pain meds stopped working

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by 312542, May 12, 2012.

  1. 312542

    312542 Member

    Why is that? I take morphine sulfate and percocet for break through pain. Any ideas why, I feel as if I take nothing at all? The pain is just terrible.Please help!!!!!!
  2. SCAP

    SCAP New Member

    Hi,
    I went thru that, it depends how long you have bee non those meds, and how often you take them,
    when that happened to me I had to cal my doctor and she raised the strength of my doseage , I was on pain meds 24/7 for 12 years
    I had to up the doseage from a 5/500....to a 7.5/500......to a
    10/300..... so this happens ,if your doctor ups the dose it will work like
    it did in the begining, it took about 7 years before I needed it raised,so
    dont worry, they can help you
    GOOD luck
    hope this helped
  3. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    When we take pain meds, the body makes more pain to try to grab our attention. We usually need to increase our meds over time. Pain serves an important function in most cases but our pain doesn't serve us like normal pain. Still, the more meds we take, the louder the pain will scream. Pain, for us, is a nonsensical spiral. 'Tis the nature of our illnesses. Sometimes, adding a different drug will accomplish relief without having to increase our main pain med. See a pain specialist, if you are not already doing this, to see what can be done. There are some non-drug treatments which can help ease some of the pain. Good luck to you.

    Love, Mikie
  4. ILoveGreen

    ILoveGreen New Member

    Sometimes the hardest thing to do is to think outside of the box (or the Rx bottle in our case). When I "hit bottom" with excrutiating overall body pain and/or migraines and my meds don't seem to be doing a thing for me, I try doing ANYthing else I can think of...walking, stretching, yoga, talking to a friend, a nice hotpack, taking a hot bath, eating, not eating, drinking a gallon of water, taking extra doses of minerals, getting a massage, seeing my chiro, literally ANYthing to SHOCK my body out of the pain cycle. If nothing works, I become a hermit and go to bed until I feel better if for no other reason than I can't stand myself. Sometimes just being stress-free and shutting out the rest of the world does wonders. Usuallly a few days in bed does me a world of good and I've come to regard it as a necessary part of my self-care. If I don't make myself STOP and rest, the pain just gets worse, so to that extent, if the pain gets any worse it is in my hands, in my control.
    In the end I think it's worth it to try not to keep increasing the dosage of the pain meds. I try to consider my doc's position too. She is being monitored closely by the DEA, even for low-dosage patients like me. Sometimes it's hard to see the docs' perspective when we're in a lot of pain. I know I mentioned that I'd been breaking my Percocet in half and that I noticed I was running out well before the end of the month so I had to start saving them and "planning" around how many I had left and what activities I could commit to. She said, well, why didn't you tell me you needed to increase your dose? I never thought of it that way, because I didn't WANT to increase my dose, I just wanted a few more pills/month. For me, I would like to think that when I move to a more arid climate I won't need any pain meds, or at least only on a rare occasion.
    I understand we are all unique with individual differences and all, but it's always good to be able to have more than one way to deal with whatever life throws at us just in case...Good luck, and I hope you are able to learn some new coping methods to "trick" your mind, if even for a few minutes a day. It's a refreshing change to get outside of your head once in awhile.
  5. lvjesus

    lvjesus Member

    with ILoveGreen about the "tricking". I am not sure if I have used it with pain or not, but I have used it with fatigue to a surprisingly good result. If I am fatigued, say at work, if I get up and move around, talk to some one, etc, I will feel better. I find this happens too if I visit with friends or family. Anything I go to visit family, etc, if I can engage in conversation, I find that by the time I leave I feel much much better.
    Sonya
  6. FaithHopeCure

    FaithHopeCure New Member

    Pain meds were never intended to be used for extended periods at a time which is why Dr.s have to switch to another pain med when the body builds up a tolerance. A good pain mgt Dr will keep changing meds to keep the body from developing a dependence.

    Ideally, you will want to taper down to the lowest dose of pain meds possible. These meds are very hard on the liver and the body will become more dependent on them. At my worse, I was on high doses of OxyContin and demerol shots for breakthrough pain. Now I no longer take any prescription meds on a daily basis.

    I was experiencing a lot more pain when I used prescription pain meds. Also, prescription meds deplete your vitamins, minerals and your appetite. So be sure to use your supplements!

    Pain meds are a band aide while supplements will help make changes in our bodies to manage pain better. I wish you the best in your search for the right dosage and wellness plan....
  7. Saoirse3

    Saoirse3 Member

    More narcotics are NOT the answer. I am NO expert and don't pretend to be, but I was on Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Cymbalta, Vioxx, and a lot of others that aren't even on the market. Did it help my pain? It gave me drug-induced hepatitis, weight gain, gall bladder disease and nerve damage. Upping the pain meds is like signing your own death certificate.

    The best thing you could do for your body is to give it what it needs to heal. Natural supplements and therapies DO work. Good food, good nutrition, healing herbs, de-stressing techniques like meditation, stretching, aromatherapy are what your body wants and NEEDS. Not more narcotics. And we are here for you as well!

    Soft hugs,
    Stacey
  8. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    I went to the Guaifenesin treatment to get off my morphine and Vicodin. It isn't an easy treatment but I didn't want to live a life on the pain pill merry-go-round.

    I also used tricks to fool my pain but our kind of pain is always in the background and it grinds a person down if not addressed. Physical therapy helped me a lot. Good luck.

    Love, Mikie
  9. rosemarie

    rosemarie Member

    I am taking pain meds becasue I can't afford nor am I sure that going on so many supplements are going to ease my pain enough to where I can cope with the pain.

    Each of us are different in how we react to our fibro, some of us have other condtitions, I have end-stage oesteoarhtis in both knee's, when I walk they squeak like an old screen door and it feels like some thing is rattleing around in my joints. I also have bulging discs in my back, L4-L5, L5-S1 and they cause siactia and darn it that really hurts. I have a titaium plate and 6 screws in my left wrist due to a kluty's fall. { I tripped over a side walk}.

    I would love to have a massage, acupuncture, and other non traditoinal methods to ease pain but sadly found that my insurance does not pay for long tern vists to Phyical therapy and chiropractors,{}sorry for bad spelling}My insurnace does not pay for long term chiropractor's visit's or long term Phyical therapy.

    I have in the past and am still continueing to reduce my doseage of Msconitin and Hydromophone. I have done quite well on my own. Less than 4 yrs ago I was taking 4 100 mg mscontin a day and I now take 2 60 mgs of Msccontin and have reduced them on my own, I found that I didn't need to take so many pills in a day or I would forget to take them, so why spend the money for meds I am not useing. I also have a doctor who would reather I take the least doesage possiable and not increase my dosage.


    I have a hard time with new meds. I am one who reacts to different meds and get the strange side effcts that no one hear's of.
    My new goal is to try to go to water arobic's at theso I don't set off a flare, gym more often, to try and work out more but not over do it, I will go slowly,


    I don't want any one to think that I dont' support those who have chosen to not use pain meds, and have found other things that help them. It is just me that I am talking about, it is my insurance or lack of it that does not pay for things that may help me with pain, and I do hope that one day I will be on the losest dosage of pain meds possiable to still beable to do the things I enjoy and want to do.
    Bless you all and may you each find your own way to live with fibro.
    Rosemarie
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  10. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Each of us has to find whatever works for us. I will always be grateful for the morphine and Vicodin which made life more bearable when I first got so sick. I chose to go a different route but for some, opiates help the most. I pray every day for all of us and hope whatever routes we choose, they will help us.

    Love, Mikie
  11. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    Mikie, that's a very good way of describing the pain meds. I have asked my Dr. several times if I can stop taking the meds that I'm on. The 2 main ones are Percocet and Methadone. However, I only take 20 mgs. of Methadone twice a day, adding up to 40 mg a day, and Percocet forgot mgs. but it's 1/2 twice a day as needed and I do not take them anymore.......shhhhh! But my Dr. just will NOT let me stop the 40 mgs. of Methadone a day. I can't stop that one because he does ramdom drug tests to make sure it's in our bodies lol!

    I feel like you do; I have been taking meds for a long time now; Fibro and Facet Joint Syndrome in the lumbar area of the spine. He gives me those two meds along with meloxicam which I believe makes me feel better more than anything.

    I may try the tricks; just might work; thank you for your Post!

    BlueSky555
  12. MicheleK

    MicheleK Member

    I am sorry you are suffering so much. Breakthrough pain requires adding some other form of pain med or switching you to a completely different one. That is up to your doctor to decide what he thinks is best and for you to let him know.

    We get breakthrough or increased pain because the opiate receptors in our brains get desentisized over time or die out while we take opiates. It then takes more of the pain medications to create dopamine which helps lower pain levels.

    It may seem that your body is making more pain but actually it is that the body is making less dopamine so you feel more pain.

    Taking Vitamin C or eating oranges and grapefruits have been shown to naturally help produce endorphin levels naturally. Chocolate also helps but if you have inflammatory issues, be aware that the sugar can have an inflammatory effect.

    There are no easy answers to what you are dealing with which is why you need to visit your doctor. If you don't have a pain specialist you may want to consider getting one. They are more educated on pain, it's causes and the best drugs to use as well as what to do with breakthrough pain.

    Many of us have pain issues so we feel much empathy what you are currently experiencing. Please let us know how you are doing and what kind of help you found to resolve this problem. That information may be useful to someone else down the line. Thank you for sharing here. Hugs to you.
  13. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    I was reading your post again and the word "sugar" just HIT me, lol! You said that Chocolate helps but if you have inflammatory issues, be aware that the SUGAR can have an inflammatory effect.

    That's it!!!! Thank you so much! I am getting toooo much sugar in my diet. I'm not sure but I think my body is full of inflammation. As I stated previously, I am on Meloxicam/Mobic and I stopped taking it for over 2 weeks and I thought my body was going to melt to the floor; you know, like the wicked witch of the West? So I began the Meloxicam again and I got the relief that I had previously had.

    I was having coffee, with sugar, pre-sweetened cereal every morning, sweetened tea, 85% chocolate bar which wasnt too bad, more afternoon coffee, with sugar, more tea, and 2 ice creams at night. If it's the sugar, no wonder I'm in so much pain. By the way, I'm not a heavy person; normal weight is around 120 lbs.

    Again, thank you so much for bringing this to my attention; I need to cut down at first, and eventually have just a little bit each day.

    Have a wonderful day MicheleK! Hugs back at ya!

    BlueSky
  14. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    I would like to know the same thing jaminhealth. I see a pain specialist/anestheseologist (sp) and he just will not let me stop the Methadone. I have asked sever times and he says no, that I'm not on a large amount and that I need it, just like a person with high blood pressure meds needs blood pressure med. Oh well, 40 mgs. isn't much anyway so I suppose I will stay on it; after all, with the injections he gives me, I probably wouldn't be able to function at all without the injection. Also, I have not even thought about taking any otc meds because of the Methadone. I may try some kind of arthritis med and see if it helps. Heck, I have degenerative disc disease, which probably includes lots of arthritis pain anyway.

    Thank you jaminhealth and I hope you have a wonderful day!

    BlueSky
  15. liz56

    liz56 Member

    I take pain meds and I know for me, I couldn't function without them, If I miss a dose I know it!

    I used to take Codeine Con-tin but they stopped working for me so my pain doc put me on Morphine Sulf 75mg.I also take Tylenol#3's for that pain the med doesn't get, I think that is what you mean by Break-thru Pain?

    I wish for you all a *pain-less* day XX




  16. daveswife

    daveswife New Member

    I started off taking one 50mg Tramadol with 2 xtra strength Tylenol every now and then for pain. Then moved to two 50mg Tramadol with 2 extra strength Tylenol. In December I was put on simvastatin for high cholesterol. I had terrible muscle weakness. The same month my brother was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer. I had the worst bout of Fibro I had ever had and had to take the 100mg Tramadol and Tylenol 3 times a day. Stopped the Simvastatin in January and saw a tremendous improvement in my muscles. No more pain meds. Did a LOT of yard work in March - felt good. Then in April I had to start back on the pain meds. I have taken Tramadol every day for the past two months. My rheumatologist added Flexeril in May and just recently added Gabapentin. So now I am taking 100mg Tramadol with 2 Extra strength Tylenol 3 times a day, Flexeril 2 to 3 times a day, and 100mg Gabapentin 3 times a day. I also take B-Complex, Ubiquinol (CoQ-10), and Vitamin E. And I'm still hurting!!! I desperately need to get a part-time job but how when I hurt just to move. What can I do to get some relief? I am already taking 90mg Cymbalta a day for Bipolar disorder and 112mcg Synthroid for hypothyroidism. I am 55 years old. Is this pain EVER going to go away? Today I am having pains run down my arms and legs even with the pain meds. I used to get a "warm fuzzy burst of energy" relief from the pain when I took the Tramadol but no more. What else can I do???
  17. Allen

    Allen Member

    First....you may need to have a new or another evaluation by your rheumatolist. Assume you go to a rheumy??? Second, must see pain doctor.
    Perhaps your meds need to be changed especially cause meds some times stop working or lose their effectiveness.
    All the best,
    Allen
  18. Jokerette

    Jokerette New Member

    First, a hot bath. Doesn't need to be for long: in fact by the time the bath is full, I turn it off and get out. This usually kills the pain for 45 minutes or so.

    When unable to take a bath (and this may sound weird) I pace. As I said before, I'm mostly bed-bound so I can only do bedroom-bathroom trips. I keep a close count on laps, and have found 9 to be about perfect (your mileage may vary.)

    The pacing I use when I very first awaken way too early (can't tolerate a bath then.) All I want is to catch another couple hours of sleep. The pacing actually does two things: wears me out, AND for some reason breaks the pain cycle.
  19. Jokerette

    Jokerette New Member

    Decided to quit the sleeping meds first. So I researched, came up with St. John's Wort. Took one dose (powdered stuff.) Hospital 1 hour later for colitis. Rare for me, I was also vomiting. Usually just pain, diarrhea.

    I too am not in good financial shape (will be in another month or two.) Can't afford to just try all the suppliments mentioned. (Lord, a TON of them I've read about here!)

    Maybe if there was something strictly for pain/muscles I could afford to try just that. So if you guys had to depend on just one or two of the supplements listed, what would they be?