Vitamins raise death rate by 5%!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Fibromyalgia Main Forum' started by darude, Feb 28, 2007.

  1. darude

    darude New Member

    Antioxidant vitamins not life savers
    High doses may even be detrimental, but multivitamins okay, review finds

    People who take antioxidant vitamins such as A, C and E -- long touted as protecting against cancer, heart disease and other health problems - don't live any longer, new research shows.

    Worse yet, there is actually evidence that they die younger than people who don't take vitamins. There can be a 5% increase in death rate.

    "Our findings contradict the findings of observational studies claiming that antioxidants improve health," said Goran Bjelakovic, a researcher at the Centre for Clinical Intervention Research at Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark.

    The research, published in today's Journal of the American Medical Association, should be of interest to the millions of consumers who regularly take vitamin supplements.

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    "The message is not that you will die if you take vitamins. The message is that large doses of antioxidants in supplements don't help," she said.

    Dr. Lonn also cautioned that these findings apply only to supplements containing high doses of antioxidants such as vitamins A, C, E and beta carotene.

    The findings do not apply to multivitamins, she said. There are also clear benefits to supplements such as vitamin D and folic acid for pregnant women.

    Others, however, said the findings should be dismissed outright because the methodology is so flawed.

    "People should absolutely not be changing their behaviour based on this study," said Aileen Burford Mason, an immunologist and founding partner of the Holistic Health Research Foundation of Canada.

    The new study is a meta-analysis, a compilation and reanalysis of published studies. In this case, researchers analyzed 68 studies involving 232,606 people. They found no significant effect on mortality linked to consumption of antioxidant supplements.

    But when they focused only on the highest-quality studies --where participants were randomly given real vitamins or placebos -- the research team actually found a higher risk of death among people taking vitamins: 16 per cent higher for those taking vitamin A; 7 per cent for beta carotene and; 4 per cent higher for vitamin E. While vitamin C has no negative impact, it did not increase longevity, either. Of all the antioxidants examined, only selenium was associated with a reduction in mortality.

    The actual cause of death in most studies was unknown and studies where there were no deaths were excluded. Critics of this kind of research have long complained that it focuses on people in ill health who are taking vitamin supplements, which makes the findings misleading for the general public.

    Dr. Burford Mason said the increases in mortality "are so very slight that no one can draw conclusions." But of greater concern, she said, is that the studies in the meta-analysis featured a broad range of doses, duration and vitamins.

    For example, the studies ranged in duration from 28 days to 12 years, the doses of vitamins ranged from 10 to 10,000 international units (IU) daily and no attention was paid to supplement quality.

    "They're not comparing apples and oranges, they're comparing apples, eggs and elephants," Dr. Burford Mason said.

    Antioxidants such as beta carotene and vitamins A, C and E are believed to protect the body from harmful byproducts called free radicals, atoms or groups of atoms that form in such a way as to cause cell damage. The free radicals damage DNA and are thought to play a role in everything from aging to cancer.

    In the new paper, the research team did not pinpoint the biochemical mechanism that may increase the risk of death, but they speculated that perhaps "by eliminating free radicals from our organism, we interfere with some essential defensive mechanism."

    According to a survey conducted for the Canadian Health Food Association, about 35 per cent of Canadians regularly take a daily multivitamin and 23 per cent take single vitamins daily.

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  2. darude

    darude New Member

  3. kbak

    kbak Member

    According to Bill Sardi the health journalist this is all baloney! Big Pharma would rather see you on drugs, not supplements.

  4. roge

    roge Member

    I am not even sure if it is worth even expending my limited energy on this, what a JOKE of a so called study.

    and someone here said dont exceed RDA, please. Maybe 60 years ago when there were actual nutrients in food as opposed to today.

    I am still laughing at this. Geez I wonder if Big Pharma had any influence here.

  5. darude

    darude New Member

    There were several studies done by different groups and they all came to the same conclusion.
  6. darude

    darude New Member

    Death by vitamins
    Thursday, 1 March 2007Agençe France-Presse

    Certain vitamins have no health benefits and actually increase the risk of death, say Danish researchers.
    Image: iStockphoto
    WASHINGTON: Taking vitamins A, E and other antioxidant supplements may increase the risk of death and carries no clear health benefits as claimed by vitamin makers.

    In a blow to the healthy image often associated with dietary supplements, a wide-ranging Danish-led review of 47 clinical trials, involving 180,938 patients, concluded that vitamins A, E and beta carotene are in fact linked to a rise of five per cent in the risk of mortality.

    The findings, based on electronic databases and bibliographies, were published in today's edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    "Beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E given singly or combined with other antioxidant supplements significantly increase mortality," wrote the authors, led by Goran Bjelakovic of the Centre for Clinical Intervention Research at Copenhagen University Hospital. "Our findings contradict the findings of observational studies, claiming that antioxodiants improve health."

    The study also found that there was no evidence vitamin C may increase longevity and added: "We lack evidence to refute a potential negative effect of vitamin C on survival."

    With an estimated 10 to 20 per cent of the adult population in North America and Europe - 80 to 160 million people - taking antioxidant supplements, "the public health consequences may be substantial," the authors wrote.

    The U.S. market for antioxidant supplements was estimated at more than five billion dollars (A$6.3 billion) in 2006. The authors deplored the intense marketing that touts the alleged health benefits of antioxidant supplements and offered possible explanations as to why the products can have a negative effect.

    "By eliminating free radicals from our [body], we interfere with some essential defensive mechanisms," read the study. The antioxidant supplements are synthetic and not subject to the same toxicity studies as other pharmaceutical agents.

    "Better understanding of mechanisms and actions of antioxidants in relation to a potential disease is needed," the researchers concluded.

    The makers of vitamins and other dietary supplements are not required to register their products with the U.S. government's Food and Drug Administration that regulates medicine and food products, but the FDA can order the withdrawal of products on the market that are found to pose a risk to public health.

  7. cct

    cct Member

    Our local health care news & review specialist, and practicing physcian, Dr. Dave Hnida, just reviewed this article on the 5:00 news.

    He said that the article is a compilation of previously published articles. Dr. Dave said that this compilation includes publications that were based on very bad science and that the previously published articles had no common factors other than they included some reference to vitamins.

    The previous articles did not account for other contributing factors such as smoking, exercise, diet, existing diseases, etc.

    Dr. Dave Hnida plans to keep on taking his vitamins.

    So do I.
  8. forfink

    forfink New Member

    This is all crazy stuff.

    Just like the silly story I heard on Paul Harvey (radio), some guy was 100 and something and attributed his long life with having no sex!
    I think some of these warnings are out to drive all of us to the funny farm! Anyone agree???
  9. woofmom

    woofmom New Member

    If beta carotene was dangerous, my dog would have died a few years ago. He eats about 2 pounds a week. It's a bunch of bull. You'll never see unbiased reports on aspartame, MSG, fluoride, ingredients in fragrances, etc. get heavily reported. NEVER!!!!!!!!! All these studies do is find a way to waste OTHER peoples money.
  10. darude

    darude New Member

    I find it interesting tho!!!!! All I can say is every time I take any vitamins or supplements I get very sick but that is just me. Before I knew what i had I was taking stuff to boost my immune system and at that time no autoimmune. Then six months later had developed ANA. Coincidence maybe??????
  11. darude

    darude New Member

    Cellular effects

    Antioxidants mop up free radicals (byproducts of cellular metabolism which destroy sensitive structures like cell membranes and DNA). But the researchers suggest that removing free radicals could somehow interfere with other important cell processes like apoptosis (where cells grow old and self destruct to avoid becoming cancerous) or phagocytosis (where white blood cells gobble up bacteria).

    Previous studies have shown there's a risk to health only when a person consumes large amounts of vitamin. It's known for instance that in large amounts, over longer periods of time, fat-soluble vitamins – including vitamins A, D, E and K – can accumulate in the liver and cause toxicity.

    But these studies were of people who took very modest doses. The researchers say this is a very serious situation, given that 10-20 per cent of the population of Western counties regularly take them. And while the increased risk to an individual is fairly small, when it's applied to millions of people, the number of increased deaths is large.

    As you’d expect, the vitamin industry has denounced the findings, arguing the review is flawed, without being too specific about why. The deaths could be due to factors other than the vitamins, they suggest.

    But the researchers argue the problem could be actually worse than these findings suggest. That’s because there are a great many studies done on vitamins that are never published. Most vitamin studies are funded by vitamin manufacturers who tend not to publish if there are adverse findings – the researchers didn't include any unpublished studies in their review.

    Try food instead

    So it's a good reason to leave the pills and capsules sitting on the supermarket shelf. Go to the fresh food and dairy sections instead – there's beta carotene in yellow, red, and deep green vegetables; vitamin A in cheese, eggs, oily fish, milk, and yoghurt; and vitamin E in soya, corn, olive oil and nuts.

    Tastier, cheaper and they won't kill you.

  12. kjfms

    kjfms Member

    Thank you so much for posting this article. I think it is very interesting.

    I do not think it is saying anything bad about vitamins although some are acting as though it is an attack I feel it isn't if one actually reads the article....

    as stated in the article --

    "The message is not that you will die if you take vitamins. The message is that large doses of antioxidants in supplements don't help," she said.

    Now I ask what is so bad about that? Anyone know taking mega doses is not good unless of course you are under the care of a physician.

    Come on we all know it is better to get most of our nutrients from the food we eat -- right?

    Too much of anything is not good that is just common sense.

    If one actually reads the article it states no one can draw conclusions due to the increase in mortality being so slight.

    Furthermore I think some are reacting more to the title of the article than the actual article.

    The actual is not that bad and as I stated above certainly not an attack on the supplement industry as some seem to be taking it.

    I do have one question though -- why does no one ever talk about the billions and billions of dollars the supplement industry makes each.

    Why is so "bad" for the pharmaceutical industry to make money and yet perfectly fine for the thousands of supplement industry to make billions and no one bats an eye.

    Can some please explain that to me?


    Karen :)
  13. darude

    darude New Member

    I totally agree with you!!! The title is a bit alarming but that is what they wrote. Yes the supplement industry IS making billions and most of what we take ends up in the toilet!!!!!!!!!! If we could just get some healthy food.
  14. kjfms

    kjfms Member

    Thank you :)

    Oh I know it seem like they [news papers or whomever] like that shock value don't they?

    I hope you are feel OK. Yes good food if we could find it...

    Take care,

    Karen :)
  15. darude

    darude New Member

    Good luck with our OP. Will be thinking of you!!! How is wake these days????
  16. kjfms

    kjfms Member

    Thanks I really appreciate that. I think she has been having a lot of sinus problems.

    Have you gotten you teeth pulled yet? Has you surgery been scheduled?

    I am so glad you are pulling for me I go for my preadmission testing tomorrow.

    Take care,

    Karen :)
  17. darude

    darude New Member

    I went for pre admission for teeth and they said No because I have an infection!! So have to wait again!!!
  18. kjfms

    kjfms Member

    Oh sorry bet you are so tired of waiting. Well I off to bed have a good night. I hope you get rid of that infection soon.

    Talk to you soon,

    Karen :)
  19. jaltair

    jaltair New Member

    I can't take vitamins they always have made me nauseated, guess that's okay now (ha ha!). When I fill my husbands cassette, I put in a lot of vits as he's convinced they benefit him. The article didn't change his mind at all.

    When I read the article from the JAMA, my impression was that the study only demonstrated that the vitamins didn't really help that much as the body has a harder time absorbing correctly - food nutrients are natural for our bodies to absorb vs vitamins ... the information regarding deaths couldn't be explained scientifically in the study to suit the scientfic community. I just believe that there is toxicity in everything if it's too much.

    The only thing explained was the fact, as we all know, eating our needed nutrients through balanced diet is the best way to get all the vitamins and minerals we need. Back to the juicer for me!

    And, as my grandma use to say, "GROW WHAT YOU CAN AN EAT WHAT YOU CAN ." .. "can" meaning just that, home canning or home food storage and of course gardening). Whole foods = healthy foods.
  20. Amethyst77

    Amethyst77 New Member

    What is the chance of, those 5 percent being the people that already have serious illnesses? obviously they would be the ones more prone to try and take care of their health.

    [This Message was Edited on 02/28/2007]

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