Vicodin slam on TV

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by shari1677, Nov 13, 2009.

  1. shari1677

    shari1677 New Member

    As I was watching one of my favorite shows, I witnessed a slam about people on Vicodin.

    In short, a person was prescribed Vicodin for a back injury. He was prescribed 120 pills at a time. He had 2 empty bottles which had been prescribed over THE PAST YEAR.

    It was relayed that how could any person take THAT much Vicodin???

    I sat there and glared at the TV - along with my daughter. I take Vicodin on a daily basis for my FM pain, and my doc prescribes 120 pills at a time. That lasts me about 20/25 days.

    Anyway - I dont think it negatively protrayed prescription narcotics when used correctly on TV.

    I get so sick of this. Whats wrong with being in chronic pain and using the medication AS PRESCRIBED??? People who dont have chronic pain dont know what its like. They can say all they want - nothing else has worked for me.
  2. cathugs

    cathugs New Member

    Shari, I agree with you 100% My dr. prescribes me 90
    pills per month, and he writes the script with 5 refills as I see him every 6 mo.

    I have fibro and osteoarthritis in all my joints, along with neuropathy. If I didn't have the vicodin I couldn't make it.

    As it is it only makes the pain bearable. People that do not have our pain just do not understand and some simply just do not care.

    I am not a drug addict. I take my meds only as prescribed.
    I know I am dependent on them, yes. I depend on them to
    help me make it through another day.

    And yet even with the drugs ,there are days that I stay in bed most of the day. And every day I have to make my self get out of bed to just face another day of pain.

    Sorry for the long rant, but I am with you on this.

    May God Bless, and have a good night.

  3. wendysj

    wendysj New Member

    Hi shari1677,

    I agree with you 100%. I refused to take narcotics for years because I didn't want to chance being addicted. I was also in denial about my condition and thought I could eventually "beat" it. Unfortunatley, my condition got worse and I was left no choice but to take pain medicine to continue working.

    We have to be very confident in ourselves and why we take the medication. Take it only when we have pain and we'll be fine. I hope one day soon, there will be an actual treatment for our dd.

    Hang in there. We're with you!
  4. kjade

    kjade New Member

    Wendysj, I could have written the same post! I have been JUST LIKE YOU! I refused for years to take pain meds, because I was afraid of becoming addicted, or afraid it would harm my body over time. But recently I gave in and started taking the Vicodin. I too was in total denial about my illness, but I am now trying to accept the fact that I am not getting any better, and that just like a person with diabetes needs their insulin shots, I need my pain meds to help me feel better.

    I must admit that I am slightly embarrassed to tell anyone I take Vicodin. There is such a stigma attached to it. Like if you take it, you are just a "druggie" who wants to be high. What people without chronic pain DON'T understand, is that Vicodin does not make me feel "high" at all. It just lessens my pain. And my rx is for 120 pills a month. Anytime I pick it up at the pharmacy, I always wonder in the back of my mind what they are thinking when they give me the prescription. I wonder if they look down on me because I am prescribed so many meds that other people would want just to get to get high.

    I agree with you completely Shari. This illness is so really is.
  5. munch1958

    munch1958 Member

    My FM doctor has about 1,500 FM patients in his practice. I found him through the Co-Cure Good Doctor List on this board. He has written a really good book on the topic of low serotonin, low hormones and high stress being the biggest factors with this illness.

    Everyone with this crud needs to have their hormones tested. I believe high cytokines from infections damage the hypothalamus which in turn shuts off our hormones. There seems to be some hormones that control pain that have been shut off in this process. As a result, some of us have pain issues that no narcotic ever fixes. Plus many of us don't detox like we should because of low glutathione levels.

    Getting hormones in the right range, which is the upper 3/4 percent of "normal" is the key. Pituitary, thyroid and adrenals are the most important hormones for us.

    Based on my own personal experience, I think the thyroid is the biggest factor in the development of FM. See Dr Jonathon Lowe's web site for info on the metabolic rehab of FM patients. The cornerstone treatment of the FFC clinic is also thyroid meds especially T3.

    Pain meds are routinely prescribed by true FM specialists because unrelenting and untreated chronic pain is one of the MOST awful forms of chronic stress. Some pain clinics will not prescribe pain meds for FM patients because they are addicting. They will prescribe them for "bone" pain disorders but not muscle or soft tissue. I've had both types of pain and the muscle pain is far worse. That's a double standard that they also need to look at too.

    Going to the doctor for a refill on a pain medication is sort of like hunting for poison anymore. They act like you are taking rat poison or something with their comments like....

    Doctor: "I just gave you 30 pills a month ago. Why are you back already?"

    Patient: "Well, it's been 4 weeks and this is my normal follow-up return appointment. The bottle of pain pills said take one pill every 4-6 hours. So I did and ran out 25 days ago. Six pills a day only lasts for 5 days!"

    Pain clinic doctors are much worse. Many want to do lots of procedures on patients and they don't like to hand out narcotics. A pain clinic won't ever tell you how to get rid of pain either.

    A person in the USA could go to hundreds of doctors with a raging and obvious hormone problem. Almost no one but holistic doctors will check hormones. That is the biggest reason why we end up seeing those doctors. They sort of end up with all the difficult cases that no one else wants because none of the other specialties ever tests hormones.

    Instead most doctors rely on passing out antidepressants like candy. Those are OK too as long as they are truly needed. My doctor does at least try herbal supplements like St John's Wort before resorting to RX meds for low serotonin. He is one of the few doctors that actually tests neurotransmitters BEFORE prescribing ADs to see if you really need them. (see for info on neurotransmitter testing.)

    Personally, I think every FM doctor is missing the boat on underlying infections contributing to the CFS and FM problem. But now that they've discovered XMRV as a possible cause who knows if they'll change their thinking.

    I to was furious with a recent Oprah show where they had some stupid quiz on how to tell if you are a pain pill addict. Based on their questions anyone taking narcotics "could" be one.

    BTW Jam, most people take a stool softener or eat prunes to combat constipation issues when using narcotics. That is one useful tip that I actually got at a pain clinic. However, when I'm on the right dose of T3 I don't even need to take anything because my constipation issues don't exist.
  6. ilovepink4

    ilovepink4 Member

    I take percocet....I have been on it for about 7 years...i also use the fentanal patch......

    My RX is for 180 pills for a month....i have been at this dose for about 4 years steady....

    I don't get high....i don't feel anything other than a slight reduction of pain.....but, if I cut back, the pain gets nasty.....I like that my pain control is steady .....

    I am mostly bed bound....although, I do lots of chores around the house and then scoot back to bed before I over do things....

    I don't give a shite what anyone says or thinks about what I take....unless they spend a day in my body they can just shut up....

    We are in desperate need of educating the public and the MD's about pain control.....I am not ashamed of being prescribed my pain medication!

    My heart goes out to all the people who need help and can't get it....I am sooooo sorry for you!

    If taking pain meds shortens my life, I say bring it on....i will gladly trade in some time if the time I have is tolerable!
  7. Juloo

    Juloo Member

    I had a shoulder injury a few months ago. It was really painful right after it happened. My regular doctor prescribed steroids and Vicodin. The steroids helped with the swelling, and the V was for the pain. Mine said 1 or 2 tablets every 4-6 hours. Can't doctors do math? I got 50. It takes 2 to kill the pain to a reasonable level (I'd say I was at an 8.5 out of 10 on the pain scale). IF I TOOK THEM STRICTLY AS PRESCRIBED, the 50 tablets would have been used at the rate of 2X4 to 2X6 a day...or 8 to 12 a day. What's that...4 to 6 days?

    But I wasn't taking them that often except for the first day or two. No, I stretched those things out over the course of 2 1/2 weeks, when I re-injured my shoulder again. The doctor prescribed me another 50 at the 3 to 4 weeks mark...and I was only taking those on the days after I had physical therapy. So, say, two doses of two tablets a day. At 4 a day, and taking them only once or twice a week, they would last a really long time.

    Another month went by. PT was helping, although it had since stopped. Two to four days would go by with the pain slowly ramping up to about a 7 to 8. When that happened, I would take two V in the morning, and by the afternoon, the pain was down. The only thing about taking them so far apart is that I don't have a chance to get rid of the fuzzy/foggy feeling like when I was taking them regularly.

    So I went in for an MRI and then to see a specialist about whether or not I need surgery. He asked me my pain levels (I said anywhere from 2 to 8). He asked me about pain relief, and I said I only took something when the pain got unbearable, and that was happening about once or twice a week now. When he found out what I was taking, he started going off on Rush Limbaugh and some sports people I don't know, and I was thinking that I wonder what someone did to him that he's so freaked about this. He told me I could get addicted (at once a week!!!?!), and that he wanted me completely off of them.

    He was going off on this so much that I didn't even tell him that I *don't* have an open-ended prescription, and that all I had left was about a dozen tablets. When I asked him what he suggested for pain, he said to take something OTC,

    Well DUH. If that had worked, I wouldn't have needed the other stuff.

    Now I have a follow-up with him on Tuesday, and I really think that I need to address this situation agin with him. The steroid shot he gave me has helped...but I am still having intermittent pain on a level of 4 to 5. I don't need anything heavy for that. So I am not asking for anything.

    But honestly, why should I feel like I should just bear the worse pain just because the doctor is clueless. I'd heard such good things about him, but I was taken aback at how the mention of pain relief just flipped him out. It was as if he stopped listening to me altogether.

  8. wendysj

    wendysj New Member

    Hi Kjade,

    I understand what you mean about a diabetic person needing their insulin - I am Type 1 Diabetic with an insulin pump!

    There was a post recently about happiness w/ chronic illness. It said you have to accept this new life of limitation in order to continue living and be happy too! I agree with it so much, I sent it to my family. As soon as I embraced the fact that I need to find a way to LIVE with this disease, I got much happier!

    I used to feel embarrassed too... Especially when the doctor uped my prescription to 120 a month. I do NOT feel embarrassed anymore. I know I tried everything I could for years without having to take pain medicine but I can not function without them. I will not apologize to anyone for doing what I must to LIVE.

    I only take them when I'm in pain - not a second before. My doctor said as long as I did that, I would be less likely to develop a habit.

    I am happy to hear you are no longer in denial. I can promise you, you can have a happy life within these limitations. My councelor says being happy is a choice. I finally understand what she means by that...

    Wishing you the best.
  9. Janalynn

    Janalynn New Member

    This irks me. So pain meds for bone pain or other pain, is less "addicting"? For those that take pain meds for true chronic pain, addiction (in it's true meaning of the word) is very unlikely. Read about it. Yes dependency is a natural body occurence, nothing we've done wrong or should be embarassed about.

    I never get a high from my pain meds - as mentioned, just a subtle reduction in pain, and sometimes only to about 50%. I'll take it. Chronic pain that ONLY pain meds that can help is horrific pain. It is not aches and pains, it is pain that you can't often even talk through. It is sometimes that kind of writhing pain. The kind that makes you wonder if you can go on, that makes you want to sleep to TRY to forget about it for just a few minutes.

    To me, any Dr. that won't prescribe it because it's addictive is uneducated. So what? We may need relief for life. There is literally no "ceiling" to pain medication. I've been told this by two different Dr's. If you are prescribed the right kind of medication, you can avoid the damage ro your liver. Long term, stay away from the Tylenol. Fortunately I have two Dr.s who believe in relieving my pain - who know that quality of life is more important than suffering.

    Fortunately I don't get constipated because I have IBS -D, so they make me "normal'.
    I don't think any of us who take pain meds want to "have to" take them. We'd rather not have any pain at all.

    BTW - I'm on thyroid meds even through my labs were fine. I haven't noticed any change in my pain at all.

    Also, who is the say that the amount of pills per month is too much? It's known by those to take them that often they do not last as long (the relief) as many think they do. Also the tolerance can happen quickly for some.

    I guess sometime I get defensive when people say pain meds are bad or toxic because we have no choice in order to get some relief. We feel horrible enough as it is. We're already sometimes in disbelief that we've had to take this route. We can't believe that our lives are where they are. I am envious of those that don't need that kind of relief.

    I could never go through a detox or rehab program as I would still be left with pain. Then what?
  10. loto

    loto Member

    I take 7.5 norco, 8 of them per day. So far, it's the only pain med that helps me. I can only get 80 prescribed to me at a time. So, every 10 days I'm off to the pharmacy to get my refill.

    I'd just like to tell the people who look down on people like us who take these regularly..."don't talk about something you know nothing about!!!!!" We deserve to have a good quality of life also! Living with chronic pain is not a good quality of life. These narcotics help us, so the people who think of us as drug addicts can #$&* OFF!!!!!
  11. Spacey

    Spacey Member

    I take percocet for pain, as needed. Iv'e been taking it for years. Have tried lots of other things, but I find that narcotic drugs have a lot less side effects than neurologic drugs. I know I wouldn't want to be without it. Spacey
  12. lvjesus

    lvjesus Member

    All I can say is that anyone who thinks I am "getting high" off mine is an idiot. I get 30 a month. People who take them to get high would take more than that in ONE DAY.

    And for that matter, if you are an addict, even 120 would not last more than a few days. I knew a girl who got addicted and wound up in jail for forging prescriptions and she was taking something like 20 AT A TIME. Stupid doctor gave her a script for 100 when she broke her tailbone and when she went back to tell him she was addicted, he dropped her as a patient. Nice, huh?

    People are stupid.. Sorry :-(

    I have pain EVERY DAY and I often wonder what people around me would do in my shoes.