The Grostic Procedure for FMS, please read

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by dolsgirl, Jul 16, 2003.

  1. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member

    Someone I work with gave me some information that he had mailed to him for me. It turns out it's from a local chiropractor that starting studying around 1994 fibromyalgia intently. He does what's called the Grostic Procedure. It's non surgical, no medicine. They use an instrument that is positioned lightly on a specific spot at the base of our heads where our Atlas, the 1st vertebrae is located that keeps our heads on straight. I'm still reading the material, am awaiting a call back. I left a voice message and explained how I came to have this information & I'd like the first appointment which is free for an initial appointment and analysis of where they would place this instrument for treatment. I haven't even finished reading it all.

    While he was in medical school, he's a chiropractor, it became clear to him that many doctors don't believe in fibromyalgia, but they would still choose to treat patients even tho these docs felt their 'disease' was "all in their heads" and they didn't feel they could help them.

    Also, he mentioned that the pharmaceutical companies and the American Medical Association don't really want people to know of this. It's actually been around since 1930. I know that both of these organizations grease alot of palms in Washington DC to get their own personal agendas taken care of & not necessarily what patients actually would benefit from.

    The 1st thing this guy says is if you have a doc that doesn't believe in it, or thinks it's all in your head, immediately find a new doctor.

    Has anyone heard of this procedure? I'll post when I have more info. My problem is, I fall asleep alot when I read & it's taken me days to get to page 18 of 24 of this 8"x11" page size pamphlet. It's very interesting. It makes sense that if the 1st vertebrae is off, the Atlas, the rest of your body will be off as will the messages your brain is trying to get through to your body. The vertebrae involved is where your brain stem is. The procedure has been used successfully for patients that have gone decades without relief & you don't have to have a vertebrae dianosis for this procedure to work.

    There isn't a web address for this but they did mention to call the National Awareness Campaign for Upper Cervical Care at a toll free number:1-888-622-8221

    PS: Please read bakron's post in it's entirety. It's very informative.

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  2. bakron

    bakron New Member

    Here is what I found about the procedure. You may want to print it as it is lengthy. (Sorry for the lengthy post!)

    Taken from:

    The Origins Of The Grostic Procedure
    by John D. Grostic, B.S., D.C
    International Review of Chiropractic - March 1978 (pages 33-35)


    John D. Grostic, B.S., D.C., is a 1969 graduate of Palmer College of Chiropractic and was active in Grostic Chiropractic Presentations, Inc., from 1968 to 1976. The son of John F. Grostic, D.C., and Grace G. (Johnson) Grostic, the author has a long list of educational and research credits. He has been a guest lecturer and extension faculty member of Palmer College of Chiropractic. As of 1977, he became a full-time faculty member at Palmer and is involved in a computer-assisted x-ray analysis research project there. He has conducted extensive research into the Grostic Technique and x-ray safety and radiation hazards. Dr. Grostic has been a member of ICA since his graduation from Palmer and in 1975, he was elected a Distinguished Fellow of the ICA. He was chairman of the Research Committee of the Michigan Chiropractic Council from 1971-73. He maintained a private practice in Ann Arbor, MI, from 1969 until his move to Davenport in 1977.


    The Grostic Procedure had its origins in the Palmer Specific Upper Cervical technique. It was one of several techniques that developed as a result of efforts to standardize chiropractic procedures and methods. Much of this effort to standardize the profession was the result of a group of chiropractors under the direction of Dr. B. J. Palmer. The group, known as the Palmer Standardized Chiropractic Council, founded by Roy G. Labachotte, D.C., provided a forum at which research and new ideas could be presented and exchanged.

    Dr. John F. Grostic was one of the members of this organization. He, along with other chiropractors, would present research and ideas at the annual meeting of the Council. This annual meeting evolved into the Pre-Iyceum program where it continued to be the forum at which new ideas could be presented.

    At these forums and in the "Bulletin" published monthly by the Council, Dr. Grostic presented much of his research work. Since much of the material was being presented as it was being developed, the continuity in the presentations was lacking. Because of this, several chiropractors requested that Dr. Grostic assemble his research into a "package" that could then be presented to them at one time. In 1946, Dr. Grostic presented the first seminar of the research work to a group of 14 doctors.

    At the present time, the Grostic Procedure is being taught at Palmer College of Chiropractic as an elective course for senior students and it also is being offered to practicing chiropractors through Palmer College Postgraduate Education Seminars.

    The Grostic Procedure is primarily a measurement system. The x-ray analysis is the real core of the procedure and is the one area that has remained constant over the last 30 years. During that time, the adjusting methods have changed several times in an effort to improve the effectiveness of the procedure. Since 1946, the adjustment has changed from a Palmer Toggle to what may still resemble a "Toggle," but which is now a much shorter and lighter thrust. The contact point, the pisiform, usually travels less than one-fourth inch during the thrust.

    The result of this shortened thrust has been twofold. First, discomfort for the patient has for the most part been eliminated. Second, and more important, the atlas misalignment can be reduced more consistently and predictably.

    The Grostic Procedure originated as a means of precisely measuring the misalignments of the atlas and axis and this is still its prime function. It provides a means of evaluating various adjusting procedures. Because of this evaluating ability, new adjusting methods are continually being tested. When a particular change is proven to reduce misalignments better, it is incorporated into the adjusting aspect of the Grostic Procedure.

    The procedure begins with the most basic chiropractic philosophy -- that the human body has an inborn intelligence that controls function, growth and repair, and that this inborn intelligence must maintain a balanced and stable relationship between the body and its internal as well as its external environment. It is the function of the nervous system to maintain this homeostasis.

    To maintain this critical balance effectively, the nervous system must be continually informed not only of any changes in the external environment, but also of the current state of all internal systems. To accomplish this task, large amounts of data must be continually transmitted over the nerves to the brain where this information is integrated and acted upon.

    If a response is required, it is transmitted over nerves to the appropriate structure, organ or cells. Any interference with the transmission of data or of the response can upset the delicate balance of homeostasis.

    The Grostic Procedure attempts to correct or reduce misalignments that have produced subluxations and their resulting nerve interference. The reduction of these subluxations allows the data and the response to again travel between the body and the central nervous system re-establishing homeostasis.

    This procedure provides a precise means of evaluating a misalignment of the upper cervical region of the spine. The misalignment can be a lateral or rotational misalignment of the atlas with respect to the skull or with respect to the axis or any combination of these misalignments. Of course, a misalignment does not always produce a subluxation and the presence of a subluxation must be determined by clinical evaluation of the patients. But, if misalignments are said to produce subluxations; one should be able to cite the mechanism by which this occurs.

    Based on current knowledge, it would appear that there are at least four major mechanisms by which a misalignment of the upper cervical area of the spine can produce nerve interference and possible nerve dysfunction:

    1. Because of trauma to the upper cervical area, "splinting" by the cervical muscles occurs to immobilize the area. This "splinting" can produce direct mechanical irritation to the nerves passing through these muscles, especially those that make up the brachial plexus.
    2. Edema in the tissues surrounding the vertebrae can produce direct mechanical irritation to the nerves, arteries, and veins passing through the intervertebral foramen and also to the superior cervical ganglia.
    3. Extreme rotatory subluxations have been shown to reduce or occlude the vertebral arteries, thus reducing blood flow to the brain and to the upper cervical cord. Rotatory subluxations between atlas and axis also cause the cervical cord and medulla to be displaced laterally away from the direction of rotation. This allows the tip of the dens to compress the medulla. (1).
    4. Direct traction on the cord can be produced by the denticulate ligaments. This mechanism is the same mechanism that has been postulated as an explanation of the loss of lower extremity function in median herniation of the cervical discs (2). This traction on the spinal cord interferes with the normal function of the nerve tracts by at least two probable means:
    (a) Direct mechanical irritation of the nerves of the spinal cord.
    (b) Closing the small veins of the spinal cord, producing a stasis of blood in the cord (3) with a loss of nutrients necessary to carry on the very high energy reactions necessary for nerve conduction.

    The Grostic Procedure did not dictate the "normal position" of the atlas. It instead provided a system of measurement that made possible the locating of that position of the atlas that resulted in the removal of abnormal clinical findings for the greatest period of time. This procedure no more dictates the "normal position" of atlas than physiology texts dictate the normal oral temperature to be 98.6 degrees.

    The Procedure has made it possible to observe clinically the effect of various positions of the atlas on the findings of clinical tests. The outcome of this has been the observation that "normal," while being somewhat variable, is not nearly as variable as one might think, and that the more closely the atlas is positioned toward the "normal," the longer the patient's clinical findings remain normal.

    Several assumptions about the skull and cervical spine are made by the Procedure. The first assumption is that the skull on a nasium x-ray view is an incomplete elipsoid. This elipsoid has a major and minor axis and the major axis will be referred to as the vertical-central-skull-line. This line can be determined by using a skull measuring device, the cephlocentroscope, or by various mathematical methods of fitting an elipse through man points. It is assumed that this vertical-central-skull-line should be very close to vertical when the patients is free of subluxation and in the upright position. (Figure 1).

    The second major assumption made by this Procedure is that a line passing through the inferior-lateral attachment points, where the posterior arch of atlas joins the lateral masses, is representative of the plane of the atlas. It is assumed that if there is no laterality of atlas with respect to the skull, the line passing through the inferior-lateral attachment pints will be nearly perpendicular to the vertical-central-skull-line.

    This system of measuring atlas laterality is similar to the other methods that have been used over the years. Except, where other methods have used the tops of the ocular orbits, the tips of the mastoids, the jugular processes, or the inferior tips of the condyles; the Grostic Procedure utilizes the skull itself. This method uses a statistical averaging of the many points that make up the side of the skull rather than choosing any one point, such as the tip of the condyle, as being representative of the entire skull.

    The Grostic Procedure also assumes that the atlas line, drawn through the attachment points, should be very close to perpendicular to a line drawn through the center of the lower cervical spine. The lower cervical spine line is drawn from a point bisecting the distance between the lateral margins of the left and right zygapophyseal articular surfaces of the sixth or seventh cervical vertebra through a point midway between the center of the odontoid and the superior tip of the spinous process.

    The Grostic Procedure makes a third assumption that the atlas viewed on the vertex or base-posterior x-ray view should be positioned so that a line drawn through the centers of the foramen transversarium will be nearly perpendicular to a line longitudinally bisecting the skull. (Figure 2).

    The fourth major assumption is that the odontoid* and spinous process of C-2 should also be positioned at the center of the atlas as viewed on the nasium view.

    *In about 20% of the cases, the odontoid is laterally displaced. In these cases, the center of the odontoid is not in the center of the axis. It is necessary to use the actual center of the axis when this condition is present. The center is found by bisecting the superior surface of axis.

    1. Selecki, B. R.: The Effects of Rotation of the Atlas on the Axis: Experimental Work, Med. J. Aust. 1:1012-15,1969.

    2. Kahn, E. A.: The Role of the Dentate Ligaments in Spinal Cord Compressions and the Syndromes of Lateral Sclerosis. J. Neurosurg 4:191, 1947.

    3. Gillilan, L. A.: Veins of the Spinal Cord. Neurology 20:860-68, 1970.

  3. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member

    I printed it out to read. I really appreciate you doing that.

    I have an appointment with this chiropractor for Friday.

  4. garyandkim

    garyandkim New Member

    a reduction in headaches and I was able to move my neck to the right afterwords but, I also get steroid shots. We do believe that this will help in many ways. We went for over 6 weeks 3 x's a week. We also did stim and moist heat after each adjustment.

    Good luck, Kim and Gary
  5. bakron

    bakron New Member

    I would make certain that the chiropractor that you go for cervical care is certified by NUCCA (National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association). Please read the following:

    From the website of NUCCA.

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    "The National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association has established a certification program for the purpose of training doctors of chiropractic in the NUCCA technique and testing these doctors' skills in the NUCCA technique. The certification process consists of three rigorous stages. Each stage requires the participant to demonstrate significant knowledge and skill in the NUCCA technique.

    Throughout this directory, doctors who have participated in the certification program and have passed part one, part two, or part three are recognized by the designations "Passed Part 1 Cert.," "Passed Part 2 Cert.," or "Certified." Although there are many doctors of chiropractic that practice the NUCCA technique and may be very skilled in its application, these doctors have demonstrated their knowledge and skills to the certified doctors who oversee the certification program."

    Accomplishments (some of many) of NUCCA and NUCCRA:
    The development of the double-pivot-point system in x-ray analysis;
    The development of the triceps pull adjustment;
    The designing of better film analytical instruments;
    The development of biomechanical concepts in film analysis and adjusting;
    The design and development over seven years of the Anatometer by Dr. Gregory and Peter Benesh which measures bodily distortions before and after the C-1 adjustment, providing proof of the effects of a C-1 subluxation on the body and their correction;
    The design and development of a multiple support headpiece for extreme subluxations;
    The establishment of a vertical axis for C-1 subluxations;
    The classification of C-1 subluxations into basic types;
    The location of the skull center of gravity and
    The identification of the components of the lever system and their relationship inherent in an Occipital-Atlanto-Axial subluxation.</ul>

    Future goals in research are:
    <ul>an optical scanning feasibility study to scientifically prove the NUCCRA system,
    a read-out instrument to test the adjustment, and
    a fool-proof system for checking leg disparity from which better correlations can be made.</ul>
  6. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member

    He is board certified with the National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association.

    I actually started crying today, but I've been having a bad day anyway, just hoping that this will help me. dolsgirl
  7. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member

    What is: Cfrio? dolsgirl
  8. sssupermom

    sssupermom New Member

    what is the difference between this and nucca?
  9. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member

    What is nucca? dolsgirl
  10. nancyneptune

    nancyneptune New Member

    you guys watch out!!! Most chiro's can't take a decent x-ray!, let alone read one!!
  11. dolsgirl

    dolsgirl New Member