Shar6710 bumped up a post by -ouch- recently about the slapped cheek syndrome and for me it was very timely. The story is: sorry rambling but do have points in here somewhere. Since my oldest son has been ill, I have been trying to address health issues pre-emptively for the rest of the family. I knew that I would be stressed beyond all recognition so started using a womens formula multi and have been manageing fairly well. However upon adding in different supplements I have noticed that I seem to be creating a die-off effect. Sort of experimenting on myself with the things that we're trying to help Jordan. Some things are not 100% since my MG but for me 'normal'. Evidently my body had created a balance of sorts that allowed me to function and now I am messing with it. In a positive way I hope. I have noticed that taking probiotics and Threelac causes my upper sinuses to ache and burn as well as a sinus headache. I began to have upper neck and tense shoulder pain. Same thing with garlic. And have been getting tired more easily. Also slightly bloated and constipated with lower abdominal pain. So I can sympathize if this is how Jordan and you all feel all the time only more so, OMG. And I try to be careful about giving him the probiotics and other anti-viral stuff staggered out so as not to cause these types of symptoms to be extreme on top of everything else he is suffering. I have been on warfarin for years since a DVT so decided to try the enzymes to clean the blood and also the grapeseed extract. Since then I've had the major vein in my leg swelling up in different places, painful to touch and red on the outside in that area. Feels like its being roto-rootered. I am being careful with using the warfarin and other blood thinning supplements. By the way, its the other leg that had the clot. I also have some knee joint pain swelling regularly and the anti-virals supplements Vineyard Blend takes that away for the day. Lisapetrison had questioned something about more people actually living with a mild form of CFS and not knowing it. Which brings me to the slapped cheek/Parvovirus. I am trying to be more attentive to the complaints of my youngest son. He just turned 10. He has been mentioning lately more and more different and vague symptoms. Recently he has complained of bladder pain, and did not test positive for a UTI. And my doc says boys don't usually get these. At one time he was wetting himself at school and did have a UTI. So since this was the second or third time he had him do an xray and came back nothing, so I suspect cystitis. His favorite food is pasta so we've cut that way down. And sugar. He also has a hereditary noctural enuresis from his fathers side. Anyway, he has put on quite a bit of weight the last few years and can't really tell why. He is very active and eats more fruits and veggies than the rest of us. But we all used to participate in "SAD" American diet. So now I begin to suspect candida with him as well. So he is also taking the occasional probiotic. But when I gave him Threelac recently, he immediately complained of upper sinus pain and headache and indigestion. And funnily had an instant sugar craving. He has been on antibiotics recently and over the course of his life. He is just getting over sinus infection and bronchitus. Tryed it again the next day, same thing. Then Friday he is complaining of extremely dry feeling skin, itchy and slightly painful. Cheeks are red looking and hot feeling when I kiss him goodnight. So I think he is having detox through his skin. But then I read the slapped cheek Parvovirus B19 and wonder if that isn't maybe it instead. Since the rash presents after the 'cold symptoms'. But the red cheeks had cleared up by the time he woke up. Don't think Jordan got tested for the Parvovirus. Or we could just have a sick house. Erikmoldwarrior and others posting about hidden molds in your house. The previous owner also put out a lot of those pestiside bait stations for ants and rats etc. under and around the house. It has also been treated for termites. Both my sons have gotten this way since we moved here 2 1/2 years ago. Jordan however showed some pre-disposition before that in hindsight. So I will be watching and documenting my youngest more carefully now and not just assuming its the usual stuff. We will be moving soon, this month, so we'll see if anyone shows any improvement after that. Sorry this is probably quite disjointed and can't tell myself if I'm making sense. This is probably the only quiet time I'll have all day as usual, so trying to get my rambling thoughts out. Normals aren't normal. Better day to everyone!