PVlady - Dr Chia

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  1. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

    pvlady

    i just came across an old post of yours about Dr Chia in CA.

    you mentioned that you know someone who got better from Dr Chia.

    i was wondering if you had a little more info about this person - like how long they were sick for, and how there treatment went, how long it is, etc...

    i am thinking about trying to see him, and would love a little more insight.

    thanks
    bill
    [This Message was Edited on 06/22/2006]
  2. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

  3. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

    for PVlady
  4. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

  5. PVLady

    PVLady New Member

    Dr Chia is an infectious disease specialist who has a special interest in CFS.

    The person I spoke to told me he is so good, that all the doctors in town go to him. She said she had one experience when she went to him and he knew she infection from a bad tooth. He gave her a very large dose of antibiotics. He told her most doctors don't give you enough antibiotic to kill the infection.

    I know he has published articles in medical journals in CFS etc. - you may be able to find one with a web search.

    I would call his office and ask questions, and see if you feel he is the doctor for you. I have just heard very good things about him and the treatment of CFS.
    His phone is:

    Dr. Chia

    Torrance, CA

    Phone (310) 784-5880

    Let me know what you find out.


    I found the info below mentioning Dr. Chia. It is a discussion forum on CFS I and copying here for you to read. Dr. Chia is involved in the CFS Research Center. The exerpt of his paper below looks very technical, for other doctors to understand... Bottom line though is, he is interested in treating CFS and actively researching the illness.

    FORUM:


    I'm excited by the recent paper "The role of enterovirus in chronic fatigue syndrome"
    (appending abstract below to make it easier for people to know what I'm talking about).

    Anyone ever tested and/or treated for enteroviruses?
    Attend Dr. Chia?


    From: ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia Information Exchange Forum [mailto:CO-CURE@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU] On Behalf Of Maggie Wallace
    Sent: 29 October 2005 12:21
    To: CO-CURE@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
    Subject: [CO-CURE] MED: The role of enterovirus in chronic fatigue syndrome

    http://jcp.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/58/11/1126?ct

    Journal of Clinical Pathology 2005;58:1126-1132; doi:10.1136/jcp.2004.020255 C 2005 by BMJ Publishing Group Ltd & Association of Clinical Pathologists

    REVIEW
    The role of enterovirus in chronic fatigue syndrome
    J K S Chia

    Correspondence to:
    Dr J K S Chia
    CEI Research Center, 23560 Crenshaw Blvd 101, Torrance, CA 90505, USA; Chiasann@pol.net


    ABSTRACT
    Two and a half decades after coining of the term chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), the diagnosis of this illness is still symptom based and the aetiology remains elusive. Enteroviruses are well known causes of acute respiratory and gastrointestinal infections, with tropism for the central nervous system, muscles, and heart. Initial reports of chronic enteroviral infections causing debilitating symptoms in patients with CFS were met with skeptism, and had been largely forgotten for the past decade. Observations from in vitro experiments and from animal models clearly established a state of chronic persistence through the formation of double stranded RNA, similar to findings reported in muscle biopsies of patients with CFS. Recent evidence not only confirmed the earlier studies, but also clarified the pathogenic role of viral RNA through antiviral treatment. This review summarises the available experimental and clinical evidence that supports the role of enterovirus in chronic fatigue syndrome.

    Abbreviations: CFS, chronic fatigue syndrome; CVB, group B coxsackievirus; HHV-6, human herpesvirus 6; PBMC, peripheral blood mononuclear cells; PCR, polymerase chain reaction; RT, reverse transcription

    Keywords: enterovirus; chronic fatigue syndrome; double stranded RNA; viral persistence

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    tk
    Regular Member
    Posted 07 January 2006 04:00 PM
    [Dr. Chia is involved in the CFS Research Foundation http://www.cfsrf.com Gene Expression Research]

    DISCUSSION


    Taken together, these data suggest that enterovirus can initiate and perpetuate the immunological response often seen in patients with CFS. Smouldering viral infection of various cells of the body with continuous expression of double stranded RNA and viral antigens could result in a chronic inflammatory state in the local tissues and account for the diverse symptoms reported by these patients. The mechanism of viral persistence reconciles the two seemingly opposing observations of the past two decades: absence of live virion in chronically infected patients and animals and the finding of enteroviral RNA in the blood or other tissues. The finding of double stranded RNA is consistent with the clinical symptoms of patients with CFS. Without forming double stranded RNA, our patients with HIV or hepatitis B/C infections are usually not symptomatic, even though the measurable viraemia often exceeds 104–106/ ml. In contrast, patients with CFS and the presence of viral RNA in peripheral blood leucocytes or in tissues, but without true viraemia, have debilitating symptoms; the severity of the symptoms correlated with the frequency of finding enteroviral RNA in the peripheral blood leucocytes (J Chia and A Chia. Detection of double-stranded RNA in the peripheral blood leukocytes of patients with the chronic fatigue syndrome. Abstract T-101. In: Program of the 104th General Meeting for the American Society of Microbiology. New Orleans: Louisiana, 2004). In most of the patients with CFS, the cyclic nature of low grade febrile illness and severe exacerbation after physical activity would be consistent with a cyclical pattern in the viral replicative activity.

    It is probable that viral RNA found inside cells, in a stable double stranded form, can dissociate and replicate using viral RNA replicase; some of the positive strands, although restricted in replication,51 are translated to viral proteins during active metabolic states (for instance, exercise), which subsequently perpetuates the immunological response, including but not limited to synthesis of specific neutralising antibody. Consistent with this hypothesis, a recent study on Sjo¨gren’s syndrome clearly detected enteroviral RNA and VP1 protein in minor salivary gland biopsies from these patients, but not in controls.52 From the available data in the literature, however, it is not possible to exclude with complete certainty the possibility that a few virions are actually formed and sequestered in membrane vesicles within the infected human cells.

    Among other immunostimulatory effects, double stranded
    RNA is a potent inducer of interferon synthesis, which activates intracellular RNase, with resultant degradation of excessive single stranded RNA. The finding of a higher level of RNase L activity in the mononuclear cells of patients with CFS is consistent with this paradigm.53 54 However, enough positive and negative strands probably recombine to form stable double stranded RNAs, which are resistant to RNAse L inactivation, and the life cycle will start again when the pressure of the immune response decreases. Ironically, the continuing inflammatory response towards persistently infected cells/tissues to halt viral infection may be partially responsible for the difficulty in finding viral genomes in these patients, and may also be responsible for the symptoms.

    Self replicating double stranded RNA molecules (replicons)
    have been well studied and are currently used as vectors for DNA vaccines and drug susceptibility assays.55 56 Double stranded RNAs can be extremely potent adjuvants for immune responses or, alternatively, these molecules with certain sequences may silence our genes by blocking our mRNA,57 although the evidence for this last mechanism is not yet available for CFS.


    ‘‘Ironically, the continuing inflammatory response towards persistently infected cells/tissues to halt viral infection may be partially responsible for the difficulty in finding viral genomes in these patients, and may also be responsible for the symptoms’’


    The paradox remains, however, that despite an ongoing
    immune response, these viral RNA infected cells are not eradicated. It is possible that viruses hide in long living, immunologically privileged cells, including but not limited to, macrophages, muscles, myocardial cells, and neurones,28–37 although these cells are unable to produce much live viruses, perhaps, in part, because of the pressure from local interferon and high concentrations of neutralising antibody—a form of cryptic infection. Viral antigen has been identified in tissues by virus specific monoclonal antibodies but positive staining did not allow the differentiation between membrane bound viral proteins and sequestered virions.58 59 Persistent infection of B cells and monocytes/macrophages, the cells initially responsible for the uptake/transport of virus, has been well described for other intracellular pathogens.60 Recently, we have found enteroviral RNA in the bone marrow samples of two patients with CFS and cyclic neutropenia (JK Chia, unpublished observation, 2004), suggesting that stem cells in the bone marrow could be a source of ongoing viral infection, as reported in animal models of enteroviral infection.59

    Thus, renewed interest is needed to study further the role of enterovirus as the causative agent of CFS. Many aspects of this research need to be addressed but there are three urgent priorities. (1) To overcome the technical difficulties associated with the enteroviral RNA detection assay, because a reliable and reproducible measurement of cell associated viral RNA will provide a marker for antiviral treatment and provide conclusive evidence of chronic infection. (2) To perform a proof of concept, randomised, double blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial investigating the efficacy of the combination of interferon a and c. (3) To develop inhibitors for viral RNA replicase, the main mechanism for RNA replication, which allows the persistence of the viral genome in infected cells. In the future, a well designed, randomised, controlled trial of antiviral treatment will ultimately provide crucial information on the pathogenic role of enterovirus in patients with CFS and other chronic diseases.

    ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
    The laboratory work was supported by the Chu-Lee Tu memorial research fund.



    Take home messages

    N A severe flu-like illness occurs in most cases of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), suggesting that an infection triggers and possibly perpetuates this syndrome

    N Common viral infections and unusual causes of CFS
    could be diagnosed based on the details of the initial
    flu-like illness, if present, epidemiological history, and early virological testing

    N Different laboratories from Europe and recently from
    the USA have found enteroviral RNA in the tissues,
    including peripheral blood mononuclear cells and
    muscles, of patients with CFS

    N Viral persistence through the formation of stable
    double stranded RNA reconciles the two opposing
    observations of the past two decades: (1) the absence
    of live virion in chronically infected patients and
    animals and (2) the presence of enteroviral RNA in
    the blood or other tissues

    N Smouldering viral infection of various cells with
    continuous expression of double stranded RNA and
    viral antigens could result in a chronic inflammatory
    state in the local tissues, accounting for the diverse
    symptoms

    N Interferon a and c act synergistically against enterovirus
    in vitro, and preliminary studies suggest that this
    combination may be an effective treatment for patients
    with chronic enteroviral infection
    Posts: 34 | Registered: 03 April 2005

    CarmelRob
    Regular Member
    Posted 24 March 2006 06:34 PM
    Three years ago when I contracted CFS, I had a whole battery of tests performed. Here were some microbiology tests that came back positive:

    Viral infection:
    Enteroviruses-
    Coxsackie B Type 4
    Coxsackie B Type 5

    Other virus-
    Parvovirus B19

    Bacterial infection:
    Bartonella Henselae(Cat Scratch Fever)
    Mycoplasma Pneumoniae

    Anyone ever hear of any success with these specific anti-viral medications?

    Specfic Anti-virals:
    Vitrasert, Cytovene(ganciclovir)
    Famvir(famciclovir)
    Valtrex(valacyclovir)
    Zovirax(acyclovir)
    I heard Zovirax is good for Enteroviruses.

    tk, thanks always for your informative posts. Are you aware of any specific infections that you might have?
    Posts: 79 | Registered: 26 November 2005

    tk
    Regular Member
    Posted 24 March 2006 08:29 PM
    Hi CarmelRob,

    Afraid don't know what infection or infections I might have. Got ill first when 16 but not tested at the time. Only viral test I think I had was for "Glandular Fever" (probably an Epstein Barr test) when 21 which was negative. But does feel like a virus.

    Tom
    Posts: 34 | Registered: 03 April 2005

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  8. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

    thanks so much for the reply, and those other postings.

    i have an appt. to see him in August, i will let you know how it goes.

    was the lady with the tooth infection the same lady that he cured of CFS?

    if so, do you know how he cured her CFS? was the cause of her CFS the tooth infection?

    thanks
    bill
  9. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

  10. PVLady

    PVLady New Member

    Did you have to wait ubtil August to get an appt.? He must be busy
    I might see him myself.
    The lady I talked to was a stranger sitting next to me at Torrance Memorial. I have the impression the tooth problem was a separate issue.
    She is now working and travels a lot in her job.
    I did try to find out exactly what Dr Chia did and she just said a lot of things including anti-virals.
    I had to let it go at that point.
    I think when you find any reputable doctor devoting himself to research CFS its great.
    I do know he has a excellent reputation.
    I may call his office also.

  11. winsomme

    winsomme New Member

    i think they are actually booking late into September, but they also do get cancellations.

    let me know how it goes.

    thanks
    bill