The show on 20/20 on ID

Discussion in 'General Health & Wellness' started by TwoCatDoctors, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    There was a show on 20/20 Investigative Discovery that was heartbreaking but a story from 2009 that men and women both should see.

    It was a story about a man in his 40's who eventually in Texas criminal court was found that he knew he had AIDS but continued to have unprotected sex with women (without telling them) and without using condoms, eventually infecting 11 women with AIDS that came forth and the state prosecuted him (the belief is that there are many more women out there that haven't come forth). He's serving time in prison right now. This scenario can happen to men or women.

    The woman were of middle class means and were past the age of needing birth control. The women said they realized they were vulnerable, having gone through recent divorce, etc. and they felt he picked them because of their vulnerability. And how many of us have been vulnerable at one time or another and might have been one of these women?

    The women said he was very adverse to using condoms and with one woman he told her that why did he have to use one; did she have something infectious she might give to him. It made her feel guilty for asking him to use one. All the women confessed that they were not really aware about the need for condoms except for birth control, and they were not awarae of AIDS except in some of the sex places. The women all agreed they should have made themselves more informed on sexually protecting themselves against AIDS and should have gotten information. [And you can get information from Planned Parenthood, County Health Departments, your own doctors, etc.]

    It was eventually found that this man was tested and told about 10 years before meeting these women that he had AIDS plus was tested and told AGAIN while he was dating one of these women. An expert was called at trial and tracked the genetics of the AIDS this man had as being the central distinctive infection of the AIDS the women had--in other words, it was positive that HE was the person who had infected them with AIDS.

    The show stated that the women had received a death sentence with this infection of AIDS. Their immune systems were now so compromised that it was anticipated they would die as a result of AIDS.

    Remember that this man looked very nice, and treated the women nicely. He repeatedly told them all he was checked yearly for AIDS and the results were negative--that was lies. It showed that you cannot take a person's word as to test results. The ladies all looked very nice and you can imagine them with children and grandchildren and the toll it has now taken on their lives and their families. It's very sad that this happened.

    [This Message was Edited on 09/13/2011]
  2. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    This guy has some serious problems with women to want to do what he did. Middle-aged and elderly people are the fastest growing population to acquire AIDS. This should be a reminder to all women not to have unprotected sex--No glove, no love!

    Our generation didn't have to worry about much except the clap and pregnancy back in the day. So many of us seem to be stuck in that mentality. That men can now get Viagra and Cialis, so they can have sex well into their dotage, doesn't help either.

    We women need to protect our hearts, our pocketbooks and our bodies against men we don't really know, no matter how charming they may seem. If a guy asks for money, it should be a HUGE red flag. Why are some women in such denial and so willing to put themselves at risk? Men, like this creep, seem to be able to spot the most vulnerable among us. I'm glad the women worked together to put this guy away but, unfortunately, it was too late for them to avoid HIV. Bless them for putting him where he can't continue to infect others.

    After my divorce, I dated nice men and I knew their friends and family. If a guy has no friends and no family, it's another red flag. I wasn't looking for a live-in relationship or marriage. I no longer date because I don't have the energy for it and am very happy to live alone. We have to be happy alone with ourselves for company before we should be looking for relationships. If I were ever to consider a serious relationship, I would do a background check on the guy. Women can be too trusting, especially if they are lonely. Am I blaming the women? No. The blame belongs to the creep. Do I think the women put themselves at risk? Absolutely.

    I hope women who needed to see the segment got to watch it. Whether they might see themselves as potential victims is another question. Denial, and the desire for love, can be blinding to even the most intelligent person.

    Love, Mikie
  3. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    I think the show was a primer for any age group. I feel like the guy had radar to focus on women's posture, facial features and expressions, gait and probably many other things to determine if they were a vulnerable target under his guidelines (whatever they were). He was an expert at picking vulnerable women.

    I really believe he has a deep hatred of women and that giving them AIDS was his way of satisfying that hatred. Maybe since he has a long sentence in prison (and he may turn out to be classified as a serial killer due to his intentionally infecting his partners with AIDS and them gradually dying), maybe psychiatrists will interview him through the years and find out what is really in his mind.

    Sadly, he is getting treatment FOR FREE in prison courtesy of the taxpayers

    [This Message was Edited on 09/15/2011]
  4. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Still, life in prison is less expensive than the death penalty with all the appeals. I think I'm in the minority but I don't believe we should have a death penalty. We know so very little about what makes a person so violent and convicted criminals could provide a lot of research which might help us understand violent behavior and the criminal mind. We know abusing children makes them vulnerable but not all abused kids turn violent. Why do some and not others? Wouldn't that be something worth knowing?

    Neurologists tested criminals at all levels and they found that a large majority of them had neurological abnormalities which were not easily faked. Again, not everyone with neurological abnormalities become criminals or violent but there could be a connection. If we could learn enough to prevent even a small percent of crimes, it would be worth it.

    In the meantime, we have to protect ourselves as best we can. You were spot on about these guys having a kind of victim radar. I've seen shows on TV which show how body language sends a victim message. I walk with a purposeful stride and stand erect. I take up space with my body and don't try to shrink so I'm invisible.

    I took a hand-to-hand combat class which helped a lot. It doesn't make me invulnerable to attack but if I'm ever attacked, I stand a better chance of getting away. I also carry a weapon if I'm going where it's not as safe. Of course, no place is safe now. When my Mom was alive and in her 90's, I always carried because she couldn't fight back or run. Her job was to drop out of the line of fire. I pray every day I never have to use my gun but I do believe in protecting my life if it's in jeopardy.

    Both my daughters have been physically attacked by larger boys, one in elementary school and one in high school. Both defended themselves and hit back hard. Word got out that they were not to be messed with. Bullies don't like strong women; they like attacking what they see as weak women. All three of us are feminine and have had successful relationships with men. Being strong doesn't mean turning into a brute. Being strong is beautiful and being able to take care of oneself is worth its weight in gold.

    Love, Mikie
  5. TwoCatDoctors

    TwoCatDoctors New Member

    I understand that the death penalty can be a bargaining chip when trying to get info. Many facing conviction may rather give up sorely needed info with the deal that they get life in prison rather than execution. So it has a bargaining function too that many forget.

    I'm a believe in the death penalty.

    To do away with the dealth penalty, I'd like to see some changes. My biggest objection is that, for example, when Manson and his followers were given the death penalty, California afterwards did away with the death penalty and it automatically commuted their sentences to life in prison WITH A CHANCE OF PAROLE--I believe that should have been WITHOUT CHANCE OF PAROLE since it was coming off the death penalty. And all of the Manson people try for parole each time. None of the girls went to a psychiatric facility to try to truly evaulate and help them for the future. Instead they went to prison, which usually has little rehabilitative value except the ability to do work there and to do some good deeds like helping others there.

    I remember the one Manson girl later in life, dying of cancer, and wanting a compassionate release from prison so she could die at home with her family and loved ones--which was at complete odds with the crimes she committed, the horribleness of the crimes, and the lack of compassion shown. The Mansion Group committed brutal crimes. She was denied release and I believe most people felt that was fair.

    I want to see a sentence of life in prison to become never getting out of prison and with no chance of parole and no judge (that is being let go himself/herself and wanting to have some revenge on the politicans), letting these people out because of prison overcrowding. I don't want to see an excuse of obesity to try to avoid prison. I don't want to see an excuse of medical conditions because there are medical facilities in prison or prison can arrange care.

    The guy in the article above is smooth and and an expert in sizing people up. But his chance at parole is a long time away, unless sometimes occurs that can jump it up. But when parole time comes, he will be smooth again with the parole board and the women on it, trying to read them and size them up, trying to sway them.

    And I believe that as the women start dying, whether the law categorizes him that way or not, that he will be a serial killer.

    [This Message was Edited on 09/19/2011]
  6. Mikie

    Mikie Moderator

    Modern industrial country in the world which still employs the death penalty. That keeps us from getting extraditions from many other countries unless we agree not to press for the death penalty. I agree that there should be life without the possibility of parole. The way it is now, it's a mess. It costs millions more to continue to go through the appeal and/or parole process than to just put these people away for life. I believe the life sentence should be imposed and that should be the end of it.

    Serving a life sentence is very hard for most prisoners. People have a mental picture of them living the good life with TV and things to read, free medical and dental care, and color TV. This isn't how most live. Most of the really violent prisoners live 23 hrs. a day in a cell the size of my condo bathroom. Despite what people may believe, people who commit the most violent crimes aren't mentally right. I'm not a bleeding heart nor do I take the side of the criminal over the victim but tests have shown that there are genetic differences in those who turn violent. Not everyone with these genes turn to lives of crime. Most have been exposed to violence in their own lives. I wish we would do more to try to understand this so we might find ways to prevent violent crimes.

    The death penalty isn't justice, it's revenge. It breaks my heart to see the families of the victims waiting for years just savoring the time when they can take their revenge on the criminal. They always talk about closure. There's no closure. It can't bring back their loved ones. They never move on with their lives. They are stuck in time. Life can never be the same after losing loved ones to crime but people have to find ways to honor their dead loved ones in ways more positive than waiting for the state to kill the criminal.

    The healthiest people I have seen are those who have forgiven the person who took their loved ones's lives. Not necessarily those who actually visit the criminal in prison but just those with forgiveness in their hearts and not revenge. I have told my children that if anything ever happens to me that they absolutely have to forgive the person who hurts or kills me. They said it would be too difficult. I told them that that doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I wouldn't want them to go on filled with anger and hate. I would want them to honor my life in more positive ways.

    As the Innocence Project has found, many people are innocent who are on death row. It is more common than people realize how many mistakes are made and how corruption and deception has put innocent people on death row. Once we execute someone, we can't fix it. Just recently, a man was released after 16 years in prison because he was proven innocent. The Innocence Project has proven more than 250 prisoners innocent of the crimes of which they were convicted.

    How sad it was to hear the audience applaud the fact that TX has executed so many criminals when Brian Williams was asking Rick Perry a question in the GOP debates. Are we really this bloodthirsty? Does this make us as violent as the criminals to whom we feel superior? Do we have any more right to take a life than criminals? Are we so smug as to believe it's OK with God to kill our brethern because somehow we are better and more righteous? These are questions which haunt me.

    Please know that I respect the beliefs of those who favor the death penalty. I am just of a different mindset. I wish we would have a national debate once and for all on the issue and settle it. It keeps bouncing around between the Supreme Court and states' rights. My advice--if you are going to commit a violent crime, don't do it in TX or FL and heaven help you if you are innocent.

    Finally, the death penalty isn't a deterrent to violent crimes. People argue that once a criminal is dead, it's a deterrent to commit further violence. True, but so is life without parole.

    Thanks for the discussion. I'm not trying to be argumentative but rather to express my feelings here. I can't remember a time when I wasn't bothered by the death penalty. I was five when a college girl, who lived across the alley from me, was murdered. The man charged with the murder was put to death and it really disturbed me. I guess it became two traumas with which a young child had to try to come to terms. I still remember the man's family who were suffering just as were the girl's family. It was horrible for a young impressionable child.

    Love, Mikie
  7. Janalynn

    Janalynn New Member

    I love watching the ID Channel!
    I remember this story. Many years ago all of the women went on Oprah and talked about their experience with this man. I remember hearing that they sat in their cars and watched other women he brought home, then followed the women and told them about him.

    One woman actually went with him to have him tested for HIV and he doctored the report saying it was negative. What a scumball. (that's tame for what I'd really like to call him)

    When you watch that channel or the news for that matter, you see how many people in this world actually have no regard for other human life. So sad.