Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Sharon, Apr 17, 2008.

  1. Bambi

    Bambi New Member

    I was going on not being able to get help from friends and family by a friend in Florida. Before her husband died he was on SSDI and she was able to work only a few hours on the weekends. Had she worked any more or made any more $$ it would have been deducted from his checks. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXThen when he died and before she got on herselfshe was told she could only accept certain kinds of help ie: food stamps, Medicade (or whatever their state medical program is) etc..but not help with most other things like money for rent, car payment etc from family or friends.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXAt the time it sounded like it was almost wanting people to sneak help in order to prevent them from being able to wait out the long wait to get a judgement in a person's favor for benefits. I personally was told I could go on my husband's work record IF he ended up on SSDI himself..but wouldn't get a full benefit amount like he would get. The rules and all are VERY confusing, especially to those of us who may have "fog" problems etc.. And when I hear of people who just got their benefits FINALLY after 4 or 5 YEARS it is mind boggling to me how they survived it all! Bambi
  2. skippy007

    skippy007 New Member

    This is a long statement but really informative. Please read.

    Statement of Colleen M. Kelley, President, National Treasury Employees Union,
    To the House Committee on Ways and Means
    April 23, 2008
    Good morning Chairman Rangel, Ranking Member McCrery and Members of the Committee on Ways and Means. My name is Colleen M. Kelley and I am National President of the National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU). NTEU represents over 150,000 federal employees in 31 agencies. Among them are the nine hundred Attorney-Advisers and other staff members in approximately 110 Office of Disability Adjudication and Review (ODAR) Hearing and Regional Offices across the United States. Our union has long been troubled by the unacceptable backlog of cases before ODAR and believes that prompt congressional action is needed to resolve this crisis in service to the American public, particularly those disabled Americans applying for earned social insurance benefits.
    Disability adjudication at SSA has a long and troubled history. The current problems with the SSA disability program began in the early 1990s when the cases pending at OHA hearing offices rose from approximately 180,000 in 1991 to approximately 550,000 in mid-1995. Currently over 750,000 cases are pending at ODAR hearing offices and processing times in 85% of all hearing offices are in excess of one year. However, a quick review of the history of the number of cases pending at ODAR demonstrates that the backlog problem is not altogether intractable.

    The number of cases pending at OHA hearing offices declined from 1995 through 1999, and in fact by the end of FY 1999 there was no longer a backlog, since 300,000 cases was deemed to be the optimum number of pending cases for efficient adjudication. The decline in pending during that time period is the direct result of the over 220,000 decisions produced by initiatives included in the Short Term Disability Program (STDP), the vast majority of which were produced by Senior Attorneys. The Hearing Process Improvement program (HPI) ended the Senior Attorney Program. The demise of the Senior Attorney Program and the rise of the backlog were not coincidental and are illustrative of the management deficiencies that have plagued the disability program.

    Over 750,000 cases are currently pending at ODAR hearing offices. This translates into an average processing time of 510 days at ODAR. Even this is somewhat misleading. Currently, the average processing time for a case that proceeds through an ALJ hearing decision is 553 days. In the Chicago Region the average processing time through an ALJ hearing decision is 727 days; 3 days short of two years. Even these unconscionable numbers do not include the time the case was at the State Agency for an initial and reconsideration determination. To further darken the picture is the specter of significantly increased receipts resulting from the aging “baby boomers” and the less than robust national economy. Unless decisive action is taken now, the dysfunction of the disability system may lead to the public’s loss of faith in Social Security.

    The salient fact about the current SSA disability adjudication process is that it is unconscionably slow causing untold harm to some of the most vulnerable members of society. None will dispute that the public deserves far better service than SSA is presently providing. The current situation is both a failure of adequate funding and of proper planning and management.

    Additional resources are very much needed as well as a reform of an inefficient adjudicatory process characterized by an insufficient number of adjudicators and the misuse of those adjudicators. Requiring an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) to adjudicate each and every case at ODAR hearing offices is grossly inefficient and extremely expensive. Many cases (dismissals, fully favorable on-the-record cases, and requested closed period cases) can be disposed of without ALJ involvement.

    Given the underfunding of the agency, SSA is under an absolute duty to use what funding it has as efficiently as possible. This year Congress has provided greater funding, and SSA has decided to use part of that increase to hire 175 new Administrative Law Judges; unfortunately, SSA has not seen fit to provide adequate staff to support these new ALJs. Recently, SSA conducted the largest hiring of ALJs (135 ALJs) in this nation’s history, and intends to hire at least 40 more ALJs before the end of the fiscal year. Certainly, the hiring of such a large number of new adjudicators will have an impact on SSA’s disability backlog. However, the number of support staff for ALJs in ODAR was critically low before the recent hiring. While it is not altogether clear how many additional support staff SSA intends to hire this year, even the most optimistic projections (143) are grossly inadequate. Hearing offices were critically understaffed before the acquisition of as many as 135 new ALJs (and 40 more to be added this fiscal year) and are in far worse position now.

    In his recent response to questions from the House Appropriations Committee, the Honorable Ronald G. Bernoski, President of the Association of Administrative Law Judges, stated that a judge could not perform his/her work in isolation and the support of sufficient competent and trained staff is essential. He further indicated that adequate staff included 2.5 attorneys and 2.0 clericals for each ALJ. While hiring a large number of new ALJs “looks good”, unless they and the current ALJs are properly supported, a reasonable return for the expenses incurred simply will not happen.

    Without sufficient staff, SSA cannot prepare enough cases to fill the dockets of the ALJs or timely prepare and issue the written decisions. More ALJs without more staff will mean even more unfilled dockets, decreased ALJ productivity and wasted SSA assets. It is prudent, if nothing else, to use remaining funds to hire the necessary staff to make current ALJs productive.

    No doubt part of the reluctance to properly staff ODAR hearing offices is the Administration’s commitment to “contracting out” many inherently governmental activities. Additionally, the Agency places a great deal of emphasis on the benefits of automation in improving Agency operations. The GAO Report of December 2007 reported that many SSA senior managers and ALJs recommended a staffing ratio of 5.25 support staff to administrative law judge. It also indicated that the recommended staffing ratio could change as SSA implemented planned automation initiatives intended to improve the hearing process and increase efficiency. In many instances this emphasis on automation may well be justified, but in other areas experience has shown its relative merits are questionable. Automation may improve the situation over time, but the fact of the matter is that SSA automation initiatives rarely, if ever, come in on time, and even more rarely deliver what was promised.

    SSA is also committing funds to establishing “National Hearing Centers”. The first is already operational in Falls Church, VA; the Commissioner recently announced a second to be situated in Albuquerque, NM, a city that already has a hearing office. It is not clear what operational efficiencies are achieved through the establishment of these adjudicating entities that are not already and better served at hearing offices. Certainly the capacity for conducting video-conference hearings already exists in nearly every current hearing office to facilitate conducting remote hearings and for adjudicating temporary excess workloads. The centralized nature of National Hearing Centers will alienate the public and further damage the Agency’s credibility. For more than seventy years SSA has strived to maintain face-to-face contact at the local level with the public it serves. This is one of the factors that separate SSA from the majority of federal agencies. National Hearing Centers would significantly weaken the bond between SSA and the public it serves.

    The advent of the electronic hearing folders facilitates movement of cases to other hearing offices as easily as to a National Hearing Center. There is no operational justification for the establishment of such centers. Moreover, their unique staffing structure emphasizes the Agency’s commitment to achieving its political goals over providing high quality service to the public.

    Interestingly enough, in addition to hiring new ALJs, SSA has already commenced a program that if properly implemented will eliminate the backlog. Commissioner Astrue has reinstituted a version of the old Senior Attorney Program that was responsible for eliminating the disability backlog in the 1990’s. Not surprisingly, the current program, the Attorney Adjudicator Program, is proving to be a success in spite of some ill-founded limitations. However, since its commencement, improvements have been authorized and its scope expanded. Nonetheless, it is this program with further modifications and additions that shows the way to an adjudicatory process at ODAR that is both effective and fiscally responsible.

    Judge Bernoski has noted on numerous occasions the necessity of reducing the number of cases that proceed to an ALJ hearing. In his response to questions from the Appropriation Committee he stated, “Social Security can no longer have over 90% of its disability cases continuing on to a full hearing before an administrative law judge.” Judge Bernoski further stated “nowhere in our judicial system is a judge required to take to hearing such a high percentage of cases compared to the total docket.” NTEU absolutely concurs.

    The simple fact of the matter is that neither a hearing nor an ALJ is needed to dispose of every case. By relieving ALJs of the responsibility for adjudicating cases which do not require an ALJ, the ability of ALJs to focus on those cases requiring their expertise can be enhanced. That is the rationale behind the Attorney Adjudicator Program.

    Attorney Adjudicators, who have limited decisional authority, augmenting the ALJ corps constitute an effective and fiscally responsible adjudicative process. The one area of controversy involving the former Senior Attorney Program, decisional accuracy, is not a problem with the current program. Initial accuracy figures for the Attorney Adjudicator Program show an accuracy rate of 95%.

    Experience has demonstrated that between 25-40 % of claims appealed to ODAR hearing offices could result in fully favorable decisions without an ALJ hearing. Additionally, 15-17% of cases appealed to hearing offices are dismissed, many because of abandonment by the claimant or technical defects. Very few of these cases require ALJ involvement. Such dismissals should be handled by Attorney Adjudicators thereby freeing the ALJ to adjudicate cases requiring an ALJ decision. Consequently, 40-50% of appeals to ODAR can potentially be adjudicated without the involvement of an ALJ.

    The success of the former Senior Attorney Program in eliminating the backlog of the 1990’s and the very favorable beginning of the current Attorney Adjudicator Program render arguing the merits of the concept of attorney adjudication unnecessary. Management has recently announced a significant increase in the number of Senior Attorneys that will further increase the capacity of the current Attorney Adjudicator Program.

    Nonetheless, despite the promise of the Attorney Adjudicator Program, the current crisis is of such magnitude that additional changes are required if SSA is to get control of the backlog problem within an acceptable timeframe. Recently, the Agency announced an increase in the number of Senior Attorneys to 450; a net increase of 81 positions. However, the time allocated to case adjudication is typically 25% or less. At this rate, the Agency expects approximately 30,000 fully favorable adjudications this fiscal year. While this may temporarily stem the increase in the pending cases, its long term effect, even considering the augmentation of the ALJ Corps to 1,250 ALJs, will not eliminate the backlog.

    By increasing the number of Senior Attorneys to 700 and permitting them to spend 50% of their time reviewing every disability case appealed to ODAR and adjudicating the 40-50% of cases that do not require ALJ participation, SSA can immediately reduce its pending cases by well over 100,000 cases a year in spite of the increased receipts expected.

    The Attorney Adjudicator Program does involve decreasing the availability of the attorney advisers for their traditional role of drafting ALJ decisions. However, several other efficiencies are promoted by the Attorney Adjudicator Program. Attorney Adjudicators work on “unpulled” or “unassembled” files. Those that result in fully favorable decisions do not have to be “pulled”. The benefit from not having to “pull” these cases cannot be overstated. Today there are approximately 442,000 cases pending pulling; a workload that will require over 200 days to complete if no new cases were received by ODAR during that 200 days. Most ALJs will not hold hearings on “unpulled” cases and ODAR’s difficulty pulling sufficient cases to maintain ALJ dockets is a significant factor in the creation and maintenance of the current backlog. Each disposition by an attorney adjudicator is one less case that must be pulled.

    Attorney Adjudicators would continue to draft ALJ decisions in addition to handling their own adjudicatory dockets. Skilled decision drafting remains a vital component of the ALJ adjudicatory process. Retaining ODAR’s most skilled staff to perform that duty is essential if ODAR is to continue to produce quality decisions. Assigning decision making duties to attorneys whose primary duty now is to advise ALJs and draft decisions is obviously going to result in a decrease in decision drafting capacity. SSA now has the assets to hire an additional 200 attorneys to maintain sufficient decision drafting capacity and 100 additional technical staff to process the increased number of decisions. Even considering the cost of the promotions of current employees consistent with their new duties, the total expense is far less than that involved with hiring the massive number of ALJs and the staff that would otherwise be necessary to support the ALJs.

    In addition to increasing the number of attorney adjudicators, small procedural adjustments would further enhance operational efficiency. Currently, Attorney Adjudicators may conduct pre-hearing conferences. Currently they can issue interrogatories to secure vocational and medical expert input. Often this is all that is required to perfect the record and allow for a fully favorable decision. While written interrogatories significantly expand the number of cases for which Attorney Adjudicators can issue fully favorable decisions, they can be cumbersome and time consuming. ODAR should authorize the attendance of medical and vocational experts at the pre-hearing conference thereby increasing decisional accuracy while decreasing processing time.

    If the current Attorney Adjudicator Program is expanded as detailed above, ODAR attorneys could dispose of 100,000 fully favorable decisions and dismissals or more each year, while still spending nearly half their time drafting ALJ decisions and advising ALJs. These cases would not require the expenditure of any ALJ resources and would involve relatively little staff time. This would allow the Agency to commit a greater amount of its resources to the cases that required ALJ adjudication.

    Let me also address the situation with OFEDRO. SSA has suspended further expansion of the Office of Federal Reviewing Officer (OFEDRO). OFEDRO has the potential to meaningfully help with the disability determination backlog if properly implemented. If SSA intends to resume hiring of new staff for FEDRO, it should give preference to the existing, high qualified and experienced staff at ODAR. In order to recruit the best and brightest staff for any expansion of the program, it should provide relocation allowances for all new hires recruited from elsewhere in the agency. This is a common recruitment tool in the federal sector for highly qualified professionals and has been underused by the agency.

    Mr. Chairman, I thank you for this opportunity to present NTEU’s statement on this important matter. NTEU remains ready to work with the Ways and Means Committee to do all that we can to address the crisis in the disability determination backlog. Thank you.
  3. snlittlered

    snlittlered New Member

    I haven't worked for 7 years now. I've been seeing doctors for years now and just found out on Tuesday that I have fibromyalgia. The letter I get from ss every years use to show my disability info but now it doesn't show it. Can I still file for ss disability?
  4. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    IF......I get approved, how many months of backpay should I receive? I stopped working in April, 2005, and applied for SSDI in July, 2005. As of April, 2008, it has been 3 years and still counting. Will I have any kind of waiting period?

    Thank you,

  5. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member

    Not sure if this is correct. (Please check with the yahoo group disinissues as they are experts).

    You have a 6 month waiting period from the date they find you disabled. If your medical records are in order, I would think that they would use six months from July 2005 so your first month that you would be eligible to be paid is Dec 2005 to now. This is as long as you did not let your original, July 05, application expire.

    Now if your medical records do not show disability until a later date, then they will use that later date.

    NOW, somewhere I saw that they may only be paying 12 months of backpay now so I am not sure if that is true. When I got my disability, they went back about 1.5 years for me.

    With Medicare, it is a little different, you have a two year waiting period from date of disability (again, assuming they use July 05) which means that you should be able to get right on Medicare as soon as you are approved.

    Please verify this at disinissues as they are really a great group. I only have experience with 1 case, mine.

  6. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    Hello Marti,

    Thank you so much for the information. I didnt realize that there was a six month waiting period. I haven't checked out the disinissues at this time but I will take a look later.

    I do appreciate you responding to my question. There is probably not a right or wrong answer; it may just depend on each case but thank you.

  7. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member

    Don't wait to apply. Apply as soon as you can. Then there is a 6 month waiting period. I didn't get paid from the day I was diabled, I got backpay from the first day of the sixth month after my disability date (that they determined).

    So apply first.

  8. momof27

    momof27 New Member

  9. Emily8859

    Emily8859 New Member

    you can earn around $900 per month I think. I filed in Decemeber of 2007 and have been denied, and appealed, but have not heard from my appeal. Did anyone have a funtion assessment done?
  10. rperdue

    rperdue New Member

    I have not been able to work in our business since Feb 08. I am still seeing Doctors. I was told today that I have CFS because my of my symptoms and my Esptein-Barr levels are very high. My question is when can I file for disability? I still have to see a Rheumatologist and a pain management doctor. I have no insurance and I do not qualify for any government programs. Meanwhile the bills are piling up (Doctor and medicine)and our business is going under. Can anyone help me or let me know what I should be doing?

  11. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member

    See if there is a county program - some of them allow you to work, not sure how your business would count in that.

    I would ask SS. If you file now, then you will be paid from the first day of the sixth month that they found you disabled.

    At this point, using Feb 08 as your disability date, it would be August 1st. That would be the earliest date. Not sure they work that quickly. Also, Medicare would be a two year wait which is what you need the most.

    They will most likely want some documentation and some history before they would approve you but the earlier you file, the more backpay you will qualify for. (once you are past the the six month waiting period).

    Also, I believe they want to see 12 months where you are not getting better.

    Also, don't let your application expire.

    Please consider joining disinissues. It is a yahoo group and they are a great bunch of folks that have experience at this.

    Also, the company Allsup helps people and they can answer some questions before you sign up with them. They only take a certain amount (not a percentage) determined by SS. It used to be $5300.

    Best of luck to you,
  12. Sunrise2780

    Sunrise2780 New Member

    Social Security Coalition

    <b>PLZZZZZ</b> go to this site (founder-Linda Fullerton - fought for her benefits & won. She is <u>not</u> an atty nor is her site advertising)

    <a href="http://groups.msn.com/SocialSecurityDisabilityCoalition">http://groups.msn.com/SocialSecurityDisabilityCoalition</a>

    All the info you probably need, incl support from others. Site continuously updates.
  13. ckzim

    ckzim New Member

    Hi Everyone,
    What I wanted to know, is if anyone is currently working, while collecting disablity?

    I've heard of this program for the disabled, about working while on Disablity. "Right to Work" ticket, I think they call it?

    I have heard sooo many horror stories about this program, like people who have been going back to school, loosing benifits, because if they can sit in a class room, they can work.

    Or even taking a part time job, SSD tells them, if you can work... reguardless how long or how much...you will loose benifits.

    Has anyone had any experinece with this?

    I would really like to try...part-time somewhere... I would not be able to handle everyday..8 hours...

    but maybe 3 or 4 hours a day...every other day...as working will put me in the bed for the next day...which I would be willing to suffer,

    but to loose my SSD insurance, to cover my meds, etc...scares me right back to not working.

    I know what the website on this says...I just simply do not trust the gov't in anything they say or do...too many loopholes for them to go through that we would know about.

    Thanks ahead of time for any personal experince you might have.


  14. BlueSky555

    BlueSky555 New Member

    How many impairments would be needed to receive a fully favorable decision? I was just curious because I think I have 2 of them and possibly more but I may not find out until I attend the ALJ Hearing, which of course, has not been scheduled.

    Thanks in advance for any responses.

  15. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member


    What a great letter! Thanks for a great post!

    Wow, no wonder your brain is fried. That was a lot of brain power. Thank you. I already have my disability but you never know if I may need that in the future for a review.

    Regarding what you posted: "they said I *might* be able to get a copy from my local social security office. I haven't gone yet so I am not sure how they will respond to that request but will post on it when I go. I strongly recommend you copy/paste the questions and answers to a separate document so you know what you said as you will be questioned on your answers by different people throughout the process.

    I was never able to get a copy of my application (I did it in person, not online). I never pushed because I needed/wanted a helpful representative. I felt a reluctance to get what I responded, so you suggestion to keep a copy is a very good idea.

    I know you got fried but I would like to respectfully disagree with the need for a n attorney. Most of the time, you have to do the same amount of work anyway - they can't answer those questions for you. My suggestion is to do the paperwork and file on your own first. SSDI have to give you some kind of answer within 60 days. If you get denied, then use Allsup or an attorney. But if your file is good, and the medical stuff is there, then you may just get approved. I got approved in that way which was shocking to me but I sure was able to use that $5300 myself. Just a thought.

  16. buttercakes

    buttercakes New Member

    I was diagnosed with Fm about 6 years ago, I had EBV in 94 and was not treated for it , (my doc. said it just needs to run its course)I have been sick for years. In 8/07 I was bit by a tick, I had the full blown rash and symptoms that go with lyme
    disease, and eventually tested positive using the western blot,
    even CDC positive, which I understand doesent happen very often. I also have radiculopathy in c6 of my neck in which I have been getting Nerve block injections every 3 months.
    My neck issue causes me to have migraine head aches, pain down my whole arm to the point that it causes terrible pain when I use it. (when it is flaired up)My neurologist is not very supportive. My question is with out complete support of my lyme doc and neurologist would I stand a chance of getting SSDI? any info would be helpful, Thanks Sandie
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    [This Message was Edited on 07/04/2008]
  17. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member

    Hi Sandie,
    The SSDI is based on time/treatments. Basically, they want to know if Drs attempted treatments which have not enabled you to return to a reasonable or expected level of activity and that this reduced level of activity would continue for 12 months.

    It could be from one impairment. Some people with a long list of issues may get denied if none of the impairments reduces activity levels for 12 months.

    I did not have support from any of my Doctors but my medical trail showed confirmation of diagnosis and a trail of ineffective treatments. So, I think (and I am no expert) the key is to make sure your medical record shows how debilitating the migraines are and the inability to use your arm when in a flare.

    I think that we don't file because we believe that Doctors have to support our claim. I do not believe that is true (but I may be wrong). It is the decision of the SS office whether we are disabled, they review Doctors notes in terms of diagnosis and treatments. I have heard of people getting denied even though they had their doctors support.

    Most doctors won't get involved as they do not get paid to write reports, they don't even enter in the list of complaints each visit. Just doing that would take up the whole visit.

    Some doctors feel offended that we request help as if they are paying us directly out of their pockets. Sigh....

    Would Physical Therapy help to document the loss of mobility and range of motion, also weakness of hand, etc. What about using the Department of Rehabilitive Services to help you document your issues? Just brainstorming.

    You would have to make sure to protect yourself from harm from an over-zealous therapist so no additional harm is done to you.


  18. buttercakes

    buttercakes New Member

    Thanks so much for answering me, I feel Im at a desprite point right now. My lyme doc has just put me off work for 6 weeks to start, But I had to ask him to do so. I think he might have been mad at me for asking. I dont know how to make him understand. The 6 weeks will allow me to rest up, but it wont cure my lyme or the neck problem, so if I go back to work, it will only be a short time before another flair up comes, than Im back in the same situation again. Marti, What is the department of rehabilitive services? Sandie
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  19. marti_zavala

    marti_zavala Member

    The Department of Assistive & Rehabilitative Services is a office that is supposed to help people get back to work if they have had an injury or illness. They may get you a special chair so you can sit longer at work or a new pair of eyeglasses, special shoes if you have foot issues. They will assess your current state of health and send you to a psychologist or other doctors. They found that I was too unstable to hold down a job so I was refused services. I believe this helped me with my disability case.

    Here is what I posted (on the first page of this thread). I live in Texas so replace .tx. with your state. If you can't find it for your state, google it. I knew I would not be able to work but I had to do that to get in. And actually, I was hoping that maybe they would send me to better doctors and help me get back to a higher level of functionality so that I could return to work. I don't know how this would work if you are already working though.

    Lastly, don't be afraid to change doctors. If he is not helping you, move on. Unfortunately we have to go through a lot of doctors before we find one that will attempt to help us.


    - I registered with the Dept of Assistive & Rehabilitative Services. I insisted that I wanted to work (which I did - and still do!) I was accepted as a client, then I was sent for various evaluations to determine my limitations and abilities. Their doctors determined that I was not a
    good candidate for work - the money they would spend to help me work from home or have a special accommodations at a job would be wasted, as I would get too sick too soon. I was scheduled for a test of my physical ability. As it turned out, my SSDI claim was approved the week before I
    was supposed to go in for the testing, but I made sure that they knew my mom was coming in from out of town to care for me and my son after I crashed, since I knew I would. I requested that the testing be done over several days, but they refused. I made a big deal about that. I can't be sure, but perhaps the fact that I was willing to do the test but concerned about the post-exertion fatigue would have helped support my case if it hadn't already been approved.

    Here is the website for my state, maybe you could cut and paste then change the tx to the abbreviation for your state and then hit go or enter.

    - If you get referred to a psychologist, ask to be sent to a neuro-psychologist. The one I was sent to did the usual mental interview plus the IQ tests. She also did the hand grip test. I think this was a big key in approval of my disability claim. It proved weakness in my upper arms.
  20. buttercakes

    buttercakes New Member

    Thanks for all the info, I am going try to find a more supportive doctor. Sandie