The Lightning Process??cure for ME??

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by lfrost, Apr 24, 2006.

  1. lfrost

    lfrost New Member

    Have recently heard about a new technique for curing ME and many other conditions. It is called the Lightning Process which sounds miraculous but I am very sceptical. Has anyone out there heard of this, or better still, been cured by it. I need to know a lot more about it before I am willing to try it. Someone I know is going through it at this very moment. If it is a new cure, why has it not been in the papers. I am very worried about it but also very tempted to try it-the thought of being ME free by my 20th anniversary (June this year) is very exciting but it is a lot of money to waste, if it does not work. For further information about this contact [web site address removed as per rules]. Any views on this please? Lucy
  2. kalina

    kalina New Member

    Hi, Lucy

    No, I had never heard of the Lightning Process, but I took a look at their web site.

    I am VERY sceptical of anyone who claims they have a cure for ME/CFS, since there is no known cure. The info I saw on the Lightning Process web site made me even more sceptical. They say they help their clients with:

    Low self esteem, self-doubt and even self-hatred.
    Fear of failure
    Stress & Struggle
    M.E /Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
    Obsessive compulsive disorder

    Notice that these are all PSYCHOLOGICAL issues, and ME/CFS is the only biological illness, which is lumped in with the other things. How do they propose to be able to CURE it? I see no evidence at all that they approach it from a medical standpoint.

    Did you see the results of the CDC research published in the U.S. last week? It proves CFS is a genuine, biological illness, and gives us hope that diagnosis and treatment are very close! That hope is what I'm hanging onto. I am sure that we will know if or when a cure is discovered.

    Hang in there!


  3. sues1

    sues1 New Member

    From a previous posting on Lightning Process:

    Lightning Process 03/21/06 09:51 AM

    Oh, I forgot to mention that I wanted to do the Lightning Process but when I e-mailed them they said it was not available in the U.S. but if I got a group of people together who were interested, then I should contact them.

    If you enter Lightning Process in the search box you will find previous postings. I am very skeptical.

  4. lfrost

    lfrost New Member

    Thanks to those of you who have replied to this and especially to Susan who mentioned the previous postings. I have read them all with much interest, but feel even more confused-some very positive and some very negative. I am particularly interested to hear from davebhoy now and see how he is getting on. There is nothing like first-hand experiences. Any other views on this subject or knowledge of it would be great. Lucy
  5. lfrost

    lfrost New Member

    Please if you are out there, would you let me know how you are now, several months after doing the Lightning process. Was it as good as you first thought. Obviously everything on the Phil Parker website could be biased so I am really keen to hear how you are. Many thanks, Lucy
  6. rockgor

    rockgor Well-Known Member

    is, this is shocking news!
  7. Ladyhurt

    Ladyhurt New Member

    It sounds like shock treatment to me stay clear of anything like this as we all know they always say it cures hmmmmmmm why not cure everything if they could .
    Just my opinion
  8. KelB

    KelB New Member

    I'd be very wary of anything that claims to "cure" CFS/ME. There is no cure at present, although conventional medicine is getting nearer tests & useful treatment of the symptoms.

    That's not to say that the Lightning Process won't help at all. We all know how different our symptoms are and how different coping strategies work better for some than others. It could be that there are elements of the process that might help some people.

    Of course, you won't know if you're one of the people who will be helped, until you've spent your money on it! It would be good to have some real-life feedback.
  9. Defor

    Defor New Member

    Hi Nate,
    Just to say that the medical profession in the UK used to consider that ME/CFS was a psychological problem. The Department of Health sent guidelines to every doctor and specialist in the country last year, advising them how to manage their ME patients and to consider it a 'neurological' problem.
    This is all due to the efforts of the ME groups, especially the 25% ME Group. Some of their members travelled to London to petition Parliament. They arrived in 'various stages of collapse' with their carers. Many MP's were shocked to see all these disabled people some in wheelchairs, on 'gurneys' or laying on the floor and asked what was wrong with them. One of the speakers from the group collapsed while trying to do his speech. Lots of MP's signed the 'bill' to recognise it. They also arranged funding for ME clinics to be set up across the country.
    Of course there are still some 'sceptics' but they are now a 'dying' breed.
    Things are changing but slowly. It's better than it was in the 1980's, they were still throwing kids who couldn't move, into swimming pools to see if they would swim and they almost drowned.
    It's all down to the two psychologists who were told to investigate the first recorded outbreak of ME at the Royal Free Hospital in London. Three hundred people had got this 'mysterious' illness, most were nursing staff looking after patients with polio. The two psychologists never even interviewed any of the sufferers and reported that it was 'mass hysteria'. The report went into medical text books so every medical student was taught that ME is a 'psychological' illness.
    Best wishes,

  10. Defor

    Defor New Member

    Hi, Just a thought... but have you looked at the Optimum Health Clinic website?
    It was set up by Alex Howard who got ME when he was 14 and after trying just about everything (as you do) went to see Phil Parker and made a complete recovery.
    Alex wrote a book called, "Why ME?" which is inspiring.
    He used to work with Phil and then he set up a clinic in Harley Street, London...many of the staff have had ME.

    They send cd's by post. One set (of four) is called 'The Sleep Inducer, intergrated brainwave balancing'. There is another set specifically for people with ME and they say that it's 'accumalitive'. Everyone who uses them says that they are worth their weight in gold. It's something similar to Phil Parker but you can do it at home using cd's...all you need is a personal cd player.
    Tel: 0845 226 1762

    The OHC don't ask, "What causes ME?" but they do ask, "Why aren't you healing?"

    Have you ever heard of Delta and Theta brain wave patterns? Many people with ME are said to have low Delta brain wave patterns which you need for healing and restorative sleep. These cd's are supposed to balance the Theta and Delta waves and if you can sleep well you have a better chance of recovery.

    Hope this helps,
    Best wishes to all you lovely, brave people out all deserve a medal!
    Love and gentle hugs,

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  11. Diva55

    Diva55 New Member

    Hi Defor
    Interested to read your comment on the Royal Free Hospital. I unfortunately ended up in that hospital for twice & thought it the worst hospital in the world!

    Do you have the link to where you found the information on the Royal Free?

    Thanks for the other info - I shall look into it.

    Best wishes
  12. bibbbyk

    bibbbyk New Member

    A more correct spelling would be the LightEning Process.(with an "e")
    It is basically a "Process" by which ones wallet is "Lightened"....hence the name. This garbage is not new
    at is virtually the same load of crap as those stooges who are peddling "Reverse Therapy"....opportunists
    whose primary goal is to separate you from your money.
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  13. Defor

    Defor New Member

    Hi Diva55,

    I'm sorry but I don't have a link on the information about the Royal Free Hospital. I have read so many books about ME/CFS over the last twenty five years and they all tell the 'story' of ME so it's well documented. I could give you book titles or write out the actual chapters...(when I have a functioning brain cell of course!)

    I'm so sorry to hear that you had such an awful time at the Royal Free Hospital. I've never been there, thank goodness! Was it the actual hospital, the nursing staff or the treatment? I'd hate to have to go into ANY hospital these days, you might come out with something worse than you had when you went in!

    Don't you just hate that little green worm thing on the keeps making me jump when it pops up!

    Take care,

  14. JaniceBenning

    JaniceBenning New Member

    Hi Lucy, - the Lightning Process is not a cure - it is a 3 day training programme, that teaches you how to recover your health - I know about it because I had severe ME for 14 years, was hospitalised for 2 months and then my consultant recommended that I did the Lightning Process and I haven't looked back - I have now been fully well for 2 and a half years and am working and getting on with a busy life. You have to be determined to do it, but it does work for lots of people - I now teach it in the UK and work with Doctors here. There has been lots in the press in the UK about it. I was on BBC Radio talking about it on Monday - Check out my website if you want more information. Goodluck! Janice
  15. JaniceBenning

    JaniceBenning New Member

    Hi! - Me again - There is no way that anyone that teaches the Lightning Process thinks it is simply a psychological issue. ME is very much a neurological illness as recognised by the World Health Organisation and the UK does not see ME as a psychological issue. People in the ME world in the UK have worked very hard to make sure that this is the case.
  16. Bluebottle

    Bluebottle New Member

    Like everyone else zealously promoting the LP on these forums and elsewhere, and claiming it as a miracle cure, Janice Benning 'just happens' to be a practitioner who will profit by selling it.&lt;BR&gt;
    There is no way someone with severe M.E., who are defined as bed or housebound, could attend a three day course. That's nonsense and shows no understanding of the illness.&lt;BR&gt;
    Private Eye magazine ran an article last year about the people who write to newspapers etc to say that they either have been made worse or are no different after spending UK £600 on it are being threatened with legal action by Phil Parker, the person who invented it and sells the franchises. Neither he or his practitioners have recognised medical qualifications.&lt;BR&gt;
    We need biomedical research, not people selling snake oil.&lt;BR&gt;
  17. TigerLilea

    TigerLilea Active Member

    Not for one minute do I believe that you ever had CFS/ME. Emotional problems, yes, but CFS, no way!<br><br>[<i>This Message was Edited on 02/12/2010</i>]
  18. springrose22

    springrose22 New Member

    There is no way that you have ever had ME/CFS. Never. I believe you are seriously misinformed. Marie
  19. gapsych

    gapsych New Member

    Wait. When you say stuck, do you mean constipation or am I channeling the 7 day cleanse post?&lt;BR&gt;

    ETA Lucy? Lucy posted almost four years ago!!!

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  20. LadyCarol

    LadyCarol Member

    I'd like to clarify a few things if I may. It is possible for someone who has been ill with a diagnosis of CFS/ME to fully recover from their illness. If the illness is caused by a virus of some sort or the person has become exhausted and their body has gone into meltdown the body can and does in some people recover after an undefined period of time, I know of numerous cases of such people.&lt;BR&gt;
    The problem with long term chronic illness of these types is they can leave the person suffering with a psychological disposition that the person is unable to recover from. The diagnostic label CFS/ME gets stuck deep inside their memory and the individual is not able to release themselves from this mind set no matter how hard they try. For such people something like the lighting process or CBT may help such people unlock their minds to help them to recover and aid them to lead a normal life, I know of numerous cases of such people.&lt;BR&gt;
    However, a person who has been diagnosed and confirmed with a neurological disorder or diagnosed and confirmed with a virus/retrovirus resident within them will not necessarily recover and no amount of the lighting process or CBT etc. will help due to the nature of their illness.&lt;BR&gt;
    Note how I use the terms diagnosed and confirmed. Where a doctor has labeled a person with CFS/ME as a result of some unknown long term illness does not automatically mean they have a neurological disorder or a virus/retrovirus resident within them. The term CFS/ME is too often used by doctors as a means for admitting they don't know what's wrong with a person and as such it can and often does lead to misdiagnosis, misunderstanding and contention.