Question on CoQ10 and Dr. Cheney’s protocol?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by ladude, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. ladude

    ladude New Member


    Did I miss it or does anyone know if he includes COQ10 in things to use or to avoid do to energy and damage control?

    Just received the new Cheney DVD, noticed some interesting points specifically, he does not suggest NAC or glutathione unless it is in the whey protein, wow.

    Also he says using anything to increase energy and/or oxygen should be done with caution. Although he does highly recommend Hawthorne for the heart.

    Currently overwhelmed with EEG’s, echocardiograms, cardiologists and finding the energy to eat let alone forcing my drained brain to listen intently to hours of an intense medical lecture.

    Before I stock up on ANOTHER vitamin –curious if anyone has any input.

    Your input will hep with the age-old question, buy a house or stop taking vitamins?

    What do ya say gang....


    Help me Obe-won - kanobe

    LAdude
  2. Fudge43

    Fudge43 New Member

    LAdude .. thank you for the laughs when I watched the penguin video .. too funny ! .. and your profile is a certain giggle snort ! haha
    Not to get off topic .. but I enjoyed the entertainement

    Heart issues and CoQ10 .. all of the material I have researched has been positive about the benefits of taking it for heart conditions .. I haven't read specifics with Cheney .. quite frankly, I haven't read Cheney at all.

    I take 200mgs CoQ1 with 1000mgs extended vit C and a good B complex in the morning .. I have read CoQ10 works more efficiantly in tandem with these supplements ..

    I have MVP and a possible blockage for which I have finally consented to have an angiogram .. next Thursday .. shaking in my boots right now ! Yikes .. but these things have to be sorted ... ugh !

    Good luck .. keep the comedian a live inside ! .. it will get you through a lot of stress garbage !
    Joy : )
  3. ladude

    ladude New Member

    You are very welcome; I find the penguin funny no matter how many times I look at it, makes me glad to hear you got a laugh or two.

    Thanks for the input regarding coQ10 with B and C, seems logical.

    I am just re-evaluating everything I know about CFIDS now after what I have been through this past month, so I thought I’d throw out the question about CoQ10 just in case someone picked up something in the Cheney video that I missed.

    Let me know how the angiogram goes next week, sounds scary but I think it is common, but will still be praying for you.

    Take care
    Ladude
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  4. Fudge43

    Fudge43 New Member

    LAdude .. I try to be as proactive as possible .. have tried a lot of supplements .. edged into the pricey ones as well .. we all have a little "hope" tucked away in us don't we ? haha
    Yes .. that penguin ... I keep laughing too !!
    We have to keep a sense of humor through this .. isn't there a lot of research backing the benefits of laughter ? : )
    The B complex can be a bit tricky .. I think I might have picked up headaches from that so I cut down on the days I take it .. but the CoQ10 and C is a good combo .. I'm on that one daily ... especially before this scary date with the doctor ! haha
    In any case .. I hope you have luck finding the right combination for yourself ! keep trying !
    Joy : )
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  5. Rosiebud

    Rosiebud New Member

    I take CoQ10 too and swear by it, 120 mg a day plus a B Complex and some other supplements.

    They are expensive but I think they help a lot. Dr Sarah Myhill, a specialist in M.E./CFS in UK advises the use of CoQ10.

    I get mine from the States as they are even more expensive in UK.

    Rosie
  6. ladude

    ladude New Member


    Based on what I interpreted in the video or read I suspected CoQ10 could potentially be a prob. This is just a clip from the article "the heart of the matter" on page 18, right after the section "Super Oxide - Out of Control" it talks about this…ie taking too much CoQ10
    http://www.dfwcfids.org/medical/cheney/hrt04lng.htm


    "Coenzyme Q10 is one and Lipoic Acid is another"

    "CoQ10 within the mitochondria and Lipoic Acid in the cytoplasm bind excess superoxide so that it’s unavailable to couple with nitric oxide to produce peroxynitrite. Taking sufficient CoQ10, under certain redox state conditions, would allow you to make more energy and not get creamed with peroxynitrite. [Redox will be discussed in another article.]

    But if you keep raising CoQ10 in an inappropriate redox state you may actually generate more superoxide, and that’s when the CoQ10 bites you. [Some patients who cannot tolerate CoQ10 find that its analogue, Idebenone, works better.]"

    There, I think I mostly answered my own question. – except what is “inappropriate redox state”

    Hope this helps.

    It does.

    Thanks.

    No problem.

    Take care,
    LAdude
  7. Fudge43

    Fudge43 New Member

    LAdude .. how will we know if we are in the overflow state ? .. and it seems everyone is catching the boat on more CoQ10 .. I can see over usage as a problem .. but is it when we feel unwell or how do we tell before it gets to that state ?
    I take 200mgs ... which sounds reasonable to me compared to some dosages .. any suggestions ?
    Thanks !
    Joy : )
  8. Rosiebud

    Rosiebud New Member

    I'm wondering what that is too?? Whats a safe amount to take??

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    Rosie
  9. ladude

    ladude New Member

    Sorry I wish I had the answer

    “Inappropriate redox state” Looked it up, it is a chemistry term, has several definitions but don't have the time now to explore.

    Got the info from the link I mentioned.

    Side note I've heard sublingual is best, so I crush the soft gel in my mouth and let it sit there a while, wonder if this is better or worse......?

    Off to see a cardiologist now so gotta rush...easily.

    Confused in LAdude land as well.
  10. Slayadragon

    Slayadragon New Member

    I've been taking 250 mg CoQ10 for about a month. Previously I was taking about 30 mg.

    I took 300 mg for several days and thought it helped a lot, but then could only get 250 mg pills. I think I may need more and am going to experiment with going up.

    I'm experimenting with a lot of things right now though, and so am hesitant to attribute any gain (or non-gain) to anything at this time....