Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by painterZ, Sep 19, 2008.

  1. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    Hopefully I now have your full attention. I'm very upset that so many of you have not replied to "fight4acure"'s post entitled "Senate Bill 1738/Child Protection Act". This is an extremely important post and find it very confusing that so many individuals whom I have found to be kind and supportive have not replied. I am curious as to why that is. "Therealmadscientist" put forth his question of the final outcome of this bill if it passes. I honor his opinion and questions and applaude him for posting. I'd love to know why others are not getting involved or even posting. I ask that you PLEASE read "fight"'s post and just let us know you've at least read it.

    Having been a victim of child abuse and dealing with an ex-husband who is a cyber-predator it's easy to see I'm passionate about this subject but please don't wait until something happens to you or a family member because believe me you will fight an up-hill battle that we don't have the laws or people needed to fight this battle and win for every child. We need YOUR involvement and help.

    Think about this...


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  2. Gingareeree

    Gingareeree New Member

    Ken Salazar from Colo. Thanks for the reminder! Jeanne
  3. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    You're assuming that people who haven't responded to your posts are doing nothing. That's incorrect. I HATE being bugged by politicans at election time who treat you like you are mindless and can't act for yourself and they're reminding you to vote for them. I hate being bugged at election time, but I do get informed and I do vote. So please give people some credit and realize in all honestly that they don't have to line up here to vouch to you that they have done something. Don't mean for that to sound harsh.
  4. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    In all honesty, I don't mind "bugging" people when it involves the health and well being of children. It doesn't bother me that I may have had to "push" a little to get some others to share their opinion and to possibly even help with a vote. People may find it unpleasant to be hit with issues at voting time but that's how things get done. You assumed wrong in stating that I think people may not have done anything because they didn't answer these posts...I clearly asked WHY people aren't answering no matter what their view. You have now stated another reason and that's what I was asking for.

  5. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    that we DO NOT have the laws to prosecute these individuals! Cyberlaw does NOT exsist. Even after admitting to having violated a 13year old my ex had his records EXPONGED because his "statement" was in cyberspace. This is not unusual. These predators are getting off because of the lack of laws and the lack of people to catch these slime-balls. I again must say I'm completely confused as to why it is that individuals on this site have been so supportive with everything from issues I've had to commenting on funny experiences I've endured but are so angry that I "assume" they are not being active as far as this particular act is concerned. Again I didn't assume anything...I asked "why" people aren't responding. I've seen more responses to jokes than I did to "fight"'s important post. I'm upset and feel like I have every right to be because nobody was able to help me when my ex's victims were lost in the system possibly including my daughter. I am not assuming anything but when people aren't responding I'm curious as to why. I may be stepping on toes but...I am so very very hurt right now...I'm going to calm down and try to respond later in a more appropriate tone.

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  6. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    I'm a female, and I'm so fed up with female teachers who are sexual predators and prey on their students (both male and female) being able to get off with PROBATION. The laws are there and it is the Judges I believe that are failing to really see these women as sexual predators among our children.
  7. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    I don't understand why certain women aren't viewed as predators either. Obviously they are. ANYONE who victimizes a child needs to be prosecuted no matter what their age/gender. Perhaps society, judges included, have difficulty viewing a female as a non-caretaker...I'm not sure, but wrong is wrong and they need to see jail time.

  8. springwater

    springwater Well-Known Member

    Im sorry...yes, Im guilty of skipping over acures post thinking it was another political thing...

    after your post i went over and read it and am sickened to the soul by what is going on...i knew child porno and child abuse existed but never the nitty gritties....I dont know what to say ...i just want to take a sword and stab every offender thru the heart and rid this planet of this disease?or what is it? is there any way these child molestors get rehabilitated? is it some gene in them? is it sheer evil? what is it and how to permanently wipe it off the face of the earth

    Thank you for posting; and for taking positive steps to end this scourge

    God Bless
  9. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    and sent it to all my family and friends. When I followed up with a few of them last night at dinner NONE of them had contacted their senators. I was so upset and furious, they all know what I've been through...they've been through it too because they weren't able to protect my daughter either. Maybe I'm going about this all wrong...I don't know...I feel more frustrated and alone than ever. This is exactly what I mean...for whatever reason a large amount of people don't seem to want to get involved or if they do don't even want to talk about it.

    I am appreciative that so many of you have recently posted on "fight"'s thread. I don't know if my post had anything to do with that or not and that's not important...I just wanted to thank you for your kind words and involvement in this matter.

  10. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    You zeal for this is admirable and we all understand why.

    With me I am disabled, so I arrange to do all the voting early by mail, but during the local elections or the presidential elections I get absolutely hounded daily with phone ads all throughout the day, with people at the door, with tons of election mail, and it reaches a point when someone "hounds" me, it goes from being informative to being harassing and I tune them out, shut the door on them and hang up the phone when they are in mid sentence. Even after I have done the early voting, they are still "at me" without respect for whether I am ill, whether it takes me longer to get to the door or the phone because I am mobility disabled.

    I think when you labeled your thread--I thought it was a special message about the operation of that board. So I was disappointed to see we were "ordered" to see your message. I had read the other person's message's and instead they labeled their thread with the legislative bill number. Maybe that's why they got more responses. Also keep in mind that many of us saw and winced and are shell shocked at having seen Oprah's show and took action then and I personally don't want this issue thrown at me again and again--I'm not a predator and I don't want to be hounded like one about this issue. So maybe you can understand that this was a difficult and graphic subject to see on Oprah's show and many are still getting over it. Many hugs and don't feel bad.

  11. Didoe

    Didoe New Member

    2catsdoctor mentioned female predators who are teachers...
    this is not a new phenom. i'm 55 now and in first grade because i already knew how to read, i had a teacher who had me stand behind her and give her back 'massages' while classmates read their readers out loud.

    The most frightening part of it, thinking back, is that it never occured to me to tell my preoccupied lunatic parents that my teacher had me giving her 'back rubs' and it didnt seem anything but wonderful that I was singled out for 'special treatment'---I had already been putting a drunk father to bed, what was a back rub for an 8 yr old?

    painterz, dont stop raging about this. I'm sure there are so many people like me who dont even 'get' what's happened to us. thanks for the heads up
  12. ABLUV

    ABLUV New Member

    to read that post "Senate Bill 1738/Child Protection Act" and could not find it. Has it been removed?

    I don't get to participate in this forum everyday so I must
    have missed this important post. HELP!
  13. springwater

    springwater Well-Known Member

    here it is

    *******Senate Bill 1738 Child Protection Act******* 09/15/08 04:40 PM

    Please take a few minutes of your time to read over and take action in regards to Senate Bill 1738 - The Child Protection Act that needs your backing.

    Please read the article on this website:


    Oprah Winfrey goes after Internet predators, pleads with America to support Child Protection Act. Ill. Sens. Obama and Durbin support bill.
    Mark Bieganski
    on September 15, 2008 1:03 PM

    Chances are they're sitting next you in church. They live next door to you. They're professional manipulators.
    They're Internet child predators. And they're a bigger problem than Oprah Winfrey and you probably ever imagined.

    Winfrey pleaded Monday with America to take a stand against child pornography and predators -- an issue that's exploded far more than most of us ever could have imagined.

    It's an issue many of those who haven't been affected by it don't realize is there or how big it's become. You know it's happening somewhere, but not to what extent.

    With red dots popping up on a U.S. map to show the average number of pedophiles in a given day that trade pornographic images, Winfrey showed just how much of a problem child pornography has become. Within a matter of seconds, the number of red dots exploded across the map to a sickening level.

    "The number of pedophiles and child pornographers online would literally blow your mind, and the demand is so high for new material that the videos and photographs are getting more brutal with younger and younger baby victims," Winfrey said.

    In an attempt to shock viewers into action, Winfrey read aloud an instruction manual circulating around the Internet telling predators just how to molest and rape girls as little as newborn babies. It told how to use pacifiers to penetrate children. It told the size pencil predators should use to penetrate girls depending on their age. It also told how to videotape it, and how to not get caught.

    Winfrey's push was to support Senate Bill 1738 -- a piece of legislation before the U.S. Senate this month to create jobs and resources to help put child predators behind bars.

    Representatives from Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Dick Durbin's offices said via telephone Monday that they are both co-sponsors of the bill and support its passing.

    "This has nothing to do with the politics, it has everything to do with us putting our money as a nation where our talk has been and doing something, actually putting the funding behind what is necessary to catch these [predators]," Winfrey said. "This is a dark evil pervading our country and we're not going to change it unless we provide the money."

    Even Winfrey herself said she didn't know how big of a problem online child predators were until going into this show.

    "We've heard this for years -- that the Internet is the Wild Wild West for predators and for these images. I don't think that most of us have a clue what's really going on."

    This isn't the first time Winfrey's gone after child predators
    - In 1991, Winfrey testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee in support of a national database of convicted child abusers. The "Oprah Bill" was signed into law in 1993.
    - In 2005, Winfrey launched the "Oprah's Child Predator Watch List" and pledged a $100,000 reward per case for information that leads to the arrest of fugitives featured on her show and Web site. Nine of the featured fugitives have been captured, Harpo said.

    The facts:
    -Officials only are able to investigate two percent of the leads they get. Why? Because they're largely understaffed and can't handle tracking every case.
    -Agents at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children scan through up to 200,000 images a week of child porn being traded on the Internet
    -Three out of four children being abused know the person who is abusing them.

    -About the Protecting our Children Bill:
    -Will authorize over $320 million over the next five years in desperately needed funding -for law enforcement to investigate child exploitation.
    -Mandate that child rescue be a top priority for law enforcement receiving federal funding.
    -Allocate funds for high-tech computer software that can track down Internet predators.

    Call Your Senators
    If you choose to contact your senators by phone, be sure to tell them, "Vote yes on Senate Bill 1738--The PROTECT Our Children Act." Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Dick Durbin both already support the bill.

    Write to Your Senators
    If you choose to write a letter, fax, telegram or e-mail, you may use the following sample letter--and modify it how you see fit.

    Dear Senator:

    I know that you believe, like I do, that we must do everything possible to protect children from sexual predators. That is why I am asking for your help.

    Last year alone, U.S. law enforcement identified over 300,000 criminals who were trafficking in movies and pictures of young children being raped and tortured. Experts say that one in every three of these criminals has local child victims. Child pornography trafficking over the Internet has given us a trail of evidence that leads straight to their doorsteps, but the vast majority of these children will never be rescued because investigators are overwhelmed, outnumbered and underfunded.

    As your constituent, I urge you to do everything in your power to pass the PROTECT Our Children Act (S. 1738, Biden-Hatch). This bipartisan legislation passed the House 415-2, but it is now the victim of petty partisan politics.

    Now that we know where these children are and how to protect them, there is no excuse for the Senate to fail to take action this session.

    (Your name here)

    Instructions for How to Copy and Paste the Letter
    To copy and paste the letter into your senator's web form at, point your mouse arrow at the beginning of the text that you want to copy. Click your left mouse button and hold it down. While holding the left mouse button, drag your arrow to the end of the text that you want to copy. Release the button. The text should be highlighted. Place your mouse arrow over the highlighted text, click your right mouse button once and let go. A new menu should appear. Select Copy from the drop down menu. When you get to the message form field for your senator at, point your arrow at the beginning of the message field that you want to copy your text to and right click with your mouse. Click Paste from this menu. Submit your form and help our children!

    It is vital that we protect our children from predators! Please take a stand and support this bill. If you need help in knowing how to take a stand, you may post a message to me for further assistance. Thank you for your time in reading this important bill. Please pass along this information to friends, family, and co-workers, as well, as we need many people to make this become a reality. Thank you!



    God Bless
  14. ABLUV

    ABLUV New Member

    after viewing the posts again I realized I didn't read closely enough. The post is right there!! Chronic Fatigue Fog strikes again! :) But thank you for going to all the trouble to repost this important message here.

  15. therealmadscientist

    therealmadscientist New Member

    Have been thinking about thread......and realizing that I may be an indirect victum. Fortunately, I don't think I was abused or molested as a maybe I'm a bit naive or idealistic on some things.

    Anyhow, as a single male, one of few things I'm frightened about is being too friendly to any neighborhood kids. Like, I'd feel safer alone in a room with a vampire than a six year old kid.

    I like kids, and like to play and pretend that I'm a six year old. (Adults can be so stuffy) I respect and honor the trust and security that chidren thrive on. If I ever felt otherwise, I would turn myself in..
    (Just remembered that there is a 15 year girl in neighborhood. Just great. No wonder I try to live like a hermit! :)

    Anyway, I avoid being friendly to kids.....and I think the kids miss out on adult contact. Like, if I went next door and asked if little Johnny could come out and play and see, enjoy, the science experiment I was doing I feel like my house might be burned downed the next day. Seems sort of sad. Sigh.

    I guess, though, I have a great suspicion about the government having censorship and punishment powers over words and pictures. Idealogically, I have to argue against censorship. Kind of like, there is supposed to be a vidio on internet showing people getting blown away by 50 caliber sniper bullets. Ick.

    Anyway, I guess I feel vulnerable. As far as I know, there is no child porn on my computer, but I'm not a computer whizz, so some could be there somewhere. Or it could be planted.

    I'm very much in favor of prosecuting the perpetrators and makers of child porn and molestors. Yet wonder if it might be easier to catch the makers of chid porn if mere possesion weren't so demonized and resources focused on actual perpetrators.

    I don't know. I have very different experiences than other persons and perhaps feel important to share my perspective. Oh, I'm not sure if sex itself is the biggest problem (I suppose kids will always play doctor) but the betrayal of trust and coercion and lying is disgusting.

    Anyway, I appreciate the opportunity to express my perspective...and fears, and do wish well to any attempts to prevent molestation. Probably a great step forward to just acknowledge the problems and not sweep it under the rug like have in past and in most societies.

    Oh, maybe some people are just disillusioned about passing another law, which nowadays doesn't seem to make much difference unless enforced. Sigh.

    Concerned, mr Bill

    [This Message was Edited on 09/22/2008]
  16. Rafiki

    Rafiki New Member

    I know what you mean.

    As a young teenager, I was molested by a friend of my father and, separately, another family friend. It was a disturbing time but, for me, there was not long term trauma. Having parents who were too preoccupied and chaotic to protect me from this kind of thing was far more damaging. At any rate, it's all water under the proverbial bridge now.

    As an adult, I became involved with a man who had little kids. His ex-wife had recently "recovered memories" of being molested as a child. This was during a time when "recovering memories" was all over the media. (Later, the issue of "false memories" was all over the media.)

    Once the "recovered memory" issue was raised, I stopped hugging his kids. I did not want to pick them up from school and be alone in the car with them. There were far more serious consequences to this family than my distance from these children. Lives were lost and destroyed.

    I hear you, Mr. Bill.

    And, I hear those who are appalled to find out what's going on on the www. It is truly disgusting. I could not believe what I saw and heard on Oprah. It was shocking in the extreme.

    Pedophiles destroy lives. Hysteria can destroy lives, too.

    Peace and healing to all,

    [This Message was Edited on 09/22/2008]
  17. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    I want to thank you both for your posts and an insight into your prospectives. Mr. Bill...your post made me so sad...sad for you and for the children that have lost the chance to learn something from you.'re right that pedophiles and the hysteria surrounding them destroy lives. It's so hard to think about innocent people who have been accused of such heinous crimes. I truly believe that a child must be believed when they report abuse but I'm also very aware that there can be external influences on some children that can lead to false reports. I think twice about things too when I'm with a child, say at a neighborhood party or something where I don't really know that child and they don't know me. Honestly, I thought that I was like that because of my experiences in dealing with the detectives who kept saying "it's the child's word vs your ex's". Well, they believed the children involved and believe me had huge amounts of evidence but again because no specific laws are on the books about cyberspace they let him off. I believe the children too but they're children and until I saw the undefiable evidence I tried to think maybe it was some huge mistake. I did believe the children though because of my past and knew that they weren't making it up. It's difficult to wrap your mind around it. I still believe that law intervention is needed and again that's coming from my experiences but I really do appreciate how this issue effects others. Thanks for being so gentle in your explaination.

    Warm thoughts to all who this affects...which I now understand a little better that it is all of us, perhaps just in different ways.

  18. painterZ

    painterZ New Member

    I wanted you to know that when I made my post it was with the very best intentions. I know that I've made some people angry by demanding their attention but haven't changed my post's title because I feel like we've gotten some good dialog from this. I truly hope I haven't made you angry by making other's angry, potentially at your thread instead of directly at mine. Please let me know your thoughts.

  19. Rafiki

    Rafiki New Member

    You are so right, many people have been affected by this issue in so many different ways. I'm so sorry that it touched you in the traumatic way it did. I would feel so horribly betrayed if I were you.

    Thank you for being so understanding about my experience and for your kind words.

    Peace to you,
  20. Greenbean7

    Greenbean7 New Member

    Please don't assume that because I didn't respond to the posts that I don't care and haven't acted! I feel you made an assumption very much like what Mr. Bill talked about. It's very sad that a man (or woman) cannot connect with children because of the perception of other people. It's also sad that you perceive me as uncaring and uninvolved because I chose not to respond to the post.

    Many of us were abused as children and are active in fighting the problem but we are also uncomfortable discussing the issue with others. My counselor suggested I do what I could from the side lines and that I don't have to be, as she put it, at the front of the parade.

    I had read the previous post and did not respond. My fight didn't start with Oprah bringing this to the forefront, it started years ago. I am very thankful that Oprah has become involved as she has more influence than any other woman in America.

    I'm not angry that you made your title so insistant. I don't think that's a bad thing when you are posting regarding something you are passionate about.

    And Mr. Bill, I hear you. Even as a woman I have found that I have backed away from interacting with children. It's sad. I would love to have grandchildren and enjoy watching children play and just be kids. But I am no longer comfortable doing so as I often feel that others are watching me with distrust.

    Just my 22 cents worth (2 cents doesn't go as far as it used to!!).


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