Urine therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome/fibermyalgia

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia and ME & Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' started by erach27, Jan 24, 2007.

  1. erach27

    erach27 New Member

    Hi,
    I am manic-depressive and it seems manic-depressives have chronic fatigue syndrome / fibromyalgia as well.

    Well, I've definetely had chronic fatigue syndrome. I have always complained of being tired and not able to "get into the mood". I have always been tired in my life (and now the medications that sedate me make me even more tired).

    If you research "urine therapy chronic fatigue syndrome" you will find there is a cure for chronic fatigue syndrome. Check Shirley's web-site.

    You can also check [web site address removed as per rules].

    Yesterday I did cuddling and hugging for THREE HOURS (3 hours) without being physically tired today --- and I'm taking all my medications.

    So perhaps my chronic fatigue syndrome is under REMISSION.

    I still can do only those activities I consider worthwhile

    Well, I've been drinking my own urine for 5 months now, the diarrhoea associated with urine therapy has gone, my weight is down to 70 kg (my height is 5'9.5") and I can do activities that I LIKE.

    So perhaps you should study urine therapy at least.
    It seems the immune system puts sufficient traces of substances for BIO-FEEDBACK.
  2. ulala

    ulala New Member

    The positive side is that it's cheap! But I don't think that will go over very well here!
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  3. erach27

    erach27 New Member

    Hi,
    Do you know how much courage is required to do urine therapy ? ESPECIALLY to take urine injections (not tried it yet).

    Everybody complains about the smell of urine.
    The doctors say "your kidneys will fail. We do not know how resiude of allopathic medication will be digested if you recirculate your medication".

    Well, I am still here and I've met people in the garden who used it for burns treatment (2 " * 2" patch on his right arm burned by an iron) and cured their own diabetes and cured 2 people whose legs had water oozing out chronically.

  4. grace54

    grace54 New Member

    is sterile initially but not one of my adult beverages. I doubt too if it will catch on here. A toast to good health:)
  5. ulala

    ulala New Member

    to drink one's urine. It's socially unacceptable in our society to drink urine but never say never!

    The guy who went hiking, had a large boulder fall on his arm and cut off part of his arm to free himself drank his own urine to survive and he's still here.

    I looked at the curezone and there are many, many theories for CFS. Thanks for posting this info.
  6. Shannonsparkles

    Shannonsparkles New Member

    I was wondering if you have any articles on this?

    Thanks, and welcome to the site!
  7. PatPalmer

    PatPalmer New Member

    Great thread - I am all for urine therapy - use it myself with remarkable results from time to time... Though it took 6 months of thinking & reading about it first. Only use it when desperate... You do get used to the taste - it can also be taken with orange juice.

    I know of a woman who`s father was in hospital with cancer and only hours to live, she asked the staff to be left alone with him - she massaged her own urine into all accessible areas and he walked out unaided 3 days later...

    This article below was gleaned from NEXUS Magazine.

    Pat.

    AWAKENING THE HEALER WITHIN

    We are in a very magical era: all around us, on all levels, we are witnessing the connection between the East and the West, the ancient and the modern, spiritual heritage and science. We are so truly fortunate to be living in such an exciting time, and to be able to watch in awe the way life unfolds before our very eyes. Modern scientific research is discovering today that ancient spiritual ideas come very close to today's most recent discoveries in the field of quantum physics and vibrational healing methods.

    One such powerful practice for healing that is continuing to flourish today is Shivambu Shastra, respected for thousands of years as the "Mother of Ayurvedic Medicine" and commonly known as "Self-Urine Therapy". Shivambu means literally "Water of Shiva", referring to the auspiciousness of the practice. Its "method of drinking urine for rejuvenation" is outlined in the Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi, part of a 5,000-year-old document called the Damar Tantra, linking this practice back to the Vedas, the sacred Hindu texts. Self-urine therapy has been seen as one of the divine manifestations of cosmic intelligence, and has been used as such by Indian yogis to unleash kundalini up to their third eye.

    There is something esoteric about urine. It is considered to be a supernatural, living food because it is a by-product of the blood and contains "life force" or prana. Using urine as a therapeutic tool mirrors to us the "healer within" who works on a mechanistic level as well as on an energetic level. This implies that urine, as a holographic substance, has the ability to affect all levels of being--from the physical, through the electromagnetic fields of the emotions and the mind, up to the subtler vibrations of the soul.

    Urine is considered to be an invaluable source of nourishment and healing that perhaps has been too controversial or not financially rewarding enough for it to be talked about and encouraged as a potent medicine. One's own urine, a living food, contains elements that are specific to one's body alone. The body is constantly producing a huge variety of antibodies, hormones, enzymes and other natural chemicals to regulate and control its functions and combat imbalances that one may not be aware of.

    Clinical studies have proved that the thousands of critical body chemicals and nutrients that end up in urine reflect the individual body's functions. When re-utilised, these chemicals and nutrients act as natural vaccines, antibacterial, antiviral and anticarcinogenic agents as well as hormone balancers and allergy relievers. The information that urine contains therefore cannot be duplicated or derived from any other source. Just as nature produces no two people who are exactly the same, there are no two urine samples in the world that contain exactly the same components.


    A STERILE BY-PRODUCT OF BLOOD FILTRATION

    Urine is not a dirty and toxic substance rejected by the body. Urine is a by-product of blood filtration, not waste filtration. Medically it is referred to as "plasma ultrafiltrate". It is a purified derivative of the blood itself, made by the kidneys--whose principal function is not excretion but regulation of all the elements and their concentrations in the blood. Urine can be compared to leftovers from a meal, and this metaphor may help us understand why our bodies excrete elements that are valuable to our health and well-being.

    Nutrient-filled blood passes through the liver where toxins are removed to be excreted as solid waste. Eventually, this purified "clean" blood undergoes a filtering process in the kidneys, where excess water, salts, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, antibodies, urea, uric acid and other elements not usable at that time by the body are collected in the form of a purified, sterile, watery solution that is urine. The function of the kidneys is to keep the various elements in the blood balanced. The important elements in the blood are not filtered out because they are toxic and harmful to the body, but simply because the body does not need a particular concentration of an element at that specific point in time. It is this very regulating process of the kidneys that allows us to eat and drink more than our bodies need at any one time.


    BIOCHEMICAL COMPONENTS

    Urine is estimated to have thousands of biochemical compounds, but only 200 or so have been studied. It contains an incredible array of critically important nutrients, enzymes, hormones, natural antibodies and immune defence agents.

    Some of these components are well worth further consideration--such as allantoin (also found in comfrey, known as "bone-knit", and in aloe vera, which guards against sunburn); the amino acid creatinine (popular with body-builders); DHEA hormone (proven by research to have anti-ageing, anticancer and anti-obesity properties); melatonin (known for its calming effect while strengthening the physical body and immunity); and sex hormones such as testosterone, androgen and oestrogen.

    In view of such an array of ingredients, it is easier to understand urine's antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, antineoplastic, anticonvulsive and antispasmodic effects.

    Dr A. H. Free published in his book, Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice, a list of constituents which in 1975 was by no means exhaustive:

    ¥ Alanine
    ¥ Arginine
    ¥ Ascorbic acid
    ¥ Allantoin
    ¥ Amino acids
    ¥ Bicarbonate
    ¥ Biotin
    ¥ Calcium
    ¥ Creatinine
    ¥ Cystine
    ¥ Dopamine
    ¥ Epinephrine
    ¥ Folic acid
    ¥ Glucose
    ¥ Glutamic acid
    ¥ Glycine
    ¥ Inositol
    ¥ Iodine
    ¥ Iron
    ¥ Lysine
    ¥ Magnesium
    ¥ Manganese
    ¥ Methionine
    ¥ Nitrogen
    ¥ Ornithine
    ¥ Pantothenic acid
    ¥ Phenylalanine
    ¥ Phosphorus, organic
    ¥ Potassium
    ¥ Proteins, total
    ¥ Riboflavin
    ¥ Tryptophan
    ¥ Tyrosine
    ¥ Urea
    ¥ Vitamin B6
    ¥ Vitamin B12
    ¥ Zinc

    ACTIONS, BENEFITS AND APPLICATIONS

    Anything that was in the blood cannot be harmful to the person that it came from. Besides, when taken internally, the urine does not go straight into the bloodstream but travels through the digestive system, where its constituents are sorted out. The useful ones are used up again, while others are rejected as solid waste. When the level of toxins in the blood increases, this stimulates the intestines and the lymphatic system into flushing themselves out to eliminate any stagnated excrements accumulated in the colon. The amount of toxins found in the urine of each person is related to the amount of stagnated excrement in the colon. So the toxins, in such minute amounts in urine, stimulate a cleansing reaction in each individual and vaccinate and protect the body from illnesses.

    Studies on urea, considered the poisonous organic solid in urine, have shown it is converted into an essential amino acid once it is recycled by ingestion, helping our bodies use protein more efficiently. Urea has also been proven to be an extraordinarily effective antibacterial and antiviral agent, one of the best natural diuretics and one of the most effective skin moisturisers ever discovered. Urea actually increases the water-binding capacity of the skin by opening skin layers for hydrogen bonding and thus attracting moisture to dry skin cells. As a natural diuretic, it is unparalleled and is also widely prescribed in cases of oedema or swelling, glaucoma, epilepsy and meningitis and to reduce excess cerebral and spinal pressure. Urea is an FDA-approved medicinal agent, and its remarkable and comprehensive antineoplastic properties are well utilised in anticancer drugs and treatments.

    Even uric acid, normally thought of as a waste product that can cause gout, has tremendous medicinal implications, such as acting as a defence against cancer and ageing by actively destroying free radicals.

    Urokinase, an enzyme also found in urine, is used in drug form to dissolve blood clots and is widely used for unblocking coronary arteries in victims of heart attacks.

    One of the world's largest fertility drug&endash;producing companies makes use of the ovulation-enhancing hormone in human urine to make Pergonal, reported to have had US$855 million in sales in 1992 (a figure that has continued to increase since then).

    More examples of commercial medical applications of urine and urea in use today include: Murine Ear Drops and Murine Ear Wax Removal System; Ureaphil, a diuretic made from urea; Urofollotropin, a urine-extract fertility drug; Ureacin, a urea cream for skin problems; Amino-Cerv, a urea cream used for cervical treatments; Premarin, a urine-extract oestrogen for skin ulcers, burns, infected wounds, and other purposes.

    A SUBTLE SCIENCE

    Most urine therapists have never sought a scientific explanation for why or how it works; their own experiences have proven to be more than sufficient. However, as modern medicine's interest in the powerful healing aspects of Shivambu Shastra grows, more research is being undertaken and a lot is being revealed to substantiate scientifically the therapy's very rich history in healing.

    Ayurveda considers disease to be caused by a shift in the internal metabolic balance, manifested as the five elements of aether, air, fire, water and earth in that individual. To create health involves rebalancing that unique metabolism to attain elemental equilibrium.

    In scientific terms, one can consider self-urine therapy as an extension of the methods of Jenner and Pasteur, as auto-inoculation or self-vaccination. Certain bodily substances which have been removed from the body, some of which may have been produced as a result of an imbalance, are re-introduced into the body in small amounts and re-absorbed into the blood through either the intestines or the skin. This gives the immune system all the information that it needs and the chance to react appropriately to achieve homeostasis.

    Coen van der Kroon, in his book The Golden Fountain, proposes what he calls the "transmutation theory" for the underlying mechanics of Shivambu Shastra. His proposal is coherent in terms of the visible shift in recent times from reductionism to holism in scientific research. The theory implies that the body is capable, through energy exchange, to "short-circuit" the system by ingesting its own secreted body fluids to stimulate the transmutational forces within and challenge the body to transform unusable substances into usable ones. Van der Kroon proposes that self-urine therapy could possibly restructure disturbed DNA, especially if one is fasting on urine.

    The medical doctor and urine therapist Dr Johann Abele puts it as such:
    ...the question rises as to whether urine could possibly be considered to be a sort of liquid hologram. Once the body is made conscious of urine in an unconventional way (such as it being reintroduced into the body by intramuscular injection or by ingesting it), the whole organism evaluates it and subsequently updates its own regulating mechanisms...

    An important aspect of this theory is the concept of "structured water". Both the body and urine are mainly made up of water, in varying degrees of molecular organisation. The more water molecules are organised, the more efficiently enzymes responsible for digestion, absorption and transmutation can do their job.

    It has been proven that water molecules in biological systems become more organised through exposure to sunlight and through close contact with crystals. The body is a receptor of sunlight and contains a high amount of solid and liquid crystalline-like substances; indeed, body fluids themselves form fluid crystals.

    Urine itself is a crystalline-like substance containing a high amount of structured water, and when retaken it promotes a better enzymatic functioning and higher solubility for minerals, thus improving health and increasing energy reserves. Seeing urine as a liquid crystal implies that it contains vibrations completely in tune with the vibrational condition of the body it comes from. Re-ingestion might give the body valuable vibrational information needed for two things: first, for maintaining the existing healthy body resonance, and second, for counteracting disease or stress vibrations and any unhealthy resonance in the body. By way of example, disharmonious sounds can been counteracted by employing the same sounds.

    The vibratory patterns of the body, both in the bones (solid crystals) and in the tissues and fluids (liquid crystals), play an important role in the process of transmutation. The resonance field of a crystal can make a protein, for example, change its form into one that is more useful for the body or more easily adaptable by it. This can be described as "modern alchemy", and it resonates with the principles of homoeopathy.

    Homoeopathy refers to a therapeutic method which clinically applies the "law of similars" and uses medically active substances at infinitesimal doses and never at full strength, where the original substance has undergone a dilution process. When the body is given a homoeopathic remedy, it is stimulated into action not because of the physical or chemical nature of the substance but because of the energetic nature that is received through new vibratory information.

    Isopathy is another valid hypothesis worth considering. Once microbes have evolved in the blood to a pathogenic level, then de-evolving them back to a stage where they are less harmful would facilitate recovery. The primary way to do this is through diet to rebalance the pH in the blood. But in severe cases, the process can be accelerated biologically, as demonstrated by Professor Enderlein's results from his research on the development life cycle of the internal parasite. A rather evolved pathogenic microbe causing disease in the body can be mated with the same type of microbe at an earlier developmental stage to breed a form that is less strong and non-pathogenic. This process is probable since the colloids or somatids are in fact so small that they are unfilterable by the kidneys; therefore, once urine is consumed, one can receive a dose of these pure somatids which biologically proceed to support the immune function and possibly lead to taking the pathogenic microbes in the blood back down to apathogenic states. This is the basis of isopathic remedies; they promote gentle yet effective self-healing through biological means.

    Allergy treatment illustrates this method quite well. By using the same substance that is causing the allergy and reintroducing it to the body, the immune system is allowed to develop antibodies to the antigen receptors found in the urine to stop the allergic response.



    HEALTH POINTERS FOR SELF-THERAPY

    To begin with, Dr Beatrice Bartnett (author of Urine Therapy &endash; It May Save Your Life) suggests making a prayer, thanking our bodies for providing us with this divine elixir, and drinking the urine slowly, willingly and with cheerfulness! This is all very well, considering that most people who start drinking urine find the taste much too sour, bitter or pungent and the odour way too strong. Even if the urine is diluted, they may experience nausea, headaches and other strong reactions before they get used to it and start seeing results.

    Martha Christy (author of Your Own Perfect Medicine) suggests not taking copious amounts of water to flush out the kidneys, as this dilutes the healing properties of the urine.

    It is good to remember that urine is a mere sample of what is flowing through the body's veins, and any repulsion should be used as a motivation to improve the internal conditions rather than as an excuse for not using this miraculous therapy for creating health.

    Urine is actually less toxic and more alive than much of the food and drink that we take into our bodies, which somehow manage to digest the junk foods and devitalised liquids and still produce a valuable, medicinal drink. However, how much more valuable for medicinal and cleansing purposes if the urine is the product of a body fed healthy, natural, organic and raw foods?

    Drinking urine makes us think seriously about what we eat. Since it is a by-product of the blood, it makes sense that the cleaner the blood is, the healthier the urine will be. But even urine from relatively unhealthy blood contains valuable immunological factors that can improve health if recycled. Urine drinking's cleansing effect on the blood can be observed by the change in taste and the colour of the urine: as it is more and more recycled, it becomes purer and clearer. If one has difficulty urinating--and it has been said that a weak flow is a sign of a weak life-force-- then this practice actually strengthens the flow of urine, consequently increasing the vital life-force.

    Ingesting more toxic substances in the body, however, may neutralise the good effects of self-urine therapy. So it is recommended that anyone embarking on the therapy give up tobacco in all forms and restrict consumption of cold drinks, spices, fried foods, junk foods, refined foods and sugars as much as possible. Above all, it is best to avoid alcohol, meat and coffee as well as recreational drugs. It is also advisable to follow a low-salt, low-protein diet.

    Like all other natural therapies, this is not a treatment that needs to be stopped after the relief of certain symptoms, but can be incorporated into one's health regime. More subtle, yet very real effects of this therapy as a lifestyle choice include feeling stronger, more relaxed, more self-confident, invigorated and generally happier and lighter emotionally and physically.



    SELF-THERAPY METHODS

    The middle stream of fresh, warm, morning urine is the most potent, and drinking it mixed with freshly squeezed orange juice is probably the fastest way to accomplish this task, although it is best not to mix urine with other foods or drinks or to take it within an hour before or after eating.

    Oral drops of fresh urine can be placed directly under the tongue. Urine therapists suggest their patients start with 1&endash;5 drops of fresh morning urine on the first day, increase to 5&endash;10 drops on the second day, and take 5&endash;10 drops on the morning of the third day and the same amount that evening before going to bed. Once patients feel comfortable with this therapy, they can gradually increase the amount as they see fit to obtain the results required for their body's condition. Over time, they can learn to adjust the amount that is needed by observing their reactions to the therapy; their dosage may become as much as one full cup at a time!

    Self-urine may be used as eye drops and ear drops, in foot baths and even as effective enemas. Nose drops can help loosen mucus and clear up blocked nasal passages. Gargling with it is helpful for a sore throat, and inhaling it relieves sinus and respiratory congestion. Taken internally, it has a laxative and diuretic effect, as it cleanses the digestive tract.

    Dr John Armstrong (author of The Water of Life) emphasises the need to massage with urine. He insists that cures work faster and more effectively in those who are bathed, massaged, rubbed and soaked in their own urine. He highly recommends it for more serious illnesses, since urine is absorbed through the skin and the hormonal and protein-based contents are slowly reabsorbed into the system, bypassing digestive juices that otherwise may have neutralised their potency. In this way, it also works as an excellent cosmetic for moisturising and healing skin blemishes, burns and scar tissue. However, for this usage, it is preferable to use urine that is 4&endash;8 days old. The smell of ammonia in the old urine is not toxic but actually beneficial if used topically only, and not taken internally.



    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

    Can a woman drink her urine during her menses?
    Yes, and although the urethra and the vagina are two separate organs, there is nothing in the menstrual fluid that can harm a person if it is accidentally mixed with urine.

    Can a person drink their urine while on medications?
    The short answer is no, because of the remote possibility of overdosing on any particular medication by recycling the portion of what is discharged in urine. However, hormone, vitamin and mineral supplements can be taken while drinking urine, as long as the intake is frequently monitored and the amounts reduced accordingly as the imbalance improves.

    In what cases can Shivambu Shastra be used?
    Regarded truly as a "panacea", Shivambu Shastra is said to be effective in over 175 health conditions. Diagnosis plays no practical part in the therapy, since the urine sample reflects so perfectly the individual's most intimate details about the state of their health. In fact, it works brilliantly on the more subtle health imbalances that are very real, yet often too evasive to label medically.
    Urine can be massaged topically for the most chronic and stubborn skin problems, such as acne, eczema, psoriasis, ringworm, sores, fungal infections, insect bites, wounds, burns and even gangrene.
    Internally, the therapy is said to be effective in treating AIDS (since the AIDS antibodies are found in urine) as well as cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, anaemia, all sorts of urinary diseases, weight loss, colds and flus, candida, diabetes, digestive problems, jaundice and more. It has been medically proven to work against polio and tuberculosis, and doctors have injected it intramuscularly to treat immunological illnesses such as psoriasis, basal cell carcinoma and asthma, to name a few.

    Why does urine therapy seem ineffective in some cases?
    There are times when there is a chronic deficiency of one or several minerals, and in such cases there is none of that mineral in the urine; therefore, although the general health and other metabolic imbalances in that person improve, that particular problem may remain the same. For instance, a diabetic person may need to take chromium for the cells to use blood sugar and vanadium to produce insulin. These supplements may be necessary to eradicate diabetes or any other blood sugar problem that is not correctable with self-urine therapy.



    A GOLDEN FUTURE
    Although much attention has been focused on many elements in urine and their potential for medical use, comprehensive research has not yet been conducted on urine as a total entity that is therapeutically applied.
    Still to be proven are the theories regarding how and why urine therapy works--so let us welcome and support the scientific community that is interested in undertaking studies using urine as a total entity.
    More than 600 scientists--many of whom believe that human urine can treat everything from baldness to cancer and AIDS--gathered in Goa, India, for the First World Conference on Auto-Urine Therapy in February 1996. The Second World Conference on Auto-Urine Therapy was held in Germany in 1998.
    These are certainly signs that Shivambu Shastra is flourishing all over the world, and that people are ready to take responsibility for their own health and well-being and are ready to overcome their prejudices and open their minds to embrace such an ancient spiritual and magical practice.
    It is certainly crucial in these times, when we ache for deeper healing, that Shivambu Shastra be acknowledged and adopted as a valid and profoundly effective method of creating health in body, mind and spirit.

    Author's Note:
    The material in this paper is not intended to replace medical treatments. It is an attempt to broaden the awareness of Shivambu Shastra. Readers interested in Self-Urine Therapy are encouraged to discuss it with their health practitioner.

    References:
    ¥ Armstrong, John (Dr), The Water of Life, Health Science Press, Rupa and Co., 1990.
    ¥ Bartnett, Beatrice (Dr), Urine Therapy &endash; It May Save Your Life, Lifestyle Institute, 1994.
    ¥ Christy, Martha M., Your Own Perfect Medicine, Futuremed, 1996.
    ¥ Desai, Morarji, Miracles of Urine Therapy, Pankaj Books, 1998.
    ¥ Free, A. H. (Dr), Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice, CRC Press, Cleveland, 1975.
    ¥ Van der Kroon, Coen, The Golden Fountain: The Complete Guide to Urine Therapy, Amethyst Books, 1996.


    About the Author:
    Natalia Perera has a BA in Psychology and an MA in International Relations from the University of New South Wales in Sydney. She studied mind-body medicine and natural therapies at Nature Care College, Sydney, focusing on Ayurvedic medicine and bodywork and also undertook three years of practical training in gestalt therapy. She is passionate about integrating the sciences of Ayurveda and yoga with the arts of holistic counselling and bodywork to facilitate deep healing and create health on the foundations of a higher consciousness.

    Upon completion of her studies, Natalia worked in India as a duty doctor at a prominent Ayurvedic hospital in Kerala for some months. She returned to Australia in 2001 and set up her clinic, Saffronrose, in Woollahra, Sydney. Natalia takes clients through an in-depth consultation to determine their natural constitution and identify the imbalances underlying their health symptoms. Final Note from Duncan: If this article has whetted your appetite, please consider also reading our previous article several years ago on the same subject. It is about a woman dying of endometriosis who cured herself using Urine Therapy.

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  8. ChristineInPA

    ChristineInPA New Member

    I have a hard time understanding why we should put something BACK into our body that our body filtered out as a toxin.

    I know there are a ton of "medical" facts out there and a million "success" stories, but our body rejected that fluid on purpose.

    If it was so healthy and useful, our body would keep it and use it. To me, it's the same as ingesting our own feces. It's not the "gross-out" factor to me as much as simple biology.

    I'm happy for anyone that finds comfort.
  9. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    christineinpa,

    What pataplmer has posted clearly states that urine is not a means to excrete toxins. And that it’s the liver that excretes toxins as solid matter. So urine is not therefore comparable to faeces.

    The body excretes urine, according to the article, because it doesn’t need it straightaway and can’t store it, other than beyond the capacity of the bladder.
  10. Mini4Me

    Mini4Me New Member

    No way would you EVER get me to do this!!
    Mini
  11. springrose22

    springrose22 New Member

    They do not automatically go together. I lived with a manic depressive and he sure didn't have CFS or FM. CFS doesn't mean you are tired or "can't get into the mood", it means you are very sick. Take care. Marie<br>[<i>This Message was Edited on 01/25/2007</i>]
  12. erach27

    erach27 New Member

    Hi,
    Are you sure that it is the liver which excretes toxins as solid faecal matter ?

    What is the pathway for that ?

    Erach
  13. blueski31717

    blueski31717 New Member

    I see several complications. Urine is a way to excrete wastes from the body ie chemical-medications / protein- urea etc. Your body gets rid of these wastes yes ie toxins from your body because your body does not need them. Urine also excretes germs if your body has an infection...Every one to his or hers own doings but as for me.. if my body says I didn't need it the first time I probably don't need it the second time around.
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  14. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    I'm not taking a position on this topic.

    But the article posted above does say that drinking urine whilst on medication is to be avoided because traces of the drug can be recycled, which may mean that an excessive dose is consumed. On the other hand it could be a way of using less of a drug and saving money.

    Of couse the urinary tract can be infected so drinking urine at this time would not be advisable.

    I don't accept that urine can contain "germs", when we have an infection, that could continue to attack our immune system if we were to drink our urine.

    Cheers!
  15. that is so ewwwwwwwwwwwwww,.............. gag me with a spoon!!
  16. BobinGermany

    BobinGermany New Member

    In one of the articles posted it said....

    Seeing urine as a liquid crystal implies that it contains vibrations completely in tune with the vibrational condition of the body it comes from. Re-ingestion might give the body valuable vibrational information needed for two things: first, for maintaining the existing healthy body resonance, and second, for counteracting disease or stress vibrations and any unhealthy resonance in the body. By way of example, disharmonious sounds can been counteracted by employing the same sounds.

    Now we have to have the correct vibrations in our urine or what? Someone is on drugs here and I don't mean the drugs we take for pain! :)

    Hey... I just found out a job I can do from home. Pee sales!!!! LOL The pee with vibrations will cost ya extra!

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  17. bigmama2

    bigmama2 New Member

    I just had my morning smoothie - strawberry-bananna-tinkle.
    It was de-lish!



    But seriously if dringing urine helps someone I'm happy for them, but I don't think I'll try it anytime soon.


    Bigmama2
  18. FOYBOYFOY

    FOYBOYFOY New Member

    I THINK ILL STICK TO DIET COKE BUT THANKS !!!!!!!
  19. u34rb

    u34rb New Member

    foyboyfoy,

    Okay, stick to diet coke, but how many times are you going to drink it?
  20. Catseye

    Catseye New Member

    Urine, 95% of which is water, 2.5% of which is urea, and 2.5% of which is a mixture of minerals, salts, hormones, and enzymes, is not a toxic waste product. Urine is a blood byproduct and though it contains some body waste, it is non-toxic.

    Still sound gross?

    Urea's commercial uses include:

    As a component of fertilizer and animal feed, providing a relatively cheap source of fixed nitrogen to promote growth.

    As an additive ingredient in cigarettes, designed to enhance flavour.

    Sometimes used as a browning agent in factory-produced pretzels.

    As an ingredient in some hair conditioners, facial cleansers, bath oils and lotions.

    As an ingredient in many tooth whitening products.

    Manufacturers aren't going to advertise that their products contain pee, so they'll use this word instead:

    CARBAMIDE
    : Urea. Imidazolidinyl Urea. Uric Acid. Found in urine and other body fluids. Also produced synthetically In deodorants, ammoniated dentifrices, mouthwashes, hair colorings, hand creams, lotions, shampoos, etc. Used to "brown" baked goods such as pretzels.


    Do you want to know more about Carbamide?

    Urea is an organic compound of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen, with the formula CON2H4 or (NH2)2CO.

    Urea is also known as carbamide, especially in the recommended International Non-proprietary Names (rINN) in use in Europe. For example, the medicinal compound hydroxyurea (old British Approved Name) is now hydroxycarbamide. Other names include carbamide resin, isourea, carbonyl diamide, and carbonyldiamine.

    Sometimes used as a browning agent in factory-produced pretzels.
    Urea is used in topical dermatological products to promote rehydration of the skin. If covered by an occlusive dressing, 40% urea preparations may also be used for nonsurgical debridement of nails.

    Here's the ingredient list of a frozen garlic bread:

    INGREDIENTS: Bread Made With, Water, Wheat Flour Enriched [ Wheat Flour, Barley Malted Flour, Niacin, Iron Reduced, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid], Wheat Gluten Vital, Wheat Protein Isolate [ Wheat Gluten, Lactic Acid Sulfite], Oat(s) Fiber, Dough Conditioner(s) [ Soy Protein Concentrate, Soy Flour, Wheat Flour, Wheat Starch, Lecithin, Calcium Salts, Garlic Powder, Ascorbic Acid, Carbamide, Azodicarbonamide, Enzymes], Yeast, Butter [ Cream, Salt], Salt, Maltitol, Mono Diglycerides, Spread Made With, Butter [ Cream, Salt], Water, Garlic Powder, Salt, Onion(s) Powder, Natural Flavor(s), Annatto color(s)

    Did you catch the pee?

    Don't think of urine therapy as something you've never tried before, you've just never KNOWN you were trying it!

    I know someone who does it daily and he's very healthy. I haven't done it but don't put it down because you insist people shouldn't ingest pee. We've already BEEN ingesting it and putting it all over our skin and hair.


    karen