't is in 'certifying' things - and how meaningless these certifications are...
    bottom line, be skeptical of everything :(

    After all the news about contamination in many different products from toys to you name it, I don't think I'd buy supplements made in China... equally scary is the fact that many necessary ingredients for prescribed meds are made in China now as well...

    one overview 'just' about frozen 'organic' food grown/processed in China:

  2. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Active Member

    Hi Victoria - Most of the ingredients used to make supplements and prescription drugs here in North America come from China.

    One of the local supplement manufacturers here in BC went to China to check out the factories that were manufacturing some of the ingredients they imported and they were shocked to find that one of the factories was used during the day to manufacture pesticides and then a second shift used the same factory at night to produce ingredients for export to North America for supplements.
  3. victoria

    victoria New Member

    given the lack of inspectors in the US itself, it doesn't make me want to trust China after all the scandals about 'regular' stuff - melamine in the milk, heavy metals found in chinese herbal meds, and the toys sold thru Toys R Us for a few examples.

    I am sure there are some legitimate companies/factories, the sad thing is we just don't know which ones. AND these constant disclosures equally makes me nervous about prescription meds.

    While the report I posted is a bit old, I'm not seeing anything online to make me think things have improved... when there's continual scandals about food & such, it doesn't lead to confidence when it's apparent the $$ is the most important thing and the inspections are obviously not working-- especially in the US when it hits the shores!

    (Here in Mexico I see inexpensive plastic storage containers from different countries without any numbers even on the bottom... so sad. )
  4. victoria

    victoria New Member

    I know - as, Yes, I am totally unhappy about not knowing where ingredients come from!

    Thanks for that info! I'll have to look up their site.

    I have looked at ConsumerLab's site, it's amazing how uneven different brands are as to quality/contamination of different products, no matter how reputable overall a brand may be.

    It still boils down to buyer beware, but unless you test everything yourself, you'll never know for sure. It reminds me of a doctor I was seeing who followed a macrobiotic diet (tho he didn't necessarily recommend it to pts) - he 1/2-teasingly asked the guy behind the counter where he bought his fish and if it was tested for mercury etc. The guy said it would be quite interesting but the problem would be that every single fish would have to be tested as they came from all parts of the world, not a single catch, to start with... plus apparently they can mingle beyond their own groups.

    BTW, there was a report that said farmed fish from the US was the most contaminated! So, one can't even be sure about that...

  5. quanked

    quanked Member

    appreciate this post. It feels like so many things are unsafe now. I wonder if we will ever be able to trust any part of our system again.

    I sent to emails to ProCaps Laboratories in Nevada to find out whether the products I am using are formulated with ingredients from China. I read their website and did not find any information about where their ingredients come from. The company touts the fact that they are all solar and their products are made in Nevada.

    Now I wait.
  6. victoria

    victoria New Member

    let us know if you get an answer.

    A friend just sent me this trailer

    It's a documentary airing 4/21 on PBS,

    "Food Inc. A Documentary Film by Robert Kenner. The film airs on POV on April 21st. How much do we know about the food we buy at our local supermarkets and serve to our families? Though our food appears the same as ever — a tomato still looks like a tomato — it has been radically transformed. ..."

    Yes, re mercury & fish... smaller the better, and they say to avoid the bottom-feeders :( -dangit I love shrimp but rarely eat it.

    There may be lower amounts of heavy metals in farmed fish, depending, but don't forget about other contaminants like PCBs, abx, etc, plus the fact they're grown in very crowded conditions + not fed the best stuff often... like hydrolyzed chicken feathers!

    There's a study that shows we have 100+ chemicals in our bodies today that were not in our grandparents'/great-grandparents' bodies 100 years ago on average (obviously those who lived in industrial areas would've had a different picture) .... very sad and scary, our hormonal and other systems are very messed up from all these things.

    The interaction of all these things will vary person to person.... I;'ve no doubt that dioxin is why I have endometriosis, it has been strongly linked and I grew up in the midwest... plus of course in general MCS overall is increasing in populations...

    [This Message was Edited on 04/19/2010]
  7. victoria

    victoria New Member

    my grandparents and parents and in-laws did... many lived well into their 80s and high 90s... way past their expected longevity for their generations.

    but neither my DH or I expect to. Our relatives were in much better shape than us at this point in their lives.... I have my doubts about how it will shake out over the next 40 years, tho of course most of us won't be around to know anyway...
  8. Misfit101

    Misfit101 New Member

    In medicine have improved mortality rates as well. Genetics play a part. We don't die from common things like diarrhea anymore because we know how to treat it now. Hard to believe people used to die from something like dehydration from diarrhea. Just an example of how far we've come. Thank ynu so much for this post! My daughter feeds my 14 month old grandson almost exclusively organic. One thing in particular is a milk that is packaged in a box. Doesnt require refrigeration. Maybe they know something I don't. Wouldnt surprise me since I have a lot to learn. Im sure going to give her a "heads up" on this one. Its frightening. What happened to the "Made in the USA" campaign anyway? I get that things are cheaper from China. Im just tired of purchasing them. Alternatives arent always available.
  9. victoria

    victoria New Member

    milk in a box is aseptically packaged... so it doesn't require refrigeration until opened. In that aspect, it is safe. Supposedly the container is safe and I'd think better than a can in any case, things have been sold this way for a long time now - from milk to tomato sauce to juice. I personally prefer things in glass or fresh, but that's often harder to get.

    all the best,

  10. quanked

    quanked Member

    thanks for the detail form procaps. I sometimes (often) do not have the patience or vision to read through the endless babble on some sites.

    What happend to what, when, where, who and why I wonder.

    I have not heard yet from procaps. Interestingly, the email I sent Andrew Lessman (there is an invitation to email him on their website as he is the owner) was returned or should I say that I got an error message (24 hours after I sent it). Usually I get these kinds of errors immediately.

    Your right about organic--it is a selling point and I do not see any company passing up any selling points. I doubt that their products are organic.

    I suppose that I am going to have to begin the search for a good organic, Chinese ingredient free, quality vitamin. I think you indicated that you have a source in Canada. I do not think I want to pay those prices.

    My husband is working in Edmonton and he tells me that prices are pretty high compared to here. I already think the prices here are too high : )

    I was shopping for groceries last night. I found myself cringing at the idea of Chinese indredients being part of the products I placed in my cart. I bought some peanuts sold my a company with the word "international" in it.

    There needs to be a movement occur that creates labeling laws that informs the buyer about where the ingredients are from.

    I would rather no laws be created and that food manufacturerers be responsible and and honest. Some ideals die hard.

  11. quanked

    quanked Member

    as possible. However, the supplements I buy are not cheap. I like value. I am willing to pay more to get quality (if I can afford it) but I do not want to be fleeced, so to speak. I think that ProCaps may not be all it claims to be.

    I buy cheap when cheap does not matter. I can buy a pool toy for a buck at the dollar store or pay 6 or 7 at Freddy's--for just about the same thing. The toy will be lucky to last a season. I can also get a loaf of bread for less than a dollar but I would rather pay, and do pay, 4 or 5 for organic whole grain and some substance.

    I do not know what or who is trustworthy anymore. I have seen companies that appeared to be honest, customer oriented that only asked for a reasonable profit only to learn later that all of the great public appearance was simply that--appearance.

    Yes, my husband is working in Edmonton, Alberta. He has been there for about a month. Neither of us know much about Canada.

    However, several years ago I looked into an apprencticeship program in Edmondton and was extremely impressed with its mission, goals, training program and how it was written out. Nothing like that exists here in the states--at least not the western states or the mid-west.

    So far I have learned that groceries and other things cost more in Canada than here--that the Canadian post operates very differently than the United states Postal Service and that Canadians take lots of holidays.

    We entertain the idea of moving to Canada. I just don't know if I could take the cold of Edmonton. It gets cold here too but not as cold or as long. It used to though. But I used to be younger and healthier too. I think British Columbia would be more tolerable. I liked Vancouver when I was there over 20 years ago. Very green and lush it was. Reminded me of Portland and Seattle.

    We do not have any state sales tax here either and we love it. I think there are only 2 other states that do not have a sales tax.

    What is IMO--is this a brand of vitamins?

  12. quanked

    quanked Member

    This is the response i received to my question about ingredients from china as well as my response to their response.

    Thank you for contacting ProCaps Laboratories! We appreciate your interest in our products. The sources in which we receive the raw ingredients are subject to change based on availability and product. However, you can rest assured that all our ingredients have undergone stringent testing to eliminate any risk of contamination. Our raw ingredients undergo substantial testing both by our suppliers and ourselves to provide the highest quality of standards.

    We hope you find this information helpful. For more information, please contact our Customer Care Center at 800.800.1200 to speak with our knowledgeable Vitamin Specialists. Our hours of operation are Monday-Friday from 5am-9pm and Saturday-Sunday from 6am-6pm (PST).

    Best of Health,
    Jennifer Cuozzo
    Ms. Cuozzo,

    No, your response is not helpful. You did not (and I suspect deliberately so) answer my very specific question. DO YOU GET AND USE ANY OF YOUR INDREDIENTS IN YOUR PRODUCTS FROM CHINA?

    I would like a direct and clear answer to my question as I do use Procaps vitamins. I believe that I have the right to know what I am swallowing (and where it comes from) and taking into my body.

    I AM NOT resting assured.

  13. munch1958

    munch1958 Member


    It's all shocking -- many of these companies were bought out by BIG FOOD.

    I do like the Cornucopia Institute reports on soy, infant formula and organic dairy too:

  14. quanked

    quanked Member

    It was addressed to me--I just removed the personal stuff before pasting it here.

    Did you say that you purchase organic vitamins that are made with ingredients not from China? If so, what is the name of the brand?

    I need to begin a search for a product with quality indredients not from China.

    Somewhere along the line, since contracting CFIDS, I began taking vitamins. I am not sure why but I think it is important to keep doing so.