Suggestions on BROMELAIN dosage?

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by Jen F, Jun 18, 2003.

  1. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    To help me with inflammation?

    I bought a bottle of tablets, 600mg each of Natural Bromelain powder.

    I wonder how much I should try to help me with my severe inflammatory pain?

    Jen F
  2. victoria

    victoria New Member

    Then start adding. I used up to 10 500-mg. pills (each pill has 2,000 gdu) in divided doses to take care of pain from an inoperable bone spur that was causing me to limp. Vioxx and Celebrex didn't work.

    It was remarkable how much relief I got -- to the point that I rarely had to take it at all. I even give it to my dog who has arthritis - makes a big difference.

    My husband's a pro-boxing coach and recommends it to his boxers for muscle injuries, etc. They all say it's remarkable how quickly it works. In fact, the original studies about it were done on boxers.

    Bromelain is actually a digestive enzyme (from pineapple) , so for anti-inflammatory purposes, it should be taken between meals.

    Good luck,
    Victoria
  3. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    Wow, Victoria, was great to hear about the results you get from the bromelain.

    My pills are only 800Gu's each. i guess not as good a quality as yours.
  4. victoria

    victoria New Member

    from Dr. Whitaker's newsletter some years ago. I use the NOW brand which is pretty cheap but effective.

    I do need to add I later added SAM-e, which also made a huge difference - I just posted to ac77's post asking if others took sam-e. But bromelain also works well even by itself, as testified to by my husband's boxers!

    I don't know about using it with heparin -- hopefully your doctor might know or do a search on contraindications. I think there's a book out now about supplements and contraindications using them with RXs, but can't remember the name, sorry!

    Victoria
  5. reva727

    reva727 New Member

    Just to add to what's already been said. I take it three times a day with meals and bedtime, but from what I have read in the books about these things, to get the most of the immflamitory effect, it should be taken on an empty stomach.
  6. skychomper

    skychomper Member

    wow, I didn't know this. I had read about bromelain as an antihistamine and as an enzyme but as an anti-inflammatory too!! thats great.

    my mom is currently taking vioxx for her cervical stenosis.
    its working great but I think she wouldn't mind checking out some alternatives if the vioxx loses its pow, or if it becomes unsafe after a period of time. I will read up on this right away!
    skychomper
  7. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    My naturopath sold me some Wobenzyme M today which is supposed to be good for inflammation.

    One of its components is bromelain

    Anyone tried it?
  8. lucky

    lucky New Member

    I have tried Wobenzyme, but the results were poor, same Moducare, etc.
    The best results I ever had with any supplements are from OLE (Olive Leaf Extract) and colostrum, it really is amazing. Check them out on the web or ask Plantscaper, she is an expert on it.
    Take care and hope you are getting your pain under control.
    Lucky
    [This Message was Edited on 06/19/2003]
  9. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    Was it the formula by Heel?

    I tried Moducare Sterinol for a few months and didn't notice a lot of benefit.

    I tried colostrum for about 3 mths and didn't notice much benefit. Recently i saw info that stated one might have to take colostrum for up to 5 months until seeing noticeable benefits...so maybe if I had staye on longer....or maybe that's a good marketing ploy:

    This product will really help you -- but you must take it for 6 months first -- some people might get better by then for other reasons and attribut it to the colostrum!
  10. nacl4y

    nacl4y New Member

    Talk about coincidence. I was just about to post a question on this. LOL

    Went to the health-food type establishment last night. One that I trust the people at quite highly. My main goal was to just look at the digestive and probiotic enzymes they had - figure out costs, etc. as well. The owner spent alot of time talking to me - he has experience with CFS (his daughter has it). He pointed out and suggested Wobenzym N, and gave me some info on it.

    Now, according to him... one could take the digestive enzymes with food... the probiotic enzymes in between AND the Wobenzym N as well, as they would work on different things, etc.

    Not sure if it's brain fog or fatigue... but I couldn't figure out exactly what Wobenzym N had it it - will do further research on it though.

    Anyone used a combination of the three ? Or anyone have any opinions on using a combination of them ? Anything that I do try, I'll do for a minimum of 3 months. Knowing my system it will easily take that long to have an impact.

    Thanks,
    Shannon
  11. steve

    steve New Member

    Hello, first time on this board, I usually read the arthritis one (I have RA). To those who did not have good results with Wobenzym N, you have to start with a higher dose that what it says on the bottle. Try 5 tablets 3 times a day on an empty stomach. 3 tablets twice a day is the maintenance dose. I had very good results once I started the higher dosage. I found the dosage recommendations on a website that had a lot of articles about Wobenzym. Also, if you are using a brand other than Wobenzym, be sure it is enteric coated. There are a lot of enzyme preparations that have the same ingredients but are not coated, and will only help with digestion. It takes a couple of weeks to start seeing the benefits, just like with most supplements.
  12. lucky

    lucky New Member

    I am not so great on supplements since I never had any luck with them in all the years since I am ill. However, and this is surprising me, since I take the OLE and Colostrum, there is a big difference in that the allergies are under control and I am not so stuffed up. The colostrum I am sure has to be taken for some time, but I see an improvement with the IBS problems since I am on it.
    I am sure, Jen, that if you give the Wobenzyme a long enough try, you never know if it helps. However, it is costly and you want to make sure that you are not paying money needlessly.
    By the way, when I saw my doctor yesterday he told me again, that I never will get better. And again, I heard the same story that there are only 5% of GP's who are looking after CFS/FMS patients and 1% of specialists. Now, this really upset me and I told him, you'll wait, there will be a change and he laughed at me and said there are more important illnesses out there than CFS/FMS. This is the second time that he mentioned the same thing. Now, what is your opinion on this? Why would he tell me these things, to let me know to be thankful ever after that he looks after me? I am sick and tired of remarks like these. And this will be the beginning of my fight for better care.
    Sincerely, Lucky
  13. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    some ppl believe they will never get better and find it best to accept it, and that works for them.

    I am not there YET, but might be getting close.

    But, i do know people who have regained their health [remission?], so it is possible. But some have had relapses.

    Your doctor is following one point of view.

    We all often disagree with our docs, but... whatcha gonna do....

    [reminds me of a line the comic what's his name uses...Canadians are so apathetic!!! pause
    sigh But... sigh what're ya gonna do...]
  14. lucky

    lucky New Member

    I am like you, I will never say that I am never getting better, because I believe that these negative thoughts do not get me anywhere. That's why I cannot understand why I hear it from my own doctor.
    However, I have accepted my fate a long time ago and know that we only can expect a remission or a 'miracle' and hopefully better meds in the future to have more quality of life. And....above all, we need doctors who are properly trained to treat these illnesses. This is one thing which really occupies me more than anything else, not only get proper care for myself but for the thousands of others who are worse off than I am.
    Hope you have a nice weekend. Well, the sun will be shining and it will be hot. Take care, Lucky

    P.S. You mentioned in one of your messages that you belong to a support group. My question is, is there every any discussion in what can be done to have the various health departments listen to our concerns. The ME Ontario Association and others are not capable of doing it and have not done anything at all. This, by the way, my doctor mentioned too, and I agree.
  15. Jen F

    Jen F New Member

    You write: "P.S. You mentioned in one of your messages that you belong to a support group. My question is, is there every any discussion in what can be done to have the various health departments listen to our concerns. The ME Ontario Association and others are not capable of doing it and have not done anything at all. This, by the way, my doctor mentioned too, and I agree. "

    Nothing comes immediately to mind regarding discussions on specific large action in my support group, but my memory isn't so good esp right now. REcently, on national ME awareness day, people were asked to help volunteer if possible to man kiosks/information centres in malls etc.

    ME Ontario is limited in its funding and abilities, but they do try. A freind of mine is on the board and probably would be uspet if she thought someone said ME Ont did nothing at all, regarding the health depts. Hey, why don't I skim their annual report and see what refers to the health depts...

    I think ME Ontario had something to do with the phone in talk show on CP24 bout CFS. It was very good in my opinion.

    I think they have been mostly working hard with the cfs docs on the new Clinical working case def, diagnostic and treatment protocl. But, if you've read my past post, I'm not a HUGE fan of the results cause i don't understand the nec inclusion of pain for the diagnosis, barring a very small exception found in a paragraph on pg 17 of the whole document, if i remember correctly.

    I think they are very proud an dhappy of their work, and i think most people are pleased. I'm concerned cause i think there are some ppl where the fatigue is the main disabling component, they have little or no pain and could work in spite of the litte pain if it weren't for the fatigue and cogn problems. but, i guess they worked hard on it...hmm...

    ME O has obtained funding to place this new document with many physicians in Toronto.


    okay more from the Annual Report:
    [just excerpts]

    -have obtained funding for placemt of TEACH-ME Sourcebook in additional schools in Toronto and in some schools outside to.

    past activities have included:

    1994 - MEAO held a press conference at Queen's Park to increase ublic awareness and initiate lobbying for ME clinics in Ontario

    -intiated massive mail campaign to provincial gov't to increase awareness

    1995 - campaign with ME/FM ACtion Network to petition the fed gov't for national policies to ensure care, teatment, comfort and dignity for persons afflicted with ME, Fibro and MCS

    1999 - established toll free line outside GTA

    - ME/CFS Info sent to all MPP's Federal Party leaders and Ont and Fed Health Ministers

    - assisted planning and presentation of the Ont Human Rights Commisions' first workshop for Person with Disabilities.

    there is also a section where MEAO assisted with some REsearch studies.


    2001

    -Journals of CFS volumes 8 and 9 were placed in the 5 ontario University Medical Libraries

    -ME/CFS info was mailed to all 72 Ontario Schools of nursing

    - attended a Community Town Hall given by the Federal Minister, the Hon. Dr. Carolyn Bennett, Sub-chair of the Fed Dis Committee for persons with dis. Discussion ensued re the diff that individuals with ME are having in obtainng CPP DIS benefits.

    this is only a partial list

    So, they do some work.

    but, I agree with you, it isn't enough and more needs to be done. More funding would probably come if less people thought it was psychological and need treatment of counselling.

    I understand your frustration. I am frustrated too, believe me!

    jen
  16. lucky

    lucky New Member

    And thank you for giving me all the infos and actions on ME Ontario.
    From what I read, they are really active and that is great and comforting to know.
    My main concern are the doctors that they get the proper infos and that we are ultimately treated with more respect and dignity.
    Tell your good friend at ME to keep up the good work and yes, they can be proud of what they have achieved so far.
    I would like to help them out, however, I have a hard time with any commitments at the moment.
    Sincerely, Lucky

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