progressive exercise seems downright humane next to this

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by victoria, May 3, 2010.

  1. victoria

    victoria New Member

    NOTE: mANWWITHfIBRO BUMPED THIS UP from my origiinal ost in 2005, SOMEHOW i ACCIDENTALLY HIT DELETE FOR THE WHOLE THREAD WHICH i DID NOT MEAN TO DO -

    LUCKILY i WAS ABLE TO BACK UP AND STILL SEE IT ON MY COMPUTER, SO COPIED IT AND REPOSTING IT, FOR THE SAKE OF POSTERITY... or is that posteriority? I also did not mean to just type all in caps, I am having to use a tiny netbook right now, giving me problems since I can only use 3 fingers...

    victoria
    4/18/05 11:29 AM progressive exercise seems downright humane next to this

    Let's hope this idea doesn't spread to "cure" us of our pain and fatigue. I can't believe this is true, in fact I'd like to believe it's a hoax,

    but have found several references to it on the web, that say they originally found it at NY Times and/or BBC:

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    Russian scientists at the Novosibirsk Institute of Medicine are claiming a beating on the naked buttocks with a cane is the perfect way to cure everything from depression to alcoholism.

    The researchers say caning releases endorphins, the body's natural 'happy chemicals', and that leads to feelings of euphoria, a reduction of appetite, the release of sex hormones and an enhancement of the immune response, and they have a similar effect on pain as drugs such as morphine and codeine, but do not lead to addiction or dependence.

    Biologist Dr Sergei Speransky who led the research claims corporal punishment, similar to that doled out regularly in British schools in the last century, helps people overcome addiction and depression. He confirms he is not a sadist even though he recommends caning and says the treatment works. A standard treatment course entails 30 sessions with 60 of the best, delivered on the buttocks by a person of average build.

    Dr Marina Chuhrova who also took part in preparing the report said she had 10 patients she caned regularly and though initially "they didn't like it, when they started to feel the benefits they kept asking for more."

    The Russian team says they are now charging for the caning sessions and are getting over U.S.$ 100 per patient for a standard treatment. ------------- Tell me this is a hoax, this is downright WEIRD!

    Victoria

    PS was tempted to put that "certain" icon next to this, but refrained. . .

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    NyroFan
    4/18/05 11:41 AM Victoria

    Victoria: I would be suspicious of any person who can make such claims. I would be less wary if they picked one disorder, but it seems like they are casting a wide net. Personally, I don't believe a word of it. And 'caning' of all things! I am sure that if there is a word of truth in this story that there are other options rather than a cane. Outrageous. NyroFan

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    victoria
    4/18/05 11:48 AM don't worry

    Most of me is laughing, but part of me gets worried, there are so many ludicrous things proposed, altho this one takes the cake.

    Caning, gee, just like taking an aspirin. . .

    (choke, sputter) V

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    tansy
    4/18/05 12:03 PM The irony is

    in an increasing number of European countries even smacking a child is no longer deemed acceptable, and this includes the UK. As for it preventing addiction, what balloney! I have watched plenty of ex-independent (fee paying) school males who regularly got the cane at school getting addicted to drugs, alcohol, or suffer from depression.

    Sometimes I wonder how those who think in obscure ways like this ever get to hold such influential posts. Then I look at the likes of Simon Wessely in the UK, and realise it must be cos there's a lot of gullible people out there who have lost touch with reality and good old fashioned common sense.

    love, Tansy

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    victoria
    4/18/05 12:19 PM Tansy

    exactly my point in posting this!

    Thanks for the added input!

    V

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    ckahele
    4/18/05 1:00 PM what the???

    does the person doing the caning wear black leather? how did the research in this area even get started? what's the saying, 'truth is stranger than fiction'.

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    LindaH
    4/18/05 3:37 PM Sounds to me like

    These two may be getting their "jollies" with this. Too strange for me. I consider them and their patients a little on the wacky side.

    Linda

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    pinkgirl
    4/18/05 5:59 PM $100!!!

    I can think of a lot better ways to spend that kind of money than on a spanking...

    This has to be one of the strangest things I have ever heard! In Singapore it's a punishment, in Russia it's a pleasure....

    People are so weird!

    PS I HAD to use that icon

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    victoria
    4/18/05 6:20 PM read another article about this

    here's another article, with some info the first article mixed - it gets more and more unbelievable. Hopefully that guy in the UK doesn't hear about this. . .

    --- Whipping Therapy Cures Depression You may think that this is a parody piece from the Onion, but if you did you'd be wrong. Pravda reports on a sensational report made an international conference devoted to new methods of treatment and rehabilitation in narcology.

    The report was called "Methods of Painful Impact to Treat Addictive Behavior."

    Article: Siberian scientists believe that addiction to alcohol and narcotics, as well as depression, suicidal thoughts and psychosomatic diseases occur when an individual loses his or her interest in life. The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the "production of happiness" and eventually remove depressive feelings.

    Russian scientists recommend the following course of the whipping therapy: 30 sessions of 60 whips on the buttocks in every procedure. A group of drug addicts volunteered to test the new method of treatment: the results can be described as good and excellent.

    Doctor of Biological Sciences, Sergei Speransky, is a very well known figure in Novosibirsk. The doctor became one of the authors of the shocking whipping therapy. The professor used the self-flagellation method to cure his own depression; he also recovered from two heart attacks with the help of physical tortures too.

    "The whipping therapy becomes much more efficient when a patients receives the punishment from a person of the opposite sex. The effect is astounding: the patient starts seeing only brightcolors in the surrounding world, the heartache disappears, although it will take a certain time for the buttocks to heal, of course," Sergei Speransky told the Izvestia newspaper.

    The whipping therapy has not become a new discovery in the history of medicine. Tibetan monks widely used it for medical purposes too. Soviet specialists used a special method of torturing therapy at mental hospitals. They made injections of brimstone and peach oil mixture to inspire mentally unbalanced patience with a will to live. A patient would suffer from horrible pain in the body after such an injection, but he or she would change their attitude to life for the better afterwards.

    "People might probably think of me as a masochist," Dr. Speransky said. "But I can assure you that I am not a classic masochist at all," he added.

    The revolutionary method may take the Russian healthcare to a whole new level. The method is cheap and highly efficient, as its authors assure."

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    annie4life
    4/18/05 6:32 PM victoria progressive exercise seems downright humane nex

    well........years before when i was experiencing excruciating shoulder pain now one of my first symptoms besides tmj of having fibro ....my husband would try to massage my shoulders but it just seemed to irritate me and make me feel worse because it didn't feel better, frustration i guess.

    i am no way into s and m as this type of act or practice seems to depict. the pain was so bad and very very deep in my shoulders that i asked my husband to bite instead of massage and what you explained as endorphan release i experienced because it was a different kind of pain that distracted me from the chronic pain and seemingly made the pain subside. it actually took the edge off. it didn't last long but it gave me some relief. think about how you bite your finger when you have pain, stitches, childbirth, etc.

    when i went to "the many" doctors who knew nothing of fibro i explained this reaction to them and got the look...when i finally found a good doctor and told him he understood.

    strange as it sounds just remember all the strange symptoms we experience and don't dare tell anyone because of the stigma it might cause us.............it worked and when i was desperate, at my wits ends the only worry i had was if i was in an accident and someone saw the marks.

    it took alot for me to write this as i rarely post ...but for as much as we wish the medical profession would listen and learn about our varied complaints and conditions don't dismiss what one might learn from information such as the info you posted. one of these days a cure might come from something so out of the norm, it would be a shame that all possibilities be excused because it was something considered abscure or "out there" it would be a shame to ignore a possible link to something that ignites the spark that gets the mind thinking and the wheels turning......

    we are all a piece of the puzzle. what we have had to go thru to prove our plight has been distressful and unrealistic. who would have thought the medical profession would ignore us, write us off and classify us under all the "trash can" terms that devaluate us. describe us as unreliable, malingers, hypochondriacs and depressed people. we're still here and we are still fighting. to go thru what we have against all odds and opposition proves the strength thats lies within. the cause is out here and we will prevail to find a cure or solution. sincerely debi
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    victoria
    4/18/05 6:58 PM Hi Debi

    I understand the point you're making. I know when my husband has muscle spasms in his shoulders and I lean into them hard with my elbow for a short period of time and then release, it really helps him, even tho it really hurts him while I'm pressing.

    But. . . I'm not too sure about that russian therapy being in the same vein, seems quite excessive especially since he talks about having to let the buttocks heal! The first rule for doctors was supposed to be, "Do No Harm"; this seems like it would be opening the door for it.

    Especially when he talks about it being even more successful if someone of the opposite sex does it. That is why it just seems like it gets weirder and weirder.

    IMO some of these people may have gotten better because of fear, actually, of having to have more sessions. . .

    Victoria

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    foxglove9922
    4/19/05 7:51 AM Desperation

    The uncertain nature of many illnesses including the ones we suffer from have brought on a varity of unconventional treatments. We all must be wary and research what is in our best interests.

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    Victoria
    4/19/05 8:54 AM yes,

    Ralph - apparently this 'study' was just released last month, so no further studies yet. (Awww?)

    Hey Foxglove, but -- they have "scientific proof" it works, lol. Can't argue with hard science. . . (choke).

    I can't imagine a repeat study being held here like that, unless it is in private "clinics" lol, could just see some enterprising person holding this study up as a way to make $$ and convincing some to try it. Some people will believe anything.

    While it may release endorphins, surely there has to be a better way to do it? - like chocolate for chocoholics...

    V

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    pinkgirl
    4/19/05 8:38 PM Does this mean...

    That S&M sex workers can now become licensed therapist?

    Sorry, had to ask!

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    LittleBluestem
    4/20/05 7:25 PM So What Kind of Masochist is He?

    Dr. Speransky assures us that he is not a classic masochist, so I'm wonder just what kind of masochist he is.

    P.S. If you remove the 'er' and second 's' from his name, it become Spanky. Are you sure this wasn't published on April 1?

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    sunflowergirl
    4/20/05 7:38 PM What the heck is going on in Europe????????

    I just responded to one Tansy had put up about treatment in England. This is just all too weird for me.

    I just have to add one thing. I just heard recently that the atheist, Madelyn Murray O'hare, had written over 2,000 times in her journals......"I wish someone out there would love me". I think that tells a lot. Now people are lining up to be whipped. This is a real psychological problem leading back to growing up with the wrong parents.

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    jgavi
    4/20/05 9:13 PM releases endorphins, it works!

    First off the story is very odd but when you release endorphins it will make us all feel great!

    Spanking can release endorphins for some...

    Exercise, watching your favorite football team playing a game, betting on something, watching a scary movie, these any many more trigger the endorphins but "spanking" wouldnt do it for me!

    I do have a friend though who gets her endorphins moving by crying...she can cry at anything sad and than feel better!

    Anything that rids the pain away for any amount of time is ok by me!

    jgavi

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    Victoria
    4/20/05 9:33 PM LittleBlueStem- hehe -

    I realized the same thing, and did carefully check to make sure this wasn't an April Fools Joke.

    Actually first heard about it Dr. Wm Campbell Douglass' e-newsletter published the 18th or 17th, can't remember which, and double-checked it on the net. First published in March actually. Appears legit, unbelievably!

    Tears do release toxins. I don't like crying, but I DO feel better afterwards. . . but not something i want to do or would pay to do.

    all the best, Victoria

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    Manwithfibro
    5/2/10 10:45 PM Rhythmic spanking

    A PT told me once that you can start spanking lightly but with rythmic spanks and gradually get a little firmer. After awhile, the endorphins will be released and you will feel great. I was reluctant to try it but having tried painful deep tissue and painful myofascial release, I decided what the heck. She started for about 10-15 mins with real light, rythmic spanks. After that, she started to spank harder, not in an overly painful way, and each slap started to feel really good. My endorphins were being released and at end of session, felt more relaxed than I have ever felt from any other type of PT. The only downside was once endorphin rush ended, my backside was sore for a day or two. Definitely different but no crazier than deep tissue. Try it sometime. You can always say "stop".
    Good luck Percussive Spanking features consistent, rapid, rhythmic and light to medium weight spanks that increase in intensity very gradually over a long period of time. This technique can and usually does result in the bottom experiencing a condition called "subspace" (definition of subspace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace_%28BDSM%29). Trance music is often used during a PS which furthers the disassociation of the mind from the body to allow it to "fly". Basic holotropic breathing techniques are taught and employed in a PS to further the deepening of subspace. There is typically no pain during a PS, the spanks are so light they are often felt as more of a vigorous skin massage. Much aftercare is needed and provided after a PS, as the bottom is often disoriented and in a deep meditative state by the time the session is complete.

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    aussiewoman
    5/3/10 12:40 AM Is it any surprise

    that Russian physicians aren't allowed to practice here unless they have the YEARS of training and upgrading necessary to attain "North American Norms"?

    Its really really hard to get. Their medical education is so substandard as to be pretty much useless. Many - if not most - go on to do other non-medical related jobs. The mountain is too high for them to climb. I know a Russian doctor who ended up owning a second-hand store, and a Russian dentist (his name was Boris) who did as well!

    I don't think you will see this shyte indexed on Pubmed.

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  2. victoria

    victoria New Member

    I'm surprised you found this post from so long ago.

    I'mjust curious... did you find enough relief from it to do it on a regular basis? Can you pr your therapist give us any research?

    Really, often reality is stranger than fiction...

    all the best,
    Victoria